WP: 325,000 Names on Terrorism List

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/14/AR2006021402125.html

The National Counterterrorism Center maintains a central repository of 325,000 names of international terrorism suspects or people who allegedly aid them, a number that has more than quadrupled since the fall of 2003, according to counterterrorism officials.

The list kept by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) -- created in 2004 to be the primary U.S. terrorism intelligence agency -- contains a far greater number of international terrorism suspects and associated names in a single government database than has previously been disclosed. Because the same person may appear under different spellings or aliases, the true number of people is estimated to be more than 200,000, according to NCTC officials.

U.S. citizens make up "only a very, very small fraction" of that number, said an administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of his agency's policies. "The vast majority are non-U.S. persons and do not live in the U.S.," he added. An NCTC official refused to say how many on the list -- put together from reports supplied by the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency (NSA) and other agencies -- are U.S. citizens.

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Civil liberties advocates and privacy experts said they were troubled by the size of the NCTC database, and they said it further heightens their concerns that such government terrorism lists include the names of large numbers of innocent people. Timothy Sparapani, legislative counsel for privacy rights at the American Civil Liberties Union, called the numbers "shocking but, unfortunately, not surprising."

[rodeodance]

1. k and n.

[kestrel91316]

2. I betcha I'm on there. I am WAAAYYYYYYYY to vocal in my

utter contempt for the fascist fraud in the WH.

[lala_rawraw]

12. I have a strong feeling

that I am on that other list... the tap dance one. well not just a feeling, but someone mentioned to me with whom i work on things regularly that I should "watch my arse" because of a certain Hadley story I did a bit back... and of course there is that pesky house alarm that goes off when Byrne calls me... i kid you not, ask John Byrne if this is true:

"John, when you call Larisa, often do you get dropped and cannot call back, in the meantime, her house alarm goes off and you get a strange signal on the phone?"

but I asked the same person if this could mean anything and person said that federal "bugging" is not this bad and that, now get this, it sounds like local amatures... um, in Florida where the brother is gov, not much better.

but it is funny, ask John when you catch him next and he can tell you how odd this phone/house alarm thing is.

[dubya_dubya_III]

13. Get DSL or Cable and Vonage

if they are really this amateurish, that should set them back.

[lala_rawraw]

25. um, I have DSL:(

[Hekate]

3. How many are nuns and Quakers? Hmmmm?

What a crock.

Hekate

[Gemini Cat]

9. Don't forget 80 year olds, 3 year olds, and

certain senators!

[EFerrari]

10. Vegans. They swell the list.

:eyes:

[intheflow]

22. My first thought as well. n/t

[driver8]

4. 325,000?? This administration is a little paranoid, don't you think?

This shit gets more ridiculous every day.

[Posteritatis]

26. Out of 6.5 billion, it almost sounds reasonable (but...)

The question is who's on that list.

Al-Qaeda was probably a good 20-30K in 2001, depending on how broadly you define terrorists, and of course they're far from the only such group in the world. I can believe there's a couple hundred thousand people worldwide (the article says that 125,000 of those might well just be aliases) who I, personally, would consider part of one terrorist organization or another. Seriously, the figure itself, on its own, is probably reasonable; if I was asked to guess how many such folks there are, worldwide, I would land in the lower six-digit range.

The problem is, of course, that my impressions of who'd qualify and the administration's probably vary ever so slightly. I imagine there's a lot of people they miss, and I also imagine there's a lot of people who have no business being on that list. The latter are probably more numerous than the former, but that's what you get in a political culture where sedition once again exists as a concept.

What I'd really like to see is a breakdown of those 325,000 - how many are Americans? Canadians? Somalis (such as the country is)? Iranian? Me?

The number has no context, which only makes it a Big Scary Figure and not something in the realm of useful knowledge. As the sage Johnny 5 kept insisting, I need more input!

[IndianaGreen]

5. Good Gawd!

Osama bin Laden would wish very much to have that many Number 2s in Al-Qaeda. He is probably wondering where the hell they are!

[Wilms]

6. OK. That's 85,000 DU members. Who else?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

11. Well, the three guys at that other place and Vermont.

:rofl:

[daleo]

7. The list is being screened by the same people that screened the Florida

voting lists in 2000, or so it would seem.

[Nothing Without Hope]

8. Well don'g forget - Bush apparently considers "bloggers" terrorists. LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x420629
thread title (2-14-06 GD): Bush Tags Bloggers As Terrorists
Comment/excerpt: “Homeland Security completed its ‘Cyber Storm’ wargame to test how our government ‘would respond to devastating attacks over the Internet from anti-globalization activists, underground hackers and bloggers.’ Given that homeland security ran the ‘wargame,’ one may infer that the nature of the attacks by bloggers must be national security related. And, given that the major national security fear of our government is terrorists, then it looks like bloggers have made our government’s hit list of potential terrorists.”

[dubya_dubya_III]

14. Yup - Blogs will be the undoing of all their schemes!

The one thing Brzezinski didn't foresee in his 'major attack' planning scenario was the fact that the 'Technical and scientific momentum' he though would uncover endless Musim radicalism here to add to the fear factor, would find little or no such thing, but rather, it would completely prevent them from "influencing public behavior and keeping society under surveillence and control".

He couldn't envision a world where We all controlled Our Own media!

Surveillance sucks when you can't censor it, Poppy's Mighty Wurlitzer is out of nickels as the mass media are now dragged kicking and screaming to publish the truth or loose their audiences, regardless of their elite noble MI6-CIA Mafia patrons.

If you or I shot someone without a valid hunting permit I think we'd be calling a bail bondsman....

[Rainscents]

15. I bet, I'm on the list!

I'll know for sure when I fly this Aug.

[leftchick]

16. I wonder if they are all on the No Fly list?

hmmmm. I guess I will find out if I am next month.

[lakeguy]

17. VAST majority are not Americans huh?

what's that mean, 51% like Bush's mandate?

[IndianaGreen]

18. They don't consider California to be part of America

I wonder if they are planning to round up these people.

[sattahipdeep]

19. Online cigarette sales?

"U.S. citizens make up "only a very, very small fraction" of that number"....Horse Shite

Three online cigarette retailers recently sent to the Department of Revenue
the names of hundreds of people who bought untaxed cigarettes in April.

The three Internet sellers gave the names to the state under a federal law called the Jenkins Act.

estimates the state loses $7 million to $10 million a year in revenue to online cigarette sales.

http://www.no-smoking.org/may05/05-19-05-5.html

[leftyladyfrommo]

20. All the Catholic Worker House people - Communists you know

They are real and ever present danger for sure.

[cyberpj]

21. U.S. citizens make up "only a very, very small fraction" of that number

WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU!!!

[fshrink]

23. And climbing everyday.

That the gift that keeps on giving. The more you create, the more control you can impose on everybody. I hope to be still alive if/when the assholes who promoted and organized that will be held accountable. Don't think I will though.

[Stockholm]

24. Exactly how many are "only a very, very small fraction"?

These lists are completely worthless; Achmed a.k.a. Acchmed a.k.a. Achhmed a.k.a. Amched a.k.a and so on and TSA end up arresting a four year old.

These databases should not have been put into place if someone only had done their cost/benefit analysis properly.

It is a blessing organisations like ACLU exist.

[AnneD]

27. Everything old is new again....

I didn't make Nixon's enemies list...but I bet I make this one. I told friends 2 yrs ago that Hubby and I were being tailed and everyone thought I was nuts, and here we are.