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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:33 PM
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Raw Story: Senator Byrd to call for special commission to investigate
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 03:35 PM by understandinglife
Senator Byrd to call for special commission to investigate wiretaps

Senator Byrd is set to deliver a scathing indictment of the President’s secret wiretapping operation and will call for a special commission to investigate, RAW STORY has learned. The speech will be delivered at 4pm ET. More soon.

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"... We cannot continue to claim that we are a nation of laws and not of men if our laws and, indeed, even the Constitution of the United States itself, may by summarily breached because of some determination of expediency or because the President says “trust me.”



More at the link:

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Senator_Byrd_to_call_for_special_0215.html



Peace.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:34 PM
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1. This is how Nixon's downfall began. nt
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:36 PM
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4. Exactly.
Peace.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:25 PM
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42. don' t u go gettin my hopes up!!! lol
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 06:25 PM by themartyred
I was within minutes of SHRUB today in Ohio, and feel dirty from just being NEAR him, to have him impeached would cleanse me!
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:35 PM
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2. THANK GOD
finally action, true action
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:35 PM
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3. Go, Harry!! And about that Alito thingie?
All is forgiven.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:12 PM
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39. It is NOT forgiven! About his Alito vote? Two words... Franklin Cover-up.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:36 PM
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5. Who cares? Byrd has joined ol' sorry-ass Zell Miller
in the hall of shame as far as I'm concerned. His unforgivable vote for Scalito has put the final nail in his long-overdue coffin.
:puke:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:38 PM
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6. Byrd's just trying to atone for Scalito
but I'm glad he's making the effort. I'll be interested to see how others respond (especially Repugs on the Judiciary Committee like Graham, DeWine and Specter who, when we last saw them, were expressing serious doubts about the legality of this program). If they've suddenly "reconsidered," it's time to yell "FLIP FLOP" and point to KKKarl's arm-twisting.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:38 PM
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7. cool n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:42 PM
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8. Thanks for the link, UL!
Peace.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:45 PM
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9. And then Sammy struck him down.
Too late, Byrd.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:45 PM
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10. Sen Byrd: "I plead with the American public to tune-in to what is ...
... happening in this country. Please forget the political party with which you may usually be associated, and, instead, think about the right of due process, the presumption of innocence, and the right to a private life. Forget the now tired political spin that, if one does not support warrant-less spying, then one may be a bosom buddy of Osama Bin Laden.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Senator_Byrd_to_call_for_special_0215.html


Should be quite a speech for those who can watch it on C-SPAN.


Peace.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:48 PM
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11. At 1pm PST?
Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:52 PM
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13. Yes!
And, I'm headed into a meeting ....


Peace.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:13 PM
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22. It's looking like 1:15, on C-Span 2.
:hi:
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:53 PM
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14. So it will follow this Katrina Response?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:50 PM
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12. Sorry Bob, day late, dollar short. You're dead to me now. -eom
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:04 PM
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15. Colbert fan? eom
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:07 PM
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17. I am a huge Colbert fan!
:evilgrin:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:12 PM
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21. Steven Colbert says the nastiest scathing remarks
I don't think anyone could do satire on RW'ers any better. I get genuine belly laughs watching. Amazing that CC could pull off two fake news shows.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:17 PM
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26. He is so "in character" I wonder if his interviewees get offended.
I love when he does the "know your individual district" thing - hilarious!

"The Word" is one of the funniest things I have seen on TV.

I figure that all the political guests know this is a put on, but he is so good that sometimes I wonder if the outside, regular folks get that this is a send up.

It is so funny!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:38 PM
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Cobert used to do a segment called "Interviews...I could get"
on the Daily Show during the 2004 election season. He used all those same absurd techniques. He got Al Sharpton on and prodded him...
Steven: Admit it, You just like sticking it to "the Man"
Al: What man are you talking about? I am not...
Steven: Well then admit it.
...or something like that..
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:05 PM
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16. I'm...not finding it. Anybody?
I'm Mountain time zone...

Katrina on CSpan, Feingold rocking and rolling on Cspan 2.

??
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:20 PM
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28. Here is the speech


Senator Byrd on Wednesday called for a special independent commission to investigate possible violations of intelligence law and the Constitution by the Bush Administration. Senator Byrd’s remarks are below.

In June of 2004, 10 peace activists outside of Haliburton, Inc., in Houston gathered to protest the company’s war profiteering. They wore paper hats and were handing out peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches, calling attention to Haliburton’s reported overcharging on a food contract for American troops in Iraq.

Unbeknownst to them, they were being watched. U.S. Army personnel at the top-secret Counterintelligence Field Activity or CIFA, saw the protest as a potential threat to national security.

CIFA was created 3 years ago by the Defense Department. Its official role is “force-protection”, that is, tracking threats and terrorist plots against military installations and personnel inside the United States. In 2003, then Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz authorized a fact-gathering operation code-named TALON, which stands for Threat and Local Observation Notice, that would collect “raw information” about “suspicious incidents” and feed it to CIFA.

In the case of the peanut butter demonstration, the Army wrote a report on the activity and stored it in its files. Newsweek magazine has reported that some TALON reports may have contained information on U.S. citizens that has been retained in Pentagon files. A senior Pentagon official has admitted that the names of these U.S. citizens could number in the thousands.

Is this where we are heading in the land of the free? Are secret government programs that spy on American citizens proliferating? The question is not, “Is Big Brother watching?” It is “How many Big Brothers have we?”

Ever since the New York Times revealed that President George W. Bush has personally authorized surveillance of American citizens without obtaining a warrant, I have become increasingly concerned about dangers to the people’s liberty. I believe that both current law and the Constitution may have been violated - - not once, but many times - - and in ways that the Congress and the people may never know because of this White House and its penchant for control and secrecy.

We cannot continue to claim that we are a nation of laws and not of men if our laws and, indeed, even the Constitution of the United States itself, may be summarily breached because of some determination of expediency or because the President says “trust me.”

The Fourth Amendment reads clearly, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

The Congress has already granted the Executive Branch rather extraordinary authority with changes in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that allow the government 72 hours after surveillance has begun to apply for a warrant. If this surveillance program is what the President says it is, a program to eavesdrop upon known terrorists in other countries who are conversing with Americans, then there should be no difficulty in obtaining a warrant within 72 hours. One might be tempted to suspect that the real reason that the President authorized warrantless surveillance is because there is no need to have to bother with the inconveniences of probable cause. Without probable cause as a condition of spying on American citizens, the National Security Agency could and can, under this President’s direction, spy on anyone and for any reason. We have only the President’s word, his “trust me”, to protect the privacy of the law-abiding citizens of this country. And one must be especially wary of an Administration that seems to feel that what it judges to be a good end, always justifies any means. It is, in fact, not only illegal under our system, but morally reprehensible to spy on citizens without probable cause of wrongdoing. When such practices are sanctioned by our own President, what is the message we are sending to other countries which the United States is trying to convince to adopt our system? It must be painfully obvious to them that a President, who can spy at will on any citizen, is very unlike the model of democracy that the Administration is trying to sell abroad.

In the name of “fighting terror” are we to sacrifice every freedom to a President’s demand? How far are we to go? Can a President order warrantless house-by-house searches of a neighborhood, where he suspects a terrorist may be hiding? Can he impose new restrictions on what can be printed, broadcast, or even uttered privately, because of some perceived threat to national security? Laughable thoughts? I think not. For this Administration has so traumatized the people of this nation - - and many in the Congress - - that some will swallow whole whatever rubbish that is spewed from this White House, as long as it is in some tenuous way connected to the so-called war on terror.

And the phrase, “war on terror,” while catchy, certainly is a misnomer. Terror is a tactic used by all manner of violent organizations to achieve their goals. It has been around since time began, and will likely be with us on the last day of planet Earth. We were attacked by Bin Laden and by his organization Al Qaeda. If anything, what we are engaged in should, more properly, be called, a war on the Al Qaeda network. But, that is too limiting for an Administration that loves power as much as this one. A war on the Al Qaeda network might conceivably be over some day. A war on the Al Qaeda network might have achievable, measurable objectives, and it would be less able to be used as a rationale for almost any government action. It would be harder to periodically traumatize the U.S. public, thereby justifying a reason for stamping secret on far too many government programs and activities. Why hasn’t Congress been thoroughly briefed on the President’s secret eavesdropping program, or on other secret domestic monitoring programs run by the Pentagon or other government entities? Is it because keeping official secrets prevents annoying Congressional oversight? Revealing this program in its entirety to too many members of Congress could certainly have unmasked its probable illegality at a much earlier date, and may have allowed members of Congress to pry information out of the White House that the Senate Judiciary Committee could not pry out of Attorney General Gonzales, who seems genuinely confused about whom he works for -- the public or his old boss, the President.

Attorney General Gonzales refused to divulge whether or not purely domestic communications have also been caught up in this warrantless surveillance, and he refused to assure the Senate Judiciary Committee and the American public that the Administration has not deliberately tapped Americans’ telephone calls and computers or searched their homes without warrants. Nor would he reveal whether even a single arrest has resulted from the program.

And what about the First Amendment? What about the chilling effect that warrantless eavesdropping is already having on those law-abiding American citizens who may not support the war in Iraq, or who may simply communicate with friends or relatives overseas? Eventually, the feeling that no conversation is private will cause perfectly innocent people to think carefully before they candidly express opinions or even say something in jest.

Already we have heard suggestions that Freedom of the Press should be subject to new restrictions. And who among us can feel comfortable knowing that the National Security Agency has been operating with an expansive view of its role since 2001, forwarding wholesale information from foreign intelligence communication intercepts involving American citizens, including the names of individuals to the FBI, in a departure from past practices, and tapping some of the country’s main telecommunications arteries in order to trace and analyze information.

The Administration could have come to Congress to address any too cumbersome aspects of the FISA law in the revised Patriot Act which the Administration proposed, but they did not, probably because they wished the completely unfettered power to do whatever they pleased, the laws and the Constitution be damned.

I plead with the American public to tune-in to what is happening in this country. Please forget the political party with which you may usually be associated, and, instead, think about the right of due process, the presumption of innocence, and the right to a private life. Forget the now tired political spin that, if one does not support warrantless spying, then one may be less than patriotic.

Focus on what’s happening to truth in this country and then read President Bush’s statement to a Buffalo, New York audience on April 24, 2004:

“Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires - - a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so.” That statement is false and the President knew it was false when he made it because he had authorized the government to wiretap without a court order shortly after the 2001 attacks.

This President, in my judgement, may have broken the law, and most certainly has violated the spirit of the Constitution and the public trust.

Yet, I hear strange comments coming from some members of Congress to the effect that well, if the President has broken the law, let’s just change the law. That is tantamount to saying that whatever the President does is legal, and the last time we heard that claim was from the White House of Richard M. Nixon. Congress must rise to the occasion here and demand answers to the serious questions surrounding warrantless spying. And Congress must stop being spooked by false charges that unless it goes along in blind obedience with every outrageous violation of the separation of powers, it is soft on terrorism. Perhaps we can take courage from The American Bar Association which on Monday, February 13, denounced President Bush’s warrantless surveillance, and expressed the view that he had exceeded his Constitutional powers.

There is a need for a thorough investigation of all of our domestic spying programs. We have to know what is being done, by whom, and to whom. We need to know if the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act has been breached, and if the Constitutional rights of thousands of Americans have been violated without cause. The question is, can the Congress, under control of the President’s political party conduct the type of thorough, far-ranging investigation which is necessary? It is absolutely essential that Congress try, because it is vital to at least attempt the proper restoration of the checks and balances. Unfortunately, in a congressional election year, the effort will most likely be seriously hampered by politics. In fact, today’s Washington Post reports that an all-out White House lobbying campaign has dramatically slowed the Congressional probe of NSA spying and may kill it. I believe that a special non-partisan commission to investigate possible violations of U.S. intelligence law and the Constitution should also be appointed to wring the details and scope of the government’s eavesdropping on American citizens out of recalcitrant Administration officials.

I want to know how many Americans have been spied upon. I want to know how it is determined which individuals are monitored and who makes such determinations. I want to know if the telecommunications industry is involved in a massive screening of the domestic telephone calls of ordinary Americans. I want to know if the United States Post Office is involved. I want to know, and the American people deserve to know, if the law has been broken and the Constitution has been breached.

Historian Lord Acton once observed that, “Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity.”

The culture of secrecy which has deepened since the attacks on September 11 has presented this nation with an awful dilemma. In order to protect this open society are we to believe that measures must be taken that in insidious and unconstitutional ways close it down? I believe that the answer must be an emphatic “no.”

********************

BTW, RawStory's news story is nothing more than a PR email sent out by the Byrd staff... Sad they didn't do any real journalism.

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:08 PM
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18. Feingold yielded to Byrd
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 04:13 PM by suffragette
c-span 2

edited for typo
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:09 PM
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19. Warner trying to make Byrd start later
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:12 PM
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20. okay, that's on CSpan 2. Got it, thanks.
Leahy will be done by 4:15, Byrd to go following that, and speak for 15-20 minutes.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:14 PM
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23. I hope it will be soon
otherwise, I'll miss it. At least I can rely on DU'ers to report it so I can catch up if that's the case.
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:15 PM
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24. Good grief,,,
who dressed Byrd today??

Three shades of red. eep
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:16 PM
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25. Here we go
Byrd's up!
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:18 PM
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27. Question is not, "Is big brother watching?"
The question is, "how many big brothers are there?"
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:22 PM
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29. His 'Trust Me' ... one must be wary...
...morally reprehensible to spy on citizens without Probable Cause. and he says this president doesn't want to be bothered to get the warrant.
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Wheezy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:25 PM
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30. see post 28 for the speech. I'm not going to bother with this anymore
sheesh, the things I do for you people.

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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:38 PM
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31. I caught the last five minutes or so . . .
He left out one rather significant passage, "I believe that a special non-partisan commission to investigate possible violations of U.S. intelligence law and the Constitution should also be appointed to wring the details and scope of the government’s eavesdropping on American citizens out of recalcitrant Administration officials".

Was that intentional? Is he getting pressure from person or persons unknown to back off? Or is he going to give the honor of calling for the commission to another Senator with a more critical election campaign?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:22 PM
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32. Good catch. We'll find out soon enough, I guess.
Welcome to DU!

Peace.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:23 PM
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:27 PM
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34. Kick!
Something good is coming. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it.

:)
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:31 PM
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35. I am shocked at the condemnation of Byrd because he voted
on one thing that you disagree with. He obviously made a bad choice as far as we are concerned, but that does not mean he should be stabbed in the heart. I remember when Robert Byrd stood alone for the anti-war voters. He stood alone even though he was called vicious names by the Bushistas.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:34 PM
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36. "one thing" - not just any old vote
He knew exactly what he was doing and what the lasting implication of installing this Fascist stooge on the supreme court would be. I'll never, ever forgive him and his self-righteous "never toe the party line" bullshit. May he rot in hell forever.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:14 PM
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40. He made a VERY wrong choice on a very IMPORTANT thing
Fuck him.

Ask him if his Alito vote had anything to do with the Franklin cover-up.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:29 PM
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44. Ian - Do you have a link linking Byrd to The Franklin Coverup?
I wasn't able to get the Conspiracy of Silence vids to play so I don't know which Congressmen were implicated. Is that where Sen. Byrd's name came up in relation to the horrific child exploitation and murder by Bush Senior and Larry King (not the talk show host).

I no longer trust Byrd. All his fine speeches have turned to ashes. Alito was not just unforgivable but we will be suffering for a very long time unless the courageous prosecutors are able to bring down the Bush Regime...It doesn't look like they will get any help from Congress with the exception of Rep. Maurice Hinchey and the 40 Congressmen who signed his letter to Fitzgerald asking him to help the Congress investigate the forged Niger documents and other impeachable offenses, Sen. Conyers and the Black Caucus and Sen. Feingold...outraged that no one in the Senate is standing with Feingold's filibuster against the "Patriot" Act, not even Kennedy or Boxer.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:11 PM
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45. It wouldn't be much of a "cover-up" if we knew everyone involved
I can't prove it, but I can say it.

You don't need proof if you use the right inflection.

I never actually said he was involved.

All I did was ask rhetorical questions.

Learn from the Republicans.

Soon, Fox News will be working for our side after enough of them are in jail.

Yes, Hillary Clinton will make a very fine Unitary Executive.



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:34 PM
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37. And, given Byrd's position on Alito, he may have more credibility
than some others.

:shrug:
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 05:47 PM
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38. I heard him on CSpan. He was dead on. Shaky, but steadfast.
A true patriot. Called the pres illegal and covering up illegalities many times. Said B*** was skipping the FISA court because he was simply spying on americans who dissent from his agenda and didn't want to be stopped.

He was calling them out. Great speech. Needed to be said. Now, we'll see who follows in suit.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:15 PM
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41. we need an independant counsel investigation
this wiretapping goes to the soul of freedom of speech...
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:26 PM
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43. Meaningless Gesture unless Independent Counsel is Reinstated.
The Repukes are not going to allow any sort of truthful special counsel investigation. After 2006 (assuming Dem control of House/Senate is obtained), the first action should be reinstitution of the Independent Counsel statute with FULL POWERS to force testimony under penality of law.

JB
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:22 PM
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46. You got it. That Ind Counsel will be one busy man or woman.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:47 PM
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47. Rawstory has requested a lock
incorrect information.
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