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Roon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:38 PM
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Greenland's glaciers losing ice at faster rate
ST. LOUIS - Satellite observations indicate that Greenland's glaciers have been dumping ice into the Atlantic Ocean at a rate that's doubled over the past five years, researchers reported here on Thursday. The findings add yet another factor to the long-running debate over the effect of climate change on the world's ice sheets and sea levels.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11385475/


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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:46 PM
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1. Ain't life grand? When can we start Drilling?
Don't forget to DU the Poll!
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Texacrat Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:45 AM
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15. Will drilling in the Arctic "directly" exacerbate the melting ice caps?
Sorry, I'm clueless about science ... :)
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:50 PM
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17. no.
there are no ice caps where they want to drill...
the stuff in greenland is up to 2 km thick.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:48 PM
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2. What the hell is ice doing in Greenland anyway?
What's wrong with you people? Even if global warming were true, what's so bad about it? Don't you want the whole planet to look like Miami?
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:49 PM
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23. when Greenland's ice is gone, Miami will look A LOT different.
with an additional 21 feet in ocean levels- ALL of Florida is going look a lot different.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:10 PM
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24. So what? We'll expand Sea World.
Huge ocean platform. Welcome to Sea World!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:59 AM
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27. no...GEORGIA will expand Sea World.
Florida will have to depend on the underwater hotel industry- but at least they won't have tio worry about oil platforms 100 miles off their coast- because they won't have a coast.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:56 PM
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29. We'll just relocate Miami to Georgia.
They'll like us. We're clean......most of the time.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:21 PM
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31. just because savannah rhymes with little havana-
doesn't mean that them good ol' boys is gonna like that idea.
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:02 PM
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32. I don't know.
If all the hispanics and haitians relocate to Georgia, the good ol' boys might find themselves outnumbered.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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3. Greenland glaciers melting faster
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 12:22 AM by lovuian
http://english.pravda.ru/news/science/17-02-2006/76052-greenland-0

Greenland's glaciers are dumping twice as much ice into the Atlantic Ocean now as five years ago because glaciers are moving and melting more quickly, researchers said on Thursday.




This could mean oceans will rise even faster than forecast, and rising surface air temperatures appear to be to blame, the researchers report in Friday's issue of the journal Science.

"This change, combined with increased melting, suggests that existing estimates of future sea level rise are too low," Julian Dowdeswell of the Scott Polar Research Institute at Britain's Cambridge University wrote in a commentary.

"At 1.7 million square km (656,000 square miles), up to 3 km (nearly two miles) thick and a little smaller than Mexico, the Greenland Ice Sheet would raise global sea level by about 7 meters (22 feet) if it melted completely."


more...

Maybe its me but there seems to be something more going on with our climate than just fossil fuel burning... theres some major shifting going on could it be a polar shift...
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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4. just listening to BBC with the same report.
should be on their website, too...
The speakers are talking about increased frequency of flooding...perhaps the need to abandon cities such as New Orleans and London...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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5. I said they'd melt faster than anybody supposed...
wish I had been wrong.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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6. Oh yes... And "polar shift" is horsefeathers.
Doesn't happen.

Magnetic field reversals do happen, but don't change climate much when they do.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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7. Thanks Ben I was just wondering but up North it seems like
its really getting warmer... I guess as the Ice Melts humidity happens...
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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8. Exactly.
Expect weather like you have never seen.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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9. Thermohaline circulation....
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 01:30 AM by Bigmack
I don't remember whether the Greenland glaciers melting would alter the thermohaline circulation.... the Gulf Stream.

Global warming would be a walk in the park compared to the hits Europe and the NE US would take if the Gulf Stream changes direction or fails.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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10. Yes. They will stop it dead.
All that cold fresh water pouring into the north atlantic will have a disastrous effect.
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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12. I read an article on this a while back..got the link from this site too
didn't save the link, sorry..but it was a fascinating and very scary read
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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14. Global warming is more accurately called climate change
The warming will soon cause a deep freeze due to the shutdown of the Gulf Stream. Global warming will never be a "walk in the park" because of it's disastrous consequences. Super-storms,droughts. crop and forest failures, and well as a surge in insect populations and disease-are all on the near horizon.
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Texacrat Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:46 AM
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16. Inasmuch as people bash the movie "The Day After Tomorrow" ...
I think it has some merit.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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11. Notes to self ....
1) Move to center of country, not near any large bodies of water.

2) Buy canoe.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:57 PM
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20. the great lakes are about 500 ft. above sea level...
don't worry about them.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:46 PM
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33. Come to the Midwest
I personally believe we're in the beginning of a major drought... but if you can get by without water and don't mind a little dust, you'll like it here!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:18 AM
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13. Dupe
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:53 PM
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34. Well, that's what the Mayans predicted, no?
Someday I'll grasp the concept of the Precession of the equinoxes!
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:59 PM
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18. the ice doesn't have to melt to raise the sea levels-
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 12:59 PM by QuestionAll
it just has to make off the land, and into the water- once a piece of glacier becomes a floating iceberg, it has added it's volume to the ocean's total.

and the way the glaciers are melting- the ice on top melts, and then gravity pulls the water down, and under the glacier, acting as a lubricant between the surface of the land, and the mass of ice above.

on ABC news the other night, they said that the movement of the glacier was visible to the eye- something like 140 meters per day towards the sea.
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Boxturtle Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:53 PM
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19. Also, the ocean level will rise if the average ocean temperature
increases (thermal expansion).
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:01 PM
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21. It's not the sea level that concerns me--it's the salinity.
Bye-bye, gulfstream. :scared:
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:47 PM
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22. Add the fact that Mr. Kilimangaro will not having any ice left.....
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 03:48 PM by Lochloosa
I believe the coming (here?)climate change is not going to be reversible.

And we thought Katrina was bad.



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:56 PM
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25. I saw a distance pic to this effect also (50 year difference)
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:28 AM
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28. I was just wondering about Kilimanjaro, if it still has any Ice left...
...this year? That pictures 6 years old! I think it was NPR today that said there is a Mountain in Peru that the glacier has completely melted now.

We have a thread about the disappearance of the Ogallala Aquifer, Lake Chad, and the Aral Sea at this link:

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x444471#446052>



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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:59 PM
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26. Damn librul media focusing on the negative...
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 08:00 PM by Thor_MN
Think positive!! Most ports won't have to dredge their channels anymore.
:sarcasm:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:11 PM
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30. The Pub spin is that GW is cyclic and its not caused by MAN
BS and Denial all in one...

Even when faced with facts they reject/distract/and prevaricate...shameless and Ignorant
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:57 PM
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35. Be that as it may, MAN will nevertheless SUFFER.
I will take comfort in the fact that Cheney's MD home will be under water.

As Dubya says, "Apres moi, le deluge!"
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