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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:07 AM
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Leading House Republican questions Bush's push for democracy
Posted on Thu, Feb. 16, 2006
Leading House Republican questions Bush's push for democracy
BY WARREN P. STROBEL
Posted on Fri, Feb. 17, 2006

Democracy push called riskyGlobal promotion could backfire, congressman says
By WARREN P. STROBEL
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON — A leading House Republican warned Thursday that President Bush’s promotion of democracy worldwide could backfire, producing chaos rather than stability.

“There is no evidence that we or anyone can guide from afar revolutions we have set in motion,” said Rep. Henry Hyde of Illinois, chairman of the House International Relations Committee.

Rather than a quick fix to America’s problems overseas, pushing democracy in places that have no history of it “may, in fact, constitute an uncontrollable experiment with an outcome akin to that faced by the Sorcerer’s Apprentice,” Hyde said.

His remarks at a hearing with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice reflected a growing unease on Capitol Hill over the direction of U.S. foreign policy after January’s Palestinian parliamentary elections, won by the radical Islamic group Hamas.
(snip/...)

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/news/politics/13891919.htm



Henry Hyde and Grover Norquist!



Henry Hyde and youthful indescretion.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:11 AM
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1. Give that man an award.
And the winner of the 2006 "Stating the Fucking Obvious" award goes to...
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:17 AM
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2. That Picture Makes Me Want To Kick Grover In The Mouth
Hyde is a worthless ole shitdustbag...but Grover really makes me violent...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:37 AM
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3. gee ya think?
:eyes:
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:10 AM
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4. This piece of garbage only made this so-called demockracy....
an issue after these alleged WMD turned out to be just that, alleged.

Of course it's all BS.

--President Asshole’s promotion of democracy worldwide--
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:13 AM
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11. Promotion of alleged democracy world wide . They do not mean "real"
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 09:14 AM by mom cat
democracy ... only access to markets. Isn't it interesting that this statement comes one day after the attempted subversion of the vote fraud attempt in Haiti was foiled.

Hyde really meant: Maybe we shouldn't try to encourage democracies... the damned things might work and then what the hell do you do! :sarcasm:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:15 AM
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5. Ok Henry, you get a star for that one!
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:37 AM
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6. Oh, and one other thing.
Rice did not respond directly but cited democratic advances in places as varied as Liberia, Haiti, Lebanon and Kyrgyzstan.

Quick - name four countries the United States hasn't invaded.

(Yes, I know, Haiti is debatable. So is the idea that Haiti has anything positive to show for the US intervention.)
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:45 AM
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7. OF COURSE the GOP balks at the thought of democracy
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 06:46 AM by stevebreeze
It would be a bad example. If we have it elsewhere in the world people might start demanding a real democracy in the US.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:34 AM
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8. Rove will get him back on message n/t
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:50 AM
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9. Unless Hyde is ready
to come forth with articles of impeachment and hold George W. Bush to the same standard he held President Clinton in regard to the RULE OF LAW, he needs to just SHUT THE F__k UP. :puke:
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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:22 AM
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10. Recent elections that put anti-us people in power
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 08:33 AM by tecelote
Iran
Iraq
Palestine
Lebanon
Chile
Bolivia

In the next couple of years...

Mexico?
Costa Rica?
Columbia?
Ecuador?
Venezuela?
South Korea?
Egypt?

Bush's "popularity" is an oxymoron.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:54 AM
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14. i think you put venezuela in the wrong pile, there
maybe hugo is not anti-american, but he sure is anti-*, and he sure was elected.
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tecelote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:02 AM
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15. Yeah, I think that is true in many cases.
A lot of people like America but think that Bushco is taking us in the wrong direction.

A lot of Americans as well.

I wish we could impeach the whole administration and take our country back. Anyone making under $200k that supports Bushco is simply uninformed or unwilling to be informed.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:23 AM
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12. I like his Sorcerer’s Apprentice analogy...
...I guess that would mean George Bush is Mickey Mouse.

I'd have to agree with that - I'm often saying this current administration is a Mickey Mouse operation!
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:04 AM
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16. Top notch analogy!
It's been years since I have heard a politician make a really fitting and literate analogy like that.

That means, of course, that only about 15 Americans will understand it.

"What?......Sore-ass apprentice?......is that from that Trump show er somethin'?"
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:24 AM
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13. voting's great as long as the results are what you want eh.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:06 AM
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17. maybe the democrats could push for democracy in th USA?
like introduce a party and nationwide reform program for paper ballots and clean elections?
elimination of e vote fraud, corrupt voting machines, all that stuff?

While there are some democrats calling for such reform it is not a forceful and party wide, top to
bottom and concerted effort that ALL democrats can and will promote.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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Conker Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:20 PM
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18. Yeah, but no conservatives or GOP moderates would listen.
A reform effort would only place them out of power.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:15 PM
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21. We're already out of power.
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 01:15 PM by RandomKoolzip
The republicans are supposedly the "party of ideas" lately, because they think and act in grand, sweeping gestures. Maybe if WE proposed some grand, sweeping gestures that the American people can get behind (who LIKES corruption? Who thinks voter fraud is a GOOD idea) we can find some traction.

Not that our Dem leaders will listen to us, of course...:eyes:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:24 PM
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19. give that man the "better late than never obvious", award. nt
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lxwen85 Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:39 PM
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20. Bush better look after his own US for democracy first
Other nations do have their own cultures and social circumstances different from that of US. Why does the US have to force its own value on others?
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