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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:21 AM
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Bird flu could hit Florida first
International contacts make the state a prime entry point if a pandemic begins, a state summit warns. The advice? Get ready now.

By LETITIA STEIN
Published February 17, 2006

TALLAHASSEE - Gov. Jeb Bush expects Florida to be among the first bird flu cases if a pandemic spreads to the United States.

In a visit to Florida, Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt warned Thursday that bird flu could reach the nation within 30 days - once it starts passing widely from person to person.

Bush predicts Florida would get the first wave.

"We have lots of international air travel. We have cruise ships. We have interaction with the rest of the world the likes of which is quite unique," Bush said. "This is a really high priority for us, maybe more than other states."

Those grim observations kicked off a state summit on a pandemic outbreak. Leading national experts confessed that we can't know exactly what will happen - or when. But the world is overdue for a contagious heath disaster, whether it's bird flu or some other new strain. An outbreak as serious as the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic would sicken 90-million and kill 2-million nationally.

The only thing to do: Get ready.
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/17/State/Bird_flu_could_hit_Fl.shtml
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:25 AM
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1. Solution
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 07:25 AM by Domitan
Castrate America by cutting off Florida and letting it drift away on its own. {insert tongue-in-cheek for the literal folks here}
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:33 AM
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3. Bits of an old song by Eric Burden and the Animals
keeps playing over and over in my head

We gotta get out of this place
If it's the last thing we ever do
We gotta get out of this place
Cause girl, there's a better life for me and you


Let me know before you cut it loose, so some of us can jump off first.
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:33 AM
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4. And put DHS and Chertoff (Skelator) in charge of the whole thing.
Yeah, that's the ticket. We'll repeat Katrina nation wide. :sarcasm:
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:48 AM
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8. What a good idea!
They'd do a heck of a job.

next song in queue:

It's the end of the world as we know it,
and I feel fine.

--

Also thinking about when they sent jeb to comfort Thailand after the tsunami.

The comedy was provided by the visiting governor of Florida, Jeb Bush, who might reasonably have expected at least a celebrity's welcome, if not a hero's. But even though he is the brother of the most powerful man of earth and came bearing news of a $350m (£186m) US contribution to the $2.5bn international relief effort, nobody seemed to know who he was.

"Who are you?" asked one slightly bemused Australian consular official as the large-girthed US stranger pumped his hand.

"I'm Jeb Bush."

"Oh, are you a relative of the president?" said the interlocuter, jokingly.

"Yes I am. I am his little brother."

"Oh," came the reply. "Good for you."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tsunami/story/0,,1383549,00.html
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:47 AM
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7. That would make us our own country and we would no longer
have * as president! No more taxes for war! And Jeb is just about done and will go on to bigger choices in the upper 50! I like that.
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gator_in_Ontario Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:47 AM
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37. LOL
Bugs Bunny already tried that!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:32 AM
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2. Terror! Terror! Terror!
As a form of aversion therapy, it seems to be working--I avoid BushCo like the plague!
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:39 AM
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5. shopping list
rolls of plastic
duck tape
hand sanitizer
face masks
new government

have I forgotten anything?
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RawMaterials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:20 AM
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13. Priceless
n/m
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:45 AM
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6. It's "here" (in Germany)
and I was sneezing the day the news came out. My husband and I both looked at each other and laughed -cause we were both thinking the same thing - "ut oh! off to the quarantine camp with you!"

I'm more afraid of the reaction to bird flu than I am of bird flu. Know what I mean?
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 07:59 AM
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9. Yes. and I'm not quite sure whose reaction
frightens me more, the government's or the people's.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:02 AM
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10. Both for me
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 08:03 AM by Solly Mack
what's the quote again? Individuals will do the smart thing - but "people"(a mob riled up by hysteria) can be dangerous
...and so can governments - especially those on a power grab
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Nomen Tuum Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:03 AM
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11. Look for 40 million plus uninsured to get sick first
Now that will be OK for Jeb and his idiot brother, but it MAY cause problems for Wal Mart...
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:10 AM
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12. Being first should be good for...
at least $50 billion for Florida's coffers, even if not one person is infected. Those brothers take care of each other...gotta be prepared, you know?
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:38 AM
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18. $$
Here's an article and a chart on Phase 1 Allocations

This funding is part of $350 million included in the recent emergency appropriation for combating pandemic influenza passed by Congress in December. These initial grants will be awarded to all 50 states, 7 territories, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia. Each state will receive a minimum of $500,000, with additional allocation of funds by population. In addition to the state grants, funds are being awarded to New York City, Chicago and Los Angeles County. The remaining $250 million from the appropriation will be awarded later this year in accord with guidance that will require progress and performance.
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2006pres/20060112.html#chart

note: Don't know how to post the chart.

found through
http://pandemicflu.gov/

Sorry for the delayed post, Frustratedlady. Got sidetracked by needing to attend to my own allocations to the power and phone companies. Love your screen name, by the way.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:38 AM
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24. You said.....
"Got sidetracked by needing to attend to my own allocations to the power and phone companies."

For that, you need a check and a quart of blood. Our poor mailman tiptoes to the mailboxes on the day the utility bills arrive. x(
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RawMaterials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:21 AM
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14. So now they are telling us in advance
when they are going to do some terror.
:tinfoilhat:
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ReaderSushi Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 08:44 AM
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15. Florida first?
Because of travel to and from "unique" destinations? I would've assumed the avian flu would come a nation with a history of the disease and with a large population of poultry in close and unsanitary quarters. Seems like southeast asia would be the most likely culprit and the Pacific coast the first place it would hit.

Florida would be a nasty place if through, such a large population of elders with compromised immune systems. Scary world this Earth has become.
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SpecialK Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:04 AM
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17. Yeah,i mean wouldn't places like NYC, Seattle, or LA be first? n/t
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:01 AM
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16. Oh that is just great
So when should I get rid of my chickens?? I'm down to 14. Busy fox weekend.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:53 AM
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19. Oh, TG.
:(

I don't have any answers. I don't know enough about this to even wager a guess.

As a case in point that I know nothing - Does this affect all of our avian friends? We have a blue and gold macaw. His leftovers go into a tray out back attracting birds passing through and some very sassy squirrels. Do I need to be more concerned for my family because of this?

There's only so much a person can worry about, you know? I passed the breaking point a long time ago.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:06 AM
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21. It's hard
and yet I can buy Jeb's point because disease grows very well down here.

As far as your personal pet, I would quarantine it from the out of doors, for sure.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:12 PM
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27. Don't get rid of them
I keep mine in an enclosed coop. If they don't have exposure to wild birds they should be fine.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:35 PM
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30. Well, mine free range within a limit during the day
and coop at night, but we have all kinds of birds flying around there..hawks, eagles, owls, and all the songbirds, quail..you name it. Maybe I'll get my husband to build a run and put tin on the top. I would think that would stop any crossover interaction. I'm afraid they would die of the heat inside the coop all day.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:45 PM
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34. I have a large coop
Sides are 1/2 in wire and we staple gunned green shade cloth around three sides. Lets in lots of air and keeps the worst of the sun out. I am in Florida too so I keep a close eye on them and this seems to work well
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:01 AM
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20. And when he turns out to be right...
Are we supposed to believe they didn't plant it?
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:15 AM
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22. Yes, it could hit Florida first, or it could hit LA first, and I could
win the lottery next week.

Jeez louise--this is news?
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:47 AM
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25. pssst, raccoon. over here.
shhh. very quietly, pm me the numbers. I could use some of that lottery money.

To everyone else: Apologies for going off topic. Pretend this post isn't even here.

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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:27 AM
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23. Toronto is vulnerable
Torontonians, weakened by Sars,
would be devastaed by bird flu

resident killer bees, will only make things worse
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:55 AM
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26. no worries. You have 'Canada Calm'
Troops rehearse for disaster
Dec. 5, 2005. 01:00 AM
BETSY POWELL
CRIME REPORTER

A series of truck bombs have knocked out the city's power, destroyed a terminal at Pearson airport, an office tower on Bay St. and much of St. Michael's Hospital.

In the docklands, on a large vacant lot on Commissioners St., an ugly scenario has developed as a rock-throwing mob — though the projectiles look like orange hockey pucks — storm a medical station behind coils of barbed wire set up by Canadian soldiers.

While a former mayor infamously called in the army when the city was blanketed with snow, Canadian Forces' disaster response rehearsals today tend to include terrorist threats and potential violence, which explains the imaginary scenario that unfolded yesterday.

The exercise, which involved army reservists along with Toronto police, firefighters and paramedics, signals the military's transition into something it calls "Canada Calm ... the ability not only to perform our duties overseas on international operations, but to look internally and focus on the defence of Canada so we can come in the time of need to the aid of local civilian authorities to augment them, to support them, in a time of crisis," explained Col. Gary Stafford, commander of the 32 Canadian Brigade Group.

It played out yesterday as the "mob" — actually reservists with the domestic response unit — chanting "give us the drugs" descended on the site near Leslie St. and confronted dozens of camouflage-wearing soldiers stationed by makeshift medical and warming stations. After an initial faceoff, with some pushing and shoving, the order was given to back away.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1133736611875

Frightening scenario.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:13 PM
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28. Jeb & Co have been POUNDING this over the past couple of weeks.
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 01:20 PM by seafan
Pardon my cynicism, but this tremendous flu-panic push will benefit wonderfully a certain group of people. It ain't you and me.

Here are just a few snips from our newspapers over the past week:




Jeb: Get ready for flu

TALLAHASSEE — Florida health officials are prepared to see as many as 3.2 million residents stricken in an influenza pandemic, killing as many as 20,000.

State emergency response plans for an “inevitable” pandemic flu pose a grim scene that includes shortages in hospital beds and morgue space and expected shortages in anti-viral medication to at least treat it.

The scenario, Gov. Jeb Bush said earlier this month after a drill, would be “devastating” to Florida as schools close, tourism slumps, and even going out for groceries becomes problematic.



State conference addresses threat of flu pandemic

Early on in an outbreak, state options would include voluntary isolation, quarantines, travel restrictions and school and work closures. In the plan, health officials advocate frequent hand-washing, staying home if one feels ill and avoiding public gatherings.

Though a Health Department advisory board states there is ''no scientific evidence to suggest that self isolation is a highly effective way of reducing disease incidence,'' it is ''one of the few disease control strategies'' Florida will have at its disposal.

So does this mean that we will be forced out of our homes and into shelters, forced to submit to medical exams, invasive treatment, and involuntary vaccination because this *advisory board* thinks staying home is *not* a good option? Who protects our homes and property then? *This won't be as easy as these people think*.



Flu worries not being ignored

Health officials are ordering Tamiflu, the anti-influenza drug, but demand far outstrips supply.

snip

Johnny Preston, dean of students at Stewart Elementary, worries that too much attention will spread unnecessary fear among his students. But he also worries how a poor county like Gadsden, where district officials scramble for more education dollars every year, could weather an outbreak.

"It's hard right now to get kids in to see a dentist," he said.


But, but, but, the Chimp sat in that classroom on 9-11 for 30 more minutes because HE didn't want to frighten the children! Jeb, what is wrong with you??




Florida prepares for flu pandemic

Gov. Jeb Bush told 700 health-care, government and law-enforcement workers and others...//..Florida is especially vulnerable to a pandemic because of the high number of tourists who come here from throughout the world,...

snip

Speakers focused on such issues as and the challenges facing schools and private businesses. They offered few solutions, saying many details must be handled at the local level.

Moreover, no one should expect the federal government to ride in on a white horse and save the day, they said. By their very nature, pandemics affect multiple regions of the world simultaneously, making it necessary for each community to look after its own.

"The reality is that local preparation is the foundation" of the response to a deadly flu outbreak, said Michael Leavitt, U.S. secretary of Health and Human Services. "Any community that fails to prepare with the that somehow, in the end, the federal government will be able to rescue them will be tragically wrong."

snip

Avian influenza, or bird flu, is carried by birds and remains mostly a threat to animals. But at least 169 people have become infected with the virus as well. It is extremely deadly, killing half of the people who fall sick. But bird flu has not reached pandemic status because the illness cannot be passed readily from person to person.


Let's see, 169 people worldwide have become infected, about 85 have died and the other 6 billion have been lucky?


Officials warn Florida to plan for pandemic

State and federal officials who met in Tallahassee on Thursday said they were planning for a probable influenza pandemic and warned that local communities and individuals should prepare by stockpiling food and water.
U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt said that during a global pandemic, the federal government would have few resources to spare, and states, counties and communities, as well as families and businesses, would largely be on their own.
''Any community that fails to prepare with the premise that the federal government will rescue them will be tragically wrong,'' Leavitt said during the pandemic flu summit with Gov. Jeb Bush and other officials.


Federal officials repeatedly referred to projections that an outbreak would sideline 40 percent of Americans, shutting down workplaces and schools and hobbling the economy. Florida is counting on cooperation from its business community and residents in preparing for what health officials told some 700 people attending Thursday's summit is a ''probable'' pandemic.
The current threat is avian flu, which so far has killed 91 people since 2003, mostly in Asia. The virus is alarmingly similar in attack to the Spanish flu, which swept the world in 1918 and killed some 500,000 U.S. residents, said U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Julie Gerberding.

snip

In the event of a pandemic, the federal government, through the CDC and Leavitt's agency, would control distribution of vaccines, including setting priority lists. A planning agreement Bush signed with Leavitt also agrees Florida will allow federal oversight of how it intends to distribute anti-viral medications such as Tamiflu.
In return, the federal government promised to help Florida get more of the drug.
State health department officials said Florida has told Swiss producer Roche it would buy $33.8 million of Tamiflu, enough to treat 1.8 million residents, and rely on the federal government to provide doses to treat another 2.8 million Floridians.
Federal officials painted a grim picture of the national crisis that could occur during an outbreak. Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Alfonso Martinez-Fonts said federal estimates predict a 2 to 6 percent drop in the gross national product, and deliveries of food, gasoline and even chlorine to treat public water supplies would be uncertain.
Much of the state's job would be to keep Florida functioning, helping hospitals, power companies and businesses. As is his message in contending with hurricanes, Florida Emergency Director Craig Fugate said it is important to educate the population to take care of itself, freeing resources for those who cannot.
''The public will have to take responsibility for managing their own illness,'' he said.

snip

In the meantime, the federal government is trying to make the U.S. a fertile market for drug manufacturers, to convince them it is worth creating production capacity to produce 300 million doses on short notice. That means convincing more Americans to take seasonal flu shots.
''It tells manufacturers there will be a market for their vaccine'' every year, Gerberding said. //snip//
Among the disaster drills Florida will soon conduct, she said, ''is the pandemic pandemonium,'' an exercise in the chaos and panic that potentially would travel alongside avian flu.
A wrinkle peculiar to Florida and other Gulf Coast states is the probability residents will also have to contend with hurricanes at the same time influenza is crippling the region. It isn't something Bush, who has led Florida through recovery from eight hurricanes in two years, wanted to entertain.

''Boy, don't even ask,'' he said, then adding he could see significant challenges, such as asking residents to shelter in community centers at the same time they are fearful of exposing themselves to influenza.


Bingo!, Jeb!





A point of interest: this Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director (CDC) Dr. Julie Gerberding is the same expert who is telling parents that their concerns about the links between mercury in childhood vaccinations and the occurrence of autism... are unfounded.


No Vaccine-Autism Link, Parents Are Told

New York Times July 20, 2005

By GARDINER HARRIS

Top officials from three of the nation's premier public health agencies held an unusual news conference on Tuesday to say that childhood vaccines are life-saving medicines with no proven link to autism.
''The science says very clearly that vaccines save lives and protect our children,'' said one of the officials, Dr. Julie L. Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

snip

Representative Dave Weldon, a Florida Republican who champions the notion that thimerosal has caused an explosion of autism cases around the world, attended the news conference and, after it ended, gave his own press briefing criticizing the public health officials.
''It seemed that this was an effort to assuage public concerns, but I think parents are much smarter than some people give them credit for,'' said Mr. Weldon, who was a practicing physician before his election to the House in 1994.

Thimerosal was largely removed from all childhood vaccines in 2001. Flu shots were an exception, and Mr. Weldon has sponsored legislation to ban preservative levels of thimerosal from them as well.

snip

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/bgrh/vpost?id=736302&trail=15#1



The take-home message (for me, at least..):

1. Bird flu has affected 169 people since 2003 and has killed 91 of them.
May they rest in peace.

2. Bird flu has missed 6 billion other people, who continue to work and raise their families every day.

3. Pharmaceutical companies want to make Tamiflu. Lots and lots of Tamiflu.

4. Donald Rumsfeld has a stake in Tamiflu production.

5. A very large number of retired people live in Florida. They are not confused by *'s Medicare scam. They are not confused by *'s Social Security scam. They are not confused by voting. They are not confused about why they vote for certain constitutional amendments. They are mad as hell about being targeted for ripoffs by their government. They will not accept this orchestrated flu fear-fest currently in full swing. They want answers.

6. Flu vaccines apparently still contain mercury compounds. Oh, but small amounts are still contained in infant vaccines too. A Florida Republican and many others are fighting to change this.


7. In the event of a natural disaster or true epidemic, with our existing government, we are all on our own.



That is, until we drag these criminals and war profiteers our of our government and imprison them.







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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:36 PM
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33. Thank you for the links, seafan.
I wasn't aware there was so much buzz going on in FL over this.

and I think you have a good handle on it, especially #7. We've all seen what's happened in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.

>7. In the event of a natural disaster or true epidemic, with our existing government, we are all on our own.<

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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:31 PM
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29. * is doing nothing to protect us from this...
This is his version of ethnic clensing.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:01 PM
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31. Where does he get that idea....
Texas has many more international flights AND we are on the migratory route and a wintering ground for many species. He needs to let the dogs sniff the luggage from South America and stop doing it himself.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 05:04 PM
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32. 'Bush predicts Florida would get the first wave.'
how does he know this? does he have a crystal ball or something??
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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:35 PM
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35. Potential victims include:
Mel Martinez ( a WH lapdog)
Katherine (Cruella) Harris
Jeb
Millions of former red state idiots who migrated here and helped to ruin this state.
Me (oh well, I'll take one for "my country")
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:50 AM
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36. Levitt
is traveling the country having bird flu symposiums with the health professionals of each state. He was just here. He is putting out the message to the states that if it goes pandemic we will get little to no help from the federal government.
Here is the link to the fl symposium.
http://www.doh.state.fl.us/disease_ctrl/epi/conf/training/PanFluSummit.htm
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