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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:54 AM
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Iraq Warned Over Creating Sectarian Govt
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. ambassador to Iraq warned Iraqi politicians Monday they risk a loss of American support if they do not establish a genuine national unity government, saying the United States will not invest its resources in institutions run by sectarians.

Meanwhile, bombs killed at least 14 people in Mosul and Baghdad. Two of the bombings were suicide attacks, police said. Two Macedonian contractors were freed by kidnappers four days after they were abducted in Basra, a British official said without giving further details.

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad delivered his blunt warning during a rare press conference after signs that talks on a new government following the December elections were not going well because of sharp differences among the country's Shiite, Sunni Arab and Kurdish political parties.

Failure to establish a unity government that includes a strong role for Sunni Arabs would fail to undermine the Sunni-dominated insurgency and throw into question U.S. plans for a phased withdrawal of the 138,000 American troops here.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060220/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_

looks like the US doesn't like the democracy it created in Iraq.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:57 AM
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1. I don't think that they give a damn whether we like the government
they set up or not. "Let Freedom Reign" and all that crap.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:00 AM
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2. I Think Iraq Would Love To "Lose American Support"
Because then they might be able to get their country back, with electricity, oil fields, peace in the streets, etc.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:22 AM
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3. Is this an 'out' for us?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:21 PM
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12. "throw into question U.S. plans for a phased withdrawal "
Just the opposite. The assbassador is threatening that we will never leave until they start doing exactly what we tell them to do.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:24 AM
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4. The Shia majority won the elections and like Hamas, wants power
One cannot speak of democracy on one hand and then decry democratic results when they don't go the way one expected.

The reason the US was a republic is that the minority was always protected from a dictatorship of the minority. We were never a democracy as such! BTW, we are no longer a republic but an authoritarian theocracy.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:20 PM
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15. The Shia don't have a majority
they have 128 seats out of 275. Presumably, they'll unite with the 53 Kurds to form a government. Just setting the record straight.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:05 AM
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5. Irony is dead.
... "we are not going to invest the resources of the American people and build forces that are run by people who are sectarian."


P.S. Gawd chose Prezdent Bush.

:eyes:


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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:28 AM
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6. Do we "Hate them for their Freedom"?
:shrug: We must have the say in all world affairs. We be Boss....
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:45 AM
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7. Spend $300 billion and 2300 lives to invade and occupy and then dump it?
Yeah...that makes a helluva lot of fvcking sense!!



:banghead:
:banghead:
:banghead:
:banghead:

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:22 PM
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16. In Feb 2003 Me and about 50 more here
Said this would happen

(waxes opulently in the spot light)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:17 AM
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8. Whooooa, nilly. The asses that created Faith Based initiatives and
erased the separation of Church and State in the USA are upset that a religious groups threatens an open and fair democracy? at the very time that NC GOP is demanding fundie church lists in order to get them to vote GOP? At the same time that funding for domestic programs is shit-canned and religious groups (of a fundie background only) get money to operate programs without supervision?

And they have the balls to tell the Iraqis what to do to create a democratic, non-sectarian govt?

It is true. I can imagine that admin might hate what it created in Palestine, Pakistan, Iraq.
It will only get worse. There is more to leadership and responsibility than imagining that their way is the only way, that by simply wishing that something occur, it will, and then try to order the reactions to fit like a Saville tailor. On every major policy decision, these asses have blown it. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:42 AM
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23. why shouldn't the Iraqi's enjoy
a religious based government - that's what we have

and if they ignore the "warnings" are we going to invade again? oops first we would have to pull out and then go back in....
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:22 AM
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9. but we got our 14 permanent bases, so all is good...
:sarcasm:
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:33 AM
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10. Finally an exit strategy...
Peace with honor.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:56 AM
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11. Well, I couldn't help noticing this phrase:
"The U.S. will not invest its resources in institutions run by sectarians".

So if Iraq is run by sectarians, does that mean we'll leave?

What the hell does he mean here, 'invest its resources'? I just read that Bush will not seek more reconstuction funds for Iraq. I clicked on the article. Sure enough, they are not going to do any more reconstruction in Iraq.

They're just full of bull, pure and simple. Kim Jong Il is more believable than these clowns.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:08 PM
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13. U.S. ambassador? Why haven't we installed a U.S. viceroy?
The Bush Regime is a'slackin.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:09 PM
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14. We should not be investing money in Iraq anymore, anyway
Jaeffari should call his bluff.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:49 PM
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17. reparations
not exactly an investment, but after this mess is over we are going to owe the Iraqis a whole lot of reparations for what we have done to them.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:54 PM
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18. Once we've rebuilt New Orleans and undermined poverty in our country
then you can talk to me about sending money to Iraq.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:59 PM
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19. I disagree.
Sorry about our own self inflcited messes, but we went over there and wrecked their country and killed lots of their people. That is a crime, a war crime, and it needs to be dealt with first.

Just my opinion.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 08:05 PM
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20. That is the same argument I hear from the White House
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 08:07 PM by Charlie Brown
We've got to cut entitlement programs like student loans and Meicaid to send the money to Iraq and Afghanistan (they say). It gets worse and worse with each new budget.

I did not want to go into either country, but the programs I support here at home are continually mined for funds to "reconstruct" Iraq, even though the most recent study on the reconstruction effort revealed more corruption and shortcomings than can be imagined.

Let's worry about our own people, for once, and stop sticking our fingers in other parts of the World.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 08:20 PM
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21. Reparations are not 'reconstruction'.
I'm sorry that you don't see the difference. Consider it a fine we pay to the injured parties. Blood money. We don't get to say squat about how it is spent.

"We've got to cut entitlement programs like student loans and Meicaid to send the money to Iraq and Afghanistan (they say). "

They are liars.

Besides, Iraq isn't the only reason why they cut the shit out of everything else, it is just the current most convenient excuse. Restoring the assinine tax cuts would go a long way towards stabilizing the federal budget. Their ideology demands that they wreck every good government program. They just won't tell you that is what they are doing.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 02:31 AM
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22. hollow threats. complete and utter crap.
well, other than the fact they've already given up on any pretence at 'reconstruction', they've built some new huuuuuge military bases in iraq to watch over the oil fields.
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