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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:02 PM
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AP Adviser Says White House Set on Ports Deal (will NOT do review)
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 08:03 PM by rodeodance


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ports_security&printer=1;_ylt=Ah.4hw1X9hlul80oyoQ6T84Gw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Adviser Says White House Set on Ports Deal

By DONNA DE LA CRUZ, Associated Press Writer 17 minutes ago

The Bush administration said Friday it won't reconsider its approval for a United Arab Emirates company to take over significant operations at six U.S. ports. The former head of the Sept. 11 commission said the deal "never should have happened."

Opponents, including the agency that runs New York and New Jersey ports, took their case to court, while the company, Dubai Ports World, stepped up efforts to change the minds of congressional critics.

The president's national security adviser said the White House would keep trying to persuade lawmakers — there's more time since the company offered to delay its takeover — but the administration wouldn't reconsider its approval.

"There are questions raised in the Congress, and what this delay allows is for those questions to be addressed on the Hill," Stephen Hadley said. "There's nothing to reopen."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:04 PM
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1. during delay period WH will ONLY be " trying to persuade lawmakers"
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:43 PM
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31. VIDEO of Hadley
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:05 PM
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2. Oh, it's gonna be good when this deal falls apart ...
"Nothing to reopen," eh? Their hubris is overwhelming and I am going to be SOOOOO happy to see them choke on their own words.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:05 PM
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3. Hadley said. "There's nothing to reopen."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:09 PM
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7. Snow made a comment--we failed to recognize the public reaction.



.....The Bush administration continued to defend the deal Friday even as it admitted mishandling the decision-making process.

"If there was a failure, we failed to recognize there might be a public reaction," Treasury Secretary John Snow told reporters in Richmond, Va. "Over time, we may recommend improvements in the process so Congress is better informed about transactions."

Tony Fratto, Treasury's top spokesman, said this would not necessarily involve changing the current law, which prohibits the review committee from briefing members of Congress before a decision is reached.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:09 PM
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8. cnn showing domonstrations around US related to ports.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:10 PM
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9. "what s sad deal Bush is"--says one Miami teamster protester.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:11 PM
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11. good shots of all the protests around the nation. SC. Seattle, NY, NJ
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:11 PM
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13. and New Orleans.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:21 AM
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40. they failed to recognize that there might be
a public reaction?? they really did think that "we" were that stupid! the jig's up.
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:11 PM
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12. Interesting comment, huh?
If "there's nothing to reopen," doesn't that imply that no investigation was done? That's certainly what it means to ME...
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:05 PM
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4. Lying, rat bastards!
When will this madness end?

Peace.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:06 PM
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5. Just like the Cheney story. Americans don't want to hear anymore about
the port story. Rush, Hannity, rinse and repeat. Americans don't want to hear anymore about the port story.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:08 PM
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6. I give up.
What is it going to take?
A cancelled check from Carlyle Group to Osama?
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:11 PM
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10. This article says it's dead
if I'm reading correctly
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:12 PM
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14. The WH says the Deal is DONE and will not reopen any investigation.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:00 AM
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39. Too bad it is illegal to say what the best solution is! n/t
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 07:43 PM
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80. i think i'm having those same dark thoughts as you.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:14 PM
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15. There is so much double-talk with this deal
First Bush tells us we need to hate all Middle-Easterners, and that you're either with us or against us, and any association with a middle eastern country can get you labeled an "enemy combatant".

Then we're accused of hindering national security if we raise any objections to the UAE -- which has proven ties to 9/11 -- from buying six of our largest ports.

First Bush says he is so confident of this deal that he will veto any legislation that attempts to block it.

Then he says he knew nothing about it until last weekend.

First he says he will put the deal on pause for a few months in order for further investigation.

And now we learn that they're not going to reconsider the deal.


Now I'm surprised at all from all this double-speak, but I don't think I've ever seen it so blatant as it has been in the last week.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:16 PM
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18. Their fear-mongering is biting them in the ass
All they've done is talk "terra terra terra" since 9/11 and now they're reaping the "rewards" in the form of opposition and suspicion. You can't have it both ways, guys ...
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:15 PM
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16. Keep it up, Bush-and watch your base side away
I felt I could talk to anyone in this reddest of red towns today and get total agreement. All I had to say is, "What do you think of the ports deal---" and everyone filled in the blanks, with words from "stupid" to "crazy" to unprintable.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:50 AM
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37. Same here. A guy I talked to tonight
called * a POS and said he was sorry he ever voted for him.
Looks like the worm is turning.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:52 AM
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69. A little late for that sentiment...
Bush isn't running for political office in 2008. Might be why Boy George doesn't give a sh*t about public opinion on matters from torture to wiretaps to port security.

Going in to 2004 everything was orchestrated to give the appearance, through the cooperative MSM, that Bush could achieve 50% of the vote (so black box magic could do the rest). We needed the guy you mention and so many more to understand the truth back then, so the popular vote was closer to 33%-66% (for Kerry), making the election exceedingly difficult to steal.

The narrow oligarchy (the Halliburton-Carlyle-Becthel axis of death and destruction) will front a different candidate to serve as effective steward of their interests, perhaps even a Democrat. They will, our managers and magistrates jump, and we (they intend) are bludgeoned by propaganda and rubber bullets into silence. This time, though, they expect to have to take a more active hand to preserve their power, thus the Haliburton detention center deal.
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:15 PM
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17. 6 ports? Articles say it is 21 ports - east and gulf coasts but
nothing about the west coast.

What is wrong with our so-called representatives?
Opps, I forgot. They are out for themselves, not We, The People.

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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:19 PM
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20. I didn't catch that on the first pass, but you're right...
This article is claiming 6 ports still, but the 21 ports number has been out since late last night. I guess either someone forgot to brief Hadley, or the author (or editor) hasn't been paying attention.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:04 PM
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74. Link to 21 ports thread:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:18 PM
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19. Can we start impeachment proceedings now?
What are we waiting for?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:27 PM
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21. one of the conditions for the deal was that Bush not do anything to
stop the deal.

http://www.dailysentinel.com/money/content/shared-gen/ap/Finance_General/Ports_Security.html

Peninsular and Oriental and DP World set approval by the U.S. security committee as a condition for the sale. In regulatory papers, the companies said either the committee must agree not to formally investigate the purchase or Bush must not move to block the sale for national security purposes.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:36 PM
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22. I think this is being presented wrongly.
I remember hearing all about this stuff re: companies being bought by Chinese companies. The point being, there's no deal if the administration blocks the purchase. Paying for something you can't own because of governmental interference is kind of stupid, right? That's all it is. As for the committee part, it'd have to agree that there's nothing to investigate that's a national security concern except on the basis of simple xenophobic prejudice. Of course, that implies that there's judgment that should be trusted here.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:42 PM
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23. I think the key wording being "block for national security reasons"
is more than just speaking to government interference. It's sets a standard of non-interference - as Bush could block the sale for any reason if he so desired. But a block for national security reasons sends an entirely different message than being blocked for anything else.
My only point being - the language matters.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:37 PM
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76. No security concern? xenophobic prejudice? Our military disagrees.


Read This Thread

Seems as though al CIADA claims to have infiltrated UAE, and that's backed up by bunch of articles in the past.

And then read This BOOK

Facts tend to open eyes.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 08:48 PM
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24. DPW steps up efforts ? What does that mean ? Do they have access
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 08:48 PM by bluerum
to our polical system? Are they citizens of the US? How do they have any say whatsoever about this?

"
Dubai Ports World, stepped up efforts to change the minds of congressional critics.
"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 09:02 PM
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25. They are here-staying in the DAE embassy in DC--lobbying Congress
critters right now. They have been here most of week.

Any yes at the Embassy!
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:14 PM
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26. Probably floating lots of cash around too. eom
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Canuck55 Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:26 PM
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29. They'll offer some sort of "Truth Seeking Special"
That will include a free stay at Burb Al-Arab with some golf thrown in*.





*"Guaranteed not charged to Jack Abramoff's personal credit card!"
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:42 AM
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50. No more campaign contributions
Yes, I know that its illegal for a foreign company to give campaign contributions, since when has that stopped these crooks.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:18 PM
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27. But..but..Turdblossom says we dems want to offer counseling to
the terrorists and hold hands with them and sing kumbayi. Who's offering counseling now?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:22 PM
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28. Its now up to Congress to see where they stand on security of
the country "actions speak louder than words"

lets see what their actions are???
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:47 PM
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32. Sen. Clinton said she would introduce leg. next Tues for 45 day review--
so it will be interesting to see if WH has 'educated' her fellow congresscritters.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:50 PM
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77. They will prove once again that their FIRST "loyalty" is to their PARTY.
The rest of the country be damned - again.

And WE (as in democrats) will lose another one.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:35 PM
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30. Letter from George W. Bush to the citizens of the
United States of America:

Dear citizens,
Fuck you.
George W. Bush
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:57 AM
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38. !!!! !!!!!!!! !!!!!--- LOL ------ good one !!!! ------n/t
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:26 AM
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41. you've seen the pix of georgie flipping us off
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 02:27 AM by shanti
right? he's not hiding his disdain. by his words and deeds you shall know him.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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51. Oh yeah, and that pic was taken years ago, I think, maybe when he
running for Congress. You'd hope that someone like that would "grow-up" and hold people in higher regard, but it isn't in him to do that. He was raised to be an elitist, and no amount of "getting Jesus" is going to change that in him. It is reflected when he says shit like, "Just because you're poor doesn't mean you're a murderer."
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #51
70. True. And he knows that the poor can't to murder anywhere NEAR his levels.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:46 PM
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79. That about says it
Maybe we'll be able to get a veto override. Then, maybe, he'll have to give in. An American company like Halliburton could be just as lazy, but the point is Bush's hypocrisy.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 12:42 AM
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33. AP--Bush Admin. Won't Reconsider Ports Deal


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060225/ap_on_go_pr_wh/ports_security;_ylt=AnWbNFvw0zzd.1yzt7n0Kcis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

Bush Admin. Won't Reconsider Ports Deal

By DONNA DE LA CRUZ, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 2 minutes ago


......Sen. Pete Domenici (news, bio, voting record), R-N.M., said much of the criticism has an anti-Arab bias.

"We are at war against terrorists, not any religion or ethnicity. Some politicians seem to have forgotten that. ... Such alarm, verging almost on hysteria, harms our efforts to have the broadest coalition possible against worldwide terrorism," Domenici said.

House GOP leaders plan to meet Tuesday to decide whether they will still support immediate legislation to hold up the sale.

Rep. Thomas Reynolds (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., a member of the leadership, said he is "beginning to get what I want, which is to slow down this process so we can take a look at it." ......

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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:31 AM
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34. With Bush secretly spying on everyone....
I'm sure he'll whip our trusty Congressmen into shape by Tuesday. :eyes:
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:36 AM
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35. To my way of thinking,
THE democrats in both house of congress need to force this vote as early as possible and force the republican hands on this matter. I would work as hard as I could to get over 320 votes in the House and 85 plus in the Senate. This will send a message to monkeyinamanssuit that he can veto all he wants but this will tell him, we have the votes to over-ride your veto...
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:43 AM
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36. Delay for PR push! Maybe the UAE will buy us all a new car!!!
Then we'd be sure to approve of the sale!!
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:36 AM
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42. Bush Admin. Won't Reconsider Ports Deal
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Friday it won't reconsider its approval for a United Arab Emirates company to take over significant operations at six U.S. ports. The former head of the Sept. 11 commission said the deal "never should have happened."
ADVERTISEMENT

Opponents, including the agency that runs New York and New Jersey ports, took their case to court, while the company, Dubai Ports World, stepped up efforts to change the minds of congressional critics.

The president's national security adviser said the White House would keep trying to persuade lawmakers — there's more time since the company offered to delay its takeover — but the administration wouldn't reconsider its approval.

"There are questions raised in the Congress, and what this delay allows is for those questions to be addressed on the Hill,"
Stephen Hadley said. "There's nothing to reopen."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060225/ap_on_go_pr_wh/ports_security
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:36 AM
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43. Why am I not surprised Bush is "Staying the course"
He is a dictator its obvious...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:36 AM
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44. "Hey, if we can't get this through, we can't have another 9/11."
Oh, wait. Did I say that aloud?
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:37 AM
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45. Fine. Never disturb your enemy when he's committing suicide. . .
so I'll just talk this up quietly among those I know who still waver in possible support of the Shrub. . .
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Starfury Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 07:49 AM
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48. LAT: Bush Boosts Efforts to Quell Port Outcry
More quotes about Republican dissatisfaction over the port scandal:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ports25feb25,0,5040878.story?coll=la-home-nation

"The idea that we're just going to hold off until we all quiet down is not satisfactory," Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) said, adding that he wanted administration officials to more fully explain the level of scrutiny they gave to the deal.

"I won't be OK until I find out what they actually did investigate," Foley said.

Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said that additional briefings by White House officials on the transaction and the administration's approval of it were unlikely to subdue congressional criticism.

In an interview on CNN, King said, "The more I learned about the deal and the more I learned about the process , the more concerned I became, because there's been no full investigation yet."

(...)

"Hundreds of … constituents have called to voice their opposition," said Preston Hartman, an aide to Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine).

King, in comments to The Times, said: "You should walk down the street in New York. I've never seen an issue where people are so angry…. The most angry response of all I'm getting is from Republicans."

Many lawmakers are angry at the administration's failure to consult them before the deal was approved.

"The way this has all been handled has really shaken my confidence" in the way the deal was vetted, Rep. Frank A. LoBiondo (R-N.J.) said.

A bipartisan group of senators plans to introduce legislation Monday that would require an extended review of the transaction and give Congress the authority to kill it.

King is sponsoring a similar bill in the House.


And yet....
Despite these proposals, Sen. John W. Warner (R-Va.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Friday that he believed Congress and the White House could avoid a confrontation over the deal.

The Dubai firm's decision to delay a takeover of the U.S. port operations was "an important step" in achieving that, he said in a statement.


They're really going to try shoving it through when they think everyone's distracted by some other crisis...
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:55 AM
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46. Good news! Keep on diggin', Bushie...
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 03:55 AM by Boo Boo
You're doin' a heck of a job.

:applause:
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 04:43 AM
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47. same bubble-head policy
"who cares what you think"

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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 08:11 AM
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49. Bush has declared himself DICTATOR
The will of Congress means nothing. The have been declared obsolete. The will of the American people means nothing. We exist only to do the bidding of the corporations.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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52. Bush Admin. Won't Reconsider Ports Deal
Feb 25, 2006

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Friday it won't reconsider its approval for a United Arab Emirates company to take over significant operations at six U.S. ports. The former head of the Sept. 11 commission said the deal "never should have happened."

Opponents, including the agency that runs New York and New Jersey ports, took their case to court, while the company, Dubai Ports World, stepped up efforts to change the minds of congressional critics.

The president's national security adviser said the White House would keep trying to persuade lawmakers — there's more time since the company offered to delay its takeover — but the administration wouldn't reconsider its approval.

"There are questions raised in the Congress, and what this delay allows is for those questions to be addressed on the Hill,"
Stephen Hadley said. "There's nothing to reopen."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060225/ap_on_go_pr_wh/ports_security;_ylt=A9FJqZUXaQBEkYcAmwms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--


Well there you have it folks. We can just all go fuck ourselves as far as BushCO is concerned.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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53. Stephen Hadley said. "There's nothing to reopen."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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54. Many think Jr is reviewing the port issue during this 'delay' time-but NOT
so, as he is only lobbying Congresscritters and 'educating' them.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:06 AM
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64. While simultaneoulsy
using the WH machine to keep stating "its been reviewed... security is assured" over and over again until the public responds like "no big deal." As they did successfully with the NSA spying story.

What strikes me as really interesting about all of this - is a level of hubris and a difference between the bush admin and other politicians. Since 911 folks (dems AND repubs) have been fearful of NOT looking strong - in the case of another terrorist attack; that is - if I don't vote for HLS and another 911 happens - it will look like it I helped it happen... OR in some cases a fear less of appearance (as in I will look weak) but a real fear that something will happen and they would have helped it happen.

This posture - on this issue - shows there is NO such concern, nor fear, in the administration. If they push x or y - and there is another attack - they have NO concern that their policies would be considered as mitigating the success of said attack. None. Either they are so supremely confident that they can con the public forever - and about *anything*; or they honestly do not give a damn about the security of the US - as long as their is short term gain (be it political or financial or both) to be made.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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55. They may have to rethink this imo. Lots of unhappy campers
are out here. Bring the veto on, dimson!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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56. Think of it as kind of an extended floor vote...
like when they hold House votes open for an hour or two after the deadline so that just enough votes are switched.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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57. They are an empire and create reality. We just live in & react to it....
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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59. Not any more
The new free press on the Internet is now a force driving events and they are now responding to us. We've got them on the run.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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61. Yeah, that maybe 1%of people use as their primary source.
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 09:43 AM by BlueEyedSon
You also assume that Bushco reacts to forces (public opinion, truth, the LAW, special prosecutors, the Fourth Estate, congress) other than their own agenda.

They never stopped torture, extraordinary rendition.... Cheney never gave up his energy task force meeting notes, etc etc. They can stonewall indefinitely, or stall until the issue is "overtaken by events".
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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62. Of course
they've switched gears before when people start to shout loud enough.

They do outrageous things on purpose because up until the last year of so, they've gotten away with everything they put out there. They grew more and more arrogant and they can no longer act any other way. However, when they are backed into a corner they always cave. Typical bullies.

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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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58. This will be the end of the line for Bush
Americans are not going to accept this, not after being told to be wary of terrorists (who just happened to be from this part of the planet). Bush can't expect anyone to disregard the fear he's preached to them over the past few years.

Plus the connections to his Father's organization, The Carlyle Group indicate a SERIOUS CONFLICT OF INTEREST in this deal. Apparently Bush learned nothing from the "Yer doin' a heck of a job, Brownie" experience with cronyism.

This is so fresh, the pile is still steaming and the horse is still walking away from it.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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60. The racism card isn't working this time
They are desperately trying to convince their base that this is a racism issue, but the whole war on terra was based on racism, so it's a hard sell, to say the least.


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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 03:57 PM
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78. I've heard it all before. Sorry, they will get away with it yet AGAIN.
I wish I had a dollar for everytime somebody around here stated "this is it" - "this is the one that brings them down/turns the american sheeple against them/etc/etc/etc".

Not gonna happen.

Sorry to throw cold water on it.

Same with the "DOMESTIC" spying.
Same with "plamegate".
Same with no WMD.
Etc.
Etc.
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:05 AM
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63. So many turds in a giant toilet


Mr. Adam Ereli is the Public Affairs Officer at the US Embassy, and is responsible for all
press and cultural relations between the US and Yemen. He arrived in Yemen in August
1996. He will be leaving on August, 7th, 1998.

Q: How do you see Yemeni democracy evolving?

A: Most people would agree that democracy is a process.
It's not something that is created over night. It takes years and years of practice to develop.
That has certainly been our experience in the US and I think that's the approach which the
Yemeni people are taking to democracy. Nobody would say that democracy in Yemen is perfect.
By the way, neither is the democracy in the US, after 200 years.
Rather, there is a willingness and a commitment to keep improving it, continue having
elections, continue political party activity. Practice will improve the system.
That's the way democracy works. It's a constantly evolving and improving process that
responds to the needs of the people. In order to move forward you have to keep practicing democracy.

http://www.yementimes.com/98/iss31/l&d.htm

Oct 8, 2002

In addition, Rumsfeld, a master bureaucratic operator whom former secretary of state
Henry Kissinger once called "the most ruthless" man he ever confronted, appears to
enjoy the unconditional backing of Dick Cheney, who is himself widely considered to
be the most powerful vice president in US history. Their mutual admiration dates almost
40 years, when they worked for presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

It is no accident that their top advisers - for Rumsfeld, Deputy Defense Secretary
Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary for Policy Douglas Feith, and Defense Policy Board
chairman Richard Perle; for Cheney, Chief of Staff I Lewis Libby and his number
two, Eric Edelman - are all neo-conservatives.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DJ08Ak01.html

Stephen Hadley enabling piss ant.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:54 AM
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65. It's all about Big Business
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 10:55 AM by DemReadingDU
More money for the wealthy.

Bush won't let this deal get away. First thing he said is that he would veto any bill to stop it, no doubt to ensure that his wealthy cronies would gain in the profits

edit for typo
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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:18 AM
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66. Will This Finally Be The Last Straw????
:shrug:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:21 AM
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67. Allright that does it! Time to fire their assess!!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:30 AM
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68. Bush is going to ram this through and No review is necessary
cause he is the President and what he says goes...

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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 12:52 PM
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71. Well, President-Elect Gore said recently that "We The People" should stand
...against the abuses of the Constitution of this (or any) administration.

The only thing the elite fear is feet in the street.

That's an old truism. They don't fear money, they've got all the money. They don't fear power, they've got all the political power.

They fear NUMBERS. Period.

Feet on the street, and we need to start doing it now.

One Million Americans - Permanent Camp at the White House - NOW.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:07 PM
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72. Well, then..be prepared to be pimp-slapped..HARD by Congress.
Most members are back home in their own districts right now, which means they are getting BOTH BARRELS from their outraged constituents.
They will override the Lil' Emperor's first-ever veto, and people will remember that Bush ("terra,terra,terra") tried to sell them out to a country with suspected terrorist ties.
He's overreached on this one, and by doing so, has revealed himself to be just what we here at DU knew him to be all along...
a lying, thieving, brain-dead impostor who is selling our Country piece-by-piece to the highest bidder.
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Shelor Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 01:57 PM
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73. Even his own party is abandoning him on this one. Shrub is clueless.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:48 PM
Original message
delete-duplicate.
Edited on Sat Feb-25-06 02:49 PM by Clarkie1



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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 02:48 PM
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75. There is no possiblity this deal will go through.
Congress will not allow it (especially in an election year), and will pass legislation to block this deal and quite possibly any leasing of U.S. ports by foreign entities. If * follows through with a veto, it will be swiftly and overwhelmingly overriden.

This deal touches a nerve with the American people. I doubt many Americans were aware of ANY foreign entities involved with the operation of our ports until now, and I guarantee you the vast majority of Americans not only don't want this deal to go through, they want AMERICANS running the ports.

No degree of assurances or attempted persuasion will convince Americans otherwise.


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Loose Nuke Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:00 PM
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81. If Bush Co. did 9/11, who trusts their judgment on this?
The UAE has ties to AQ Khan, Bin Laden, produced 2 of the alleged hijackers and helped with the funding; this company is state-owned; and Bush considers them an "ally" in the "war on terror".

The Bush Administration lies as a matter of policy

No evidence has ever been produced by them of Osama's involvement in 9/11, despite Colin Powell's promise of a White Paper on the subject; Osama denied it twice; the "found" admission tape is a fake; there is an astounding amount of evdience that the attacks couldn't have been carried out without inside help; all investigations into the subject have been obstructed; the 9/11 Commission report has been exposed as "a 571 page lie" by David Ray Griffin's "the 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions". Whatever involvement Bin Laden had in 9/11, he is most definitely a patsy; the real culprits are in this Administration and the Excutive Branch. The real 9/11 terrorists want to turn over the ports to the UAE, are spying on Americans illegally, haven't reigned in a Pentagon who's monitoring war-protesting Quakers, and they stole the last 2 elections. This Republic is over unless these people are exposed, impeached and convicted. We need to pressure Congress and the media, but they need us, we don't need them- word of mouth, email, downloads and DVDs are rapidly spreading the news. They fear the People's will; that's why they lie about what they do. If we don't buy or elect them, and they can't maintain the appearance of legitimacy, they will go the way of the other dinosaurs.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org Timelines made of hundreds and thousands of mainstream news stories. Some cast doubt, others prove the lie. The big picture destroys the official stories of 9/11, Iraq, Katrina and more.

http://www.911truth.org Umbrella organization for the 9/11 Truth Movement- find out what's being done and get involved.

http//www.911research.wtc7.net Excellent analysis of the best evidence, debunking of bogus theories.

http//www.911citizenswatch.org Keeping tabs on 9/11 issues, investigations, news, etc.
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