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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:27 PM
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US-Brit war killed 55,000 Iraqi civilians
The invasion, war and occupation of Iraq has cost up to 55,000 civilian lives, according to a shocking new report published by a UK-based charity.

Now the medical charity is lobbying the American and British governments to focus urgently on the healthcare needs of the Iraqi population, following the invasion of the country.

Medact's damning report highlighting the devastating impact of war on the Iraqi population, reveals that between 22,000 and 55,000 Iraqi civilians died during the bombing of the country.

The report titled, Continuing Collateral Damage: the health and environmental costs of war on Iraq, says that the American and British occupiers are obliged under international law to ensure that the healthcare needs of the population are met.

Al Jazeera
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Ready for more "liberation"?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:32 PM
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1. here's another article saying 20,000
are THOSE people better off now that Saddam is "gone"???

:grr:

burn in hell George W Bush


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=afp/iraq_britain_health

LONDON (AFP) - Iraq (news - web sites) is facing a "considerable" disruption of its health care system as a result of the US-led invasion, a London-based medical non-govermental organisation warned.


In a 16-page report and accompanying press release, Medact said that "more than 20,000 Iraqis have died between the start of hostilities (in March) and when the report was finalised" in late October.


"The current situation continues to damage health and the environment in Iraq," the group said Tuesday.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:48 PM
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4. go vote this story a "5". It needs it. n/t
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:03 AM
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13. Meet the new boss...
Edited on Wed Nov-12-03 12:06 AM by BringEmOn
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:39 PM
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2. And in the future, cluster bombs and cancer will kill even more
Don't forget depleted uranium ... the gift that keeps on taking.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:47 PM
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3. It's not "liberate". It's "obliterate"
Gee, all the people he executed in Texas was nuthin' compared to this.

I don't think Milosevic killed this many people. Anyone got stats?

Our war criminal is bigger than your war criminal. Nyah nyah nyah.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:54 PM
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5. another link to this story
(for those that question Al Jazeera)

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/11/12/1068329608373.html

Iraq war killed 21,000 to 55,000: report estimates

November 12, 2003 - 12:04PM

Between 21,000 and 55,000 people had died as a direct result of the war in Iraq, most of them Iraqi soldiers and civilians, according to a report released today.

Medact, an activist group of health professionals, said it had derived the figures - which it called "tentative" - by adding numbers it obtained from news reports and a Web site that estimates the number of Iraqi civilian deaths by tracking all those reported in the media.

The group cited the Iraqi Body Count Web site's estimate that between 7,757 and 9,565 Iraqi civilians had been killed between the war's start in March and October 20, the date the report went to press.

It added to that The Guardian newspaper's estimate that between 13,500 and 45,000 Iraqi soldiers died, probably closer to the lower number.

...more...
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:55 PM
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6. Thanks.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:00 PM
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7. One Hell of A Mass Grave
are we even yet?
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:10 PM
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9. Don't be so pessimistic...
I just wait for Bush and the coalition of the willing to state that Iraq is the country with the lowest diabetis rate worldwide. The sanctions did the job. No insuline, no diabetis.
Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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HighNoonMeetUp Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:09 PM
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8. If Al Jazeera says so it must be true
What did we do with all the bodies? Mass grave like Saddam?
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:11 PM
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10. You think they're all in one place?
They're scattered around Iraq, where they died.

And Al Jazeera doesn't say so - they reported what an organization said.
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HighNoonMeetUp Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:25 PM
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12. Al Jazeera doesn't say so
I know. I'm just saying they would not report it if it was not true.

What's sad is that we killed all these innocents and just left them laying around to rot.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:57 AM
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19. And, it's a recorded fact that in GWI, we DID create mass graves
using Abrams rigged with shovels pushing wounded and dying along with the dead into trenches b4 burying them.

Oil's expensive, dude.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 08:08 AM
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24. Iraqis bury their dead just like anyone else.
Unless the bodies are in the desert then bulldozers do the job.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:55 AM
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18. They are reporting a BRITISH report. Get over it.
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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:15 PM
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11. Our brothers and sisters
murdered by an insane man posing as a man of GOD,I dare that monster to call himself a Christian,Christians don't act like monsters,Bush you are a disgrace to human kind,you have your supporters who are just as evil as you,my God the God of truth and justice will judge you and your greedy,hateful supporters and condemn you to your rightful place,I am sure it want be a Heavenly place,REST IN AGONY YOU EVIL BASTARDS.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:09 AM
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14. Mass graves indeed.
And AWOL soooo loves to talk about Saddam's mass graves.

This thing is going down like a lead balloon.

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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:14 AM
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15. And this is why Kerry, Gephardt, LIEberman, and Edwards...
shouldn't get anyone's support.

Their hands are just as bloody.

Hail to Dennis Kucinich the only one who is working to make War archaic.

www.kucinich.us
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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 12:29 AM
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16. photos of the Iraqi people that we're not seeing on the news
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:53 AM
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17. Another link and a kick.
It's Iran, but b4 the lurkers cry "foul, it's a ME news source," the report is British.

US-Brit war kill 55,000 Iraqi people

http://www.iribnews.com/Full_en.asp?news_id=192241&n=32

Tehran, Nov 12 - The invasion, war and occupation of Iraq has cost up to 55,000 civilian lives, according to a shocking new report published by a UK-based charity.

Now the medical charity is lobbying the American and British governments to focus urgently on the healthcare needs of the Iraqi population, following the invasion of the country.

Medact's damning report highlighting the devastating impact of war on the Iraqi population, reveals that between 22,000 and 55,000 Iraqi civilians died during the bombing of the country.

The report titled, Continuing Collateral Damage: the health and environmental costs of war on Iraq, says that the American and British occupiers are obliged under international law to ensure that the healthcare needs of the population are met.

Iraq has a population of 25 million people, half of whom are under the age of eighteen. Children are particularly vulnerable in post war Iraq, with 1 in 4 not receiving immunisation against measles since Saddam Hussein was removed from power.
<snip>
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:29 AM
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20. We have killed so many
Dear lord.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 04:54 AM
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21. Kick
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:25 AM
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22. The full PDF report in PDF from Medact is here - Nov. 11
http://www.medact.org/tbx/docs/Coll%20Dam%202.pdf

Executive Summary

The war on Iraq and its aftermath exacted a heavy toll on combatants and civilians, who paid and continue to pay the price in death, injury and mental and physical ill health. Between 21,700 and 55,000 people died between March 20 and October 20, 2003 (the date on which this report went to press), while the health and environmental consequences of the conflict will be felt for many years to come.

This toll is calculated in a comprehensive, independent survey written and researched by health professionals for the Iraqi Health Monitoring Project, managed by Medact and part-funded by Oxfam and the Polden-Puckham Charitable Foundation. Its conclusions are based on the best available information on a range of health indicators from sources in the public domain, and observations from expert individuals and organisations in and outside Iraq.

The impact of war on health is usually assessed primarily in terms of its most direct and visible effects ­ death and injury through conflict. Between 7,800 and 9,600 Iraqi civilians are estimated to have died in this way, and 394 Coalition combatants. Estimates of the number of Iraqi military deaths range from 13,500 - 45,000. In the absence of official body counts, the final toll will probably never be known. In addition, thousands of combatants on both sides as well as civilians suffered severe injuries, including amputations and mental trauma that triggers psychiatric disorders.

The full effects of war are, however, felt through many other less direct but potentially equally deadly or more deadly pathways. Here the death toll and disease burden could be numbered in tens of thousands. Yet it may never be known for certain, owing to the lack of accurate data, lack of functioning health information systems, lack of commitment to collecting or disseminating the data, and the absence of agreed conceptual models for measuring the effects of conflict on health.

The report assesses the impact of the war on the determinants of health, including limited access to clean water and sanitation; poverty and household food security; environmental degradation; disruption of social systems and public services, including health services; and social breakdown. There has been deterioration in all these determinants. The health of the Iraqi people is generally worse than before the war. And as documented in our earlier report, Collateral Damage: The health and environmental costs of war on Iraq (issued November 12, 2002), that state of health was already poor by international standards; any fresh conflict was likely to lead to further decline, at least in the short to medium term.

The impact of the war on the Iraqi environment is also documented. This includes extensive pollution of land, sea, rivers and the atmosphere that may have spilled over to neighbouring countries. Oil well fires created oil spills and toxic smoke. Troop movements destroyed fragile desert ecology. Explosive remnants of war and land mines killed and maimed people and animals and polluted the landscape. Bombardment destroyed topsoil and arable/grazing land as well as the physical infrastructure of buildings, roads, railways, power stations, sewage plants and telecommunications.

The report analyses the postwar occupation and reconstruction of Iraq from a health perspective. While acknowledging efforts to provide emergency health relief and restore battered health services, it notes that long-term health and wellbeing will depend on restoration of security, revitalisation of the economy, and reconstruction of all services that impact on health as well as regeneration of health services.

The report also advocates the need to study the long-term effects of war on mental and physical health, an internationally neglected issue despite the continuing presence of conflicts around the globe whose massive health and human cost is seldom fully counted.

Finally, the report's recommendations include a proposal for the re-establishment of an Iraqi health sector based on the principle that health and health care are fundamental social rights. Health system reconstruction provides an opportunity to correct past mistakes in the organisation of health services. It can be an important aspect of nation-building, and promote healthy inter-community and international relationships through which, as the World Health Organization points out, health can act as a "bridge to peace."

Continuing Collateral Damage: The health and environmental costs of war on Iraq is issued in London on November 11, 2003 by the global health organization Medact, the UK affiliate of International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War (IPPNW) ­ winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985. It is being released on the same day in Boston Massachusetts by IPPNW and by other IPPNW affiliates in 12 other countries.

See also http://www.ippnw.org./ContCollDamPR111103.html
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 05:34 AM
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23. Before you Bitch about an ME source, do your homework. Kneejerk Bullshit.
Shame on you that take a bat to Aljazeera every chance you get. Disgusting. You should see the BBC video documentary that was nearly banned in the UK but shown despite having DEAD British soldiers in it. I am going to try and find it online somewhere.

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About Medact

Medact is a charitable organisation of doctors, nurses and other health professionals who are concerned about major threats to health such as violent conflict, poverty and environmental degradation.

These issues are of both global and local concern. Medact shows the relationship between them, educating policy-makers and the public on the measures needed for their prevention. See our list of supporters below.

All health professional and students are invited to become members of Medact. Others are welcome to join us as supporters. Why not join now.


Medact is supported by:

President

June Crown CBE (former President of the Faculty of Public Health Medicine)

Vice Presidents

Sir Douglas Black
Prof. PJ Graham
Prof. Andrew Haines
Sir Raymond Hoffenberg
Prof. David Morley
Dr Alex Poteliakhoff
Prof. Sir Martin Roth
Dr Hanna Segal
Dr Helen Zealley
Prof. Gill Walt

Funders

We would also like to thank our funders, including the European Commission (DG Development), Save the Children Fund UK and our members whose subscriptions and donations sustain our work.


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Also supported by The International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War

IPPNW is a non-partisan, global federation of national medical organizations in 58 countries dedicated to research, education, and advocacy relevant to the prevention of nuclear war. To this end, IPPNW seeks to prevent all wars, to promote non-violent conflict resolution, and to minimize the effects of war and preparations for war on health, development, and the environment.

IPPNW works for

Abolition of all nuclear weapons
Demilitarization of the global economy and an end to the arms trade
Re-allocation of resources from military to civilian needs, especially to basic health care and human necessities
Sustainable and ecologically sound economic development
IPPNW is the only international medical organization dedicated to the abolition of nuclear weapons. Our principal program areas beyond the core mission of nuclear abolition include projects to end the threats posed by small arms and light weapons, landmines, chemical and biological weapons, and the burden of debt on developing nations.

http://www.ippnw.org./ContCollDamPR111103.html
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