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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:57 AM
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USA Today: Insurgents Gain A Deadly Edge in Intelligence
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 10:59 AM by Beetwasher
Guerrillas have better sources than the coalition

U.S. forces are losing the intelligence battle in Iraq to an increasingly organized guerrilla force that uses stealth, spies and surprise to inflict punishing casualties.

U.S. military, intelligence and law enforcement officials say that after six months of intensifying guerrilla warfare, Iraqi insurgents know more about the U.S. and allied forces -- their style of operations, convoy routes and vulnerable targets -- than the coalition forces know about them. Indeed, U.S. intelligence has had trouble simply identifying the enemy and figuring out how many are Iraqis and how many are foreign fighters.

--snip--

Comment: This paragraph blows my mind:

"The key problem is that Iraqi guerrillas simply have more and better sources than the coalition. U.S. military officers worry that the Iraqis who work for them, such as translators, cooks and drivers, include moles who routinely pass inside information back to insurgents. In at least two cases, Iraqis have been fired on the suspicion that they were spies."

Comment: DUH!!! Moles? NO SHIT SHERLOCK. What's amazing is they only claim at least TWO CASES in which they were fired!!! MORONS!!! The Chimp MUST be the one micromanaging this conflict if they are THIS stupid.

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20031105/5651116s.htm

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:59 AM
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1. Link Please
eom
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:59 AM
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2. Sorry, fixed.
n/t
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:01 AM
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3. Well, if we had some good translators
The neo-cons really muffed that bit--never thought ahead about getting folks who could SPEAK THE LANGUAGE....
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:06 AM
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5. And fired some of those who MIGHT have been able to help
because they were gay. Remember the students in the military language school who were drummed out because they were gay?

Tsk, tsk. They might have been helping save lives about now.

Eloriel
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:02 AM
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4. Yeah, well, this is simple enough isn't it
They live there. We don't.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:55 AM
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13. Ya know? junior is a dead ringer for Mussolini
The arrogance and the overbearing pride rings loud and clear to me.

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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:10 AM
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6. DUHHHHHHHH ask any Vietnam Vet about the locals that
worked for them in Nam.

They were all spys.... in one way or the other.....

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:12 AM
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7. Over 20 million sets of eyes watching our soldiers 24/7. Think about it nt
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:17 AM
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8. Hint to the US military:
It is THEIR f***in' country, assholes!

They're supposed to know their country and their people far better than any
foreigner, you freakin' idiots!!!!!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:22 AM
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9. Incredibly, it's as if they're just realizing this would be a problem
:eyes:
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:41 AM
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10. Language, language, language, culture, culture, culture. . .
history, history, history.

If * and Co. had even a little knowledge of these three things about Iraq, we never would have gone there.

"Ugly American" strikes again!

They never learn, do they?

:argh::argh::argh:
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:49 AM
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11. this is why Haliburton is shipping into Iraq Indian reconstruction workers
such workers are not considered to be a security threat. in the mean time, iraqis go without jobs
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 11:52 AM
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12. This is why they couldn't admit that Wolfie was the target
in the attack on the Rashid. The occupation is thoroughly infiltrated by the insurgency.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 12:18 PM
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14. Tet Offensive question
I remember hearing some apochryphal stories from a 'Nam vet who said a lot of U.S. got their throats slit during Tet by their Vietnames barbers who have given them a shave every morning for years, but turned out to be deep-plant VC moles.

Is there any truth to that?

I can't imagine what this kind of constant fear and paranoia does to the human mind after a little while. I hope the army is hiring PTSD specialists by the busloads, cause they're going to need them.
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 12:19 PM
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15. Well, who could have predicted it would be this bad? No one....
Well, no one except EVERYONE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH except today's US Reich Wing.

Americans tried to tell Bush. The UN tried to tell Bush. 15 million simultaneous demonstrators tried to tell Bush.

But he and his crack(head) advisors wouldn't listen.

Thank God there is a God. Who will ensure that Bush and all who harbor him are going to roast in Traitor Hell for all eternity.

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:02 PM
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16. USA Today Criticizes Bu$h War Machine?
My Goddess! How long has this rag been kissing Junior's sorry ass at every turn? And now they print something that is not favorable?

Mr. pResident, did your father ever tell you about "deep doo-doo?"

:evilgrin:
dbt
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:16 PM
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17. The CIA counts 50,000, the Gen counts 5,000
*someone* has funky intel. Who profits if it becomes accepted that it's the CIA that's wrong?
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 01:25 PM
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18. LOOK OUT! Here's comes the Pheonix Program, Pt II...
Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 01:28 PM by Patriot_Spear
We all remember Pheonix, don't we? CIA program to assassinate RNVA sympathizers and guerilla leaders. Wow, the more things change...
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