Don't kill bin Laden: Dalai Lama

[sabra]

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,18676818-5001028,00.html

Don't kill bin Laden: Dalai Lama

THE Dalai Lama said that were al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden killed that hatred would cause another 10 like him to spring up, in an interview with a British newspaper published today.

The exiled Tibetan spiritual leader told The Daily Telegraph that terrorists should be treated humanely.

He also revealed the workings of his relationship with US President George W. Bush, said Westerners had become too self-absorbed and repeated his opposition to homosexuality in a wide-ranging interview.

The Dalai Lama said modern terrorism was born out of jealousy of Western lifestyles.

"Fundamentalism is terrifying because it is based purely on emotion, rather than intelligence," the 70-year-old monk said at the seat of his government-in-exile in the northern Indian hilltop town of Dharamsala.

"It prevents followers from thinking as individuals and about the good of the world.

[Canuckistanian]

1. Too late!

He's already dead and buried.

[JI7]

2. is there another source or a link to the actual interview ?

this seems very biased towards the right. not surprised considering it's a conservative source.

[JuniperLea]

4. It sure does

I hardly think embracing terrorists and hating homosexuals goes hand in hand!

"Relationship" with W? Surely they jest. W is everything the Dali Lama is not.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. The Dalai Lama is against Gays and says ME is jealous??!!

When did they turn him? Is he CIA now?

Terrorism is born out of bombing and killing in another country when it's none of our damn business to interfere.

Wrong about Gays, correct about our self-absorption however.



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[theHOMOagenda]

5. This seems suspicious

I find this highly suspect concerning His Holiness' writings and speeches. For example:

Dalai Lama urges 'respect, compassion, and full human rights for all,' including gays

by Dennis Conkin
Bay Area Reporter, June 19th, 1997

The Dalai Lama, world-revered leader of millions of Buddhists and leader of the Tibetan people, spoke out strongly against discrimination and violence against lesbians and gays during an extraordinary Wednesday, June 11 meeting in San Francisco with lesbian and gay Buddhists, clergy, and human rights activists.

The religious leader said at the press conference that he had previously been asked his views on gay marriage, and said that such social sanction of gay relationships "has to be judged in the context of the society itself and the laws and social norms."

During the 45-minute meeting, the Nobel peace laureate and Buddhist religious leader voiced his support for the full recognition of human rights for all people, regardless of sexual orientation.

Buddhist sexual proscriptions ban homosexual sexual activity and heterosexual sex through orifices other than the vagina, including masturbation or other sexual activity with the hand. Buddhist proscriptions also forbid sex at certain times - such as during full and half moon days, the daytime, and during a wife's menstrual period or pregnancy - or near shrines or temples. Adultery is considered sexual misconduct, but the hiring of a female prostitute for penile-vaginal sex is not, unless one pays a third party to procure the person.

From a "Buddhist point of view," lesbian and gay sex "is generally considered sexual misconduct," the Dalai Lama told reporters at a press conference a day earlier.

However, such proscriptions are for members of the Buddhist faith - and from "society's viewpoint," homosexual sexual relations can be "of mutual benefit, enjoyable, and harmless," according to the Dalai Lama.

"His Holiness was greatly concerned by reports made available to him regarding violence and discrimination against gay and lesbian people. His Holiness opposes violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation. He urges respect, tolerance, compassion, and the full recognition of human rights for all," said Office of Tibet spokesman Dawa Tsering in a statement issued within an hour of the meeting.

Photographs of the historic event were taken, but were available only on the condition that participants' quotes be reviewed prior to publication.

That condition violates journalistic canons regarding the freedom of the press. The Bay Area Reporter declined any conditions for the release of the photographs and has lodged a protest with the National Gay and Lesbian Journalism Association over their embargo.

His Holiness will always ask for compassion and language like that article seem out-of-character. Actually, it sounds more like the pope.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

6. Thanks for that...

It's definitely closer to what I'm used to hearing from the Dalai than what the rightwinger "said" he "said"

:)

[theHOMOagenda]

11. And then...

On further reading...



of Bush:

"By my third visit, I was ushering him into the Oval Office. I was astonished by his grasp of Buddhism."

:D

pardon me while I roll on the floor with laughter for awhile!

[wtmusic]

9. Notice no direct quotes about homosexuality

and the Telegraph is a RW rag, isn't it?

[file83]

18. Exactly... WTF does "his opposition to homosexuality" MEAN? Does it

mean that "he isn't a homosexual himself?" As in "I'm opposed to trying out homosexual acts, personally speaking?"

Does it mean he is opposed monks practicing homosexuality (and for that matter, heterosexuality as well since they are supposed to be celibate??)

This is a completely irresponsible article to go about making claims like that with out bothering to back it up with a clarifying quote when the Dali Lama himself has voiced compassion for ALL HUMAN BEINGS - even terrorists. So I highly doubt he is "opposed" to homosexuals.

This reporter is a jackass.

[MadisonProgressive]

19. This sums it up:

'From a "Buddhist point of view," lesbian and gay sex "is generally considered sexual misconduct," the Dalai Lama told reporters at a press conference a day earlier.

However, such proscriptions are for members of the Buddhist faith - and from "society's viewpoint," homosexual sexual relations can be "of mutual benefit, enjoyable, and harmless," according to the Dalai Lama.'

His Holiness is not a radical fundamentalist - he is a thinking, loving human being!

[wtmusic]

26. Buddhists consider LG sex "sexual misconduct"?

News to me.

[MadisonProgressive]

27. It was news to me also

But I guess it's possible. It's a good thing he isn't a redneck about it.

[Kat45]

7. Um, I believe it is an Australian paper owned by Murdoch

(NewsCo) That would explain it. I guess you could call it Fox News Down Under.
:puke:

[regnaD kciN]

8. Let me introduce you to the April 1st tradition...

...of putting fake stories in newspapers throughout Europe and other parts of the world.

Although he appeared not to approve of the war in Iraq, he was admiring of Mr Bush.

"He is very straightforward," said the monk.

"On our first visit, I was faced with a large plate of biscuits. President Bush immediately offered me his favourites, and after that, we got on fine. On my next visit, he didn't mind when I was blunt about the war.

"By my third visit, I was ushering him into the Oval Office. I was astonished by his grasp of Buddhism."

:rofl:

It reminds me of the story in the April 1st London Times, circa 1965, that Britain, in order to get France's permission to join the European Common Market, had agreed to replace the statue of Nelson on the column in Trafalger Square with one of Napoleon. ;-)

[wtmusic]

10. I've been punked!

:rofl:

[Harper_is_Bush]

31. If it's an April fool it's the best disguised one I've ever seen.

That little piece is sandwiched between a lot of eloquent quotes about terrorism and the West.

I don't think it's April fool. I think he's a nice guy, and he's going to be nice to everyone including Bush. Lead by example.

[951-Riverside]

12. I never trust australian news sources

I don't know much about australian media to know who is the good guy/bad guy.

[me b zola]

17. OMG! bush* pissed himself???

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

:rofl:

[Ronbrynaert]

13. ouch

I am kind of shocked.

I guess you learn something new when you google instead of just assume (and this is just one of many in a search on dalai lama and gays): link:

But, despite all his wisdom and compassion, the Dalai Lama apparently cannot imagine gays and lesbians leading fulfilling, happy and ethical lives.

Although he says that no real love between people can be condemned and that any discrimination and violence based on sexual orientation must end, the Dalai Lama nevertheless persists in considering the natural expressions of gay and lesbian sexual orientation as “wrong,” “unwholesome,” a “bad action” and as “vices.”

In an interview with the French magazine Dimanche, the Dalai Lama says of gay and lesbian sexuality:

“It’s part of what we Buddhists call “bad sexual conduct. Sexual organs were created for reproduction between the male element and the female element — and everything that deviates from that is not acceptable from a Buddhist point of view.”

In the same interview, he specifically said he was “for” (heterosexual) sex with condoms or the pill. That is, it’s fine for heterosexuals to have non-procreative, recreational sex — as long as it doesn’t involve foreplay with other areas of the body.

A Newsweek article on the Dalai Lama entitled “Lama to the Globe” stated that, “Although he has affirmed the dignity and rights of gays and lesbians, he has condemned homosexual acts as contrary to Buddhist ethics.”

In the past decade he has repeatedly stated in publications, in public talks and in international press interviews that non-vaginal sex is “wrong and against Buddhist ethics” for any human being “of good faith,” not just gay and lesbian Buddhists.

[CottonBear]

14. The Dalai Lama is a good and wise man.

He has been misrepresented in this article.

[MrPrax]

15. If anyone wants a good read

on Tibetan Bhuddism and the tradition of the various Dalai Lamas, then I recommend

THE SHADOW OF THE DALAI LAMA
Sexuality, Magic and Politics in Tibetan Buddhism

http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/SDLE/Index.htm

Part 2 of the book is rather enlightening as to what tibetan buddhism traditionally thinks about women and the unwashed.

[CJCRANE]

16. Terrorism is not born out of jealousy.

That's ridiculous. It's mostly resistance to occupation or govts doing black ops (with the occasional lone nutter thrown in).

[gizmo1979]

20. Kill him

hah we can't even catch him.

[henslee]

21. They hate us for our drive thrus and ipods.

[leesa]

22. Well,assuming the guy is alive, let's find out if he actually DID anything

Or do we just continue our American posse action, 'string em up without an investigation'. An investigation would point to the White House doing 9-11 and the world knows it.

[0007]

23. I'd like to read the whole interview and not just some bias

right wingers take.

[Harper_is_Bush]

29. The quotes are in the article. I didn't find it rightwing:

He is saying Bin Laden should not be killed, and I agree with him:

Terrorists, he warned, must be treated humanely.

"Otherwise, the problem will escalate. If there is one bin Laden killed today, soon there will be 10 bin Ladens. Awesome. Ten bin Ladens killed, the hatred is spread; 100 bombed, and 1000 lose members of their families."

I love what he says about the West:

It is fascinating. In the West, you have bigger homes, yet smaller families; you have endless conveniences - yet you never seem to have any time. You can travel anywhere in the world, yet you don't bother to cross the road to meet your neighbours," he said.

"I don't think people have become more selfish, but their lives have become easier and that has spoilt them. They have less resilience, they expect more, they constantly compare themselves to others and they have too much choice - which brings no real freedom."

What he has to say about Bush is spooky:

Although he appeared not to approve of the war in Iraq, he was admiring of Mr Bush.
"He is very straightforward," said the monk.

"On our first visit, I was faced with a large plate of biscuits. President Bush immediately offered me his favourites, and after that, we got on fine. On my next visit, he didn't mind when I was blunt about the war.

"By my third visit, I was ushering him into the Oval Office. I was astonished by his grasp of Buddhism."

[psychopomp]

24. We fomented envy by gobbling up the world's wealth

including in the ME...terrorism is war by other means, and wars are usually over wanting what the other has. So, his statement is true. I think this is what he meant and I am not surprised he put it this way. Furthermore, I am not surprised about his admonission against non-vaginal intercourse.

He is a compassionate person who has values and traditions apart from ours. We cannot expect him to embrace all of our attitudes about human behavior.

[goforit]

25. Quite frankly, yes keep him alive. We need genetic testing to see if

he has any blood relations to GHWB.

[Rex]

28. Kill him? How bout we find him first then take the next step.

Not that Bush is in any hurry to find his buddy Benny. If they find Benny, then someone might get a question in on 911 and we all know how hard this Bush Administration has worked at destroying any query about 911.

[Gregorian]

30. If I could only be so true.

What an inspiration. The part about Bush absolutely inspires me. I am so angry. So full of hatred. I can't even see the truth. I know so much of the truth that I let it blind me to half of the rest of it. Fortunately, I see and believe most of what he says. And I always have. If I could only suspend my judgement under the circumstances.

[Peanutcat]

32. Kill him?!

We can't even find the fucker!:evilgrin: