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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:26 PM
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NYT- Iraq Findings Leaked by Cheney's Aide Were Disputed
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 03:28 PM by DoYouEverWonder
April 9, 2006

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Mr. Fitzgerald, in his filing, said that Mr. Libby had been authorized to tell Judith Miller, then a reporter for The New York Times, on July 8, 2003, that a key finding of the 2002 intelligence estimate on Iraq was that Baghdad had been vigorously seeking to acquire uranium from Africa.

But a week earlier, in an interview in his State Department office, Mr. Powell told three other reporters for The Times that intelligence agencies had essentially rejected that contention, and were "no longer carrying it as a credible item" by early 2003, when he was preparing to make the case against Iraq at the United Nations.

Mr. Powell's queasiness with some of the intelligence has been well known, but the new revelations suggest that long after he had concluded the intelligence was faulty, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby were still promoting it.

Much remains unknown about that period. In his filing, Mr. Fitzgerald recounted a prosecutor's summary of Mr. Libby's testimony to the grand jury. Mr. Libby was, in turn, describing conversations with Mr. Cheney that included the vice president's description of discussions he had had with Mr. Bush. The White House is not commenting on the issue, saying it is still pending in court, but it has not disputed any of the assertions in the court filing. Mr. Libby has also not disputed the assertions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/washington/09leak.html?hp&ex=1144641600&en=bc85efcb03b580b2&ei=5094&partner=homepage

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:55 PM
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1. This article is a must read.
1) Bush authorizes the leak of classified info supporting war

2) But doesn't authorize the leak of contrary info, which remains classified, so nobody is told that there is, at least, a controversy and

3) Scooter then misrepresents the leaked info as being of a "key finding" of the CIA, which is was not.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:09 PM
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2. Looks like the NYT's finally wrote something
worth reading.

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:12 PM
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3. Yes they did
K&R :hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:40 PM
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5. and
it is only leaked to the propagandist herself Judy Miller! Who dutifully writes what the WH tells her to!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 05:14 PM
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7. It is indeed. A real bomb.
Here's piece that stick outs!
But a senior official close to Mr. Hadley said that "it appears that the only three people who knew about the instant declassification were Dick Cheney, George Bush and Scooter Libby." The official refused to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the issue.

Why those three men were acting so quietly remains a mystery, and Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney have never discussed it in public. Aides to Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney were beginning to suggest at the time that any exaggerations about Iraq's weapons program had been the fault of the C.I.A., not the White House.

Mr. Fitzgerald argued in his filing to the court last week that by July 8, Mr. Libby was trying to rebut the Op-Ed article in The Times, published by Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson reported in that article that he had been sent to Niger by the C.I.A. to search for evidence of the transaction, and reported back that there was insufficient evidence that any serious effort had taken place.

"The evidence will show that the July 6, 2003, Op-Ed by Mr. Wilson was viewed in the Office of the Vice President as a direct attack on the credibility of the vice president (and the president) on a matter of signal importance: the rationale for the war in Iraq," Mr. Fitzgerald argued.

But in interviews, other former and current senior officials have offered alternative explanations.

"Remember, this was taking place in the middle of the White House-C.I.A. war," one former White House official who witnessed the events said this week, refusing to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the subject.

As the controversy arose early that summer over why Mr. Bush had included mention of Iraqi uranium in his 2003 State of the Union address, the official recalled, White House officials were convinced that the C.I.A. was placing the blame on the president, suggesting he had politicized the intelligence.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:17 PM
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12. Looks like next week
may be even more exciting then this past week. Whew! I don't know if I can keep up any more.

At least I don't have to wear my tinfoil hat anymore. It was always so hot and itchy.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:51 PM
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19. And to think they even placed this on the front page on the top. Amazed!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:33 PM
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4. Wait. So, only a small portion of the document suggested what,...
,...the criminals-in-charge asserted as the absolute truth while the majority of the document found no imminent threat, no evidence of WMDs that could reach us, no weapon development beyond the 98% that was destroyed in the 90's and even a CAUTION against the bits suggesting what those fuckers held out as TRUTH!?@?@.

IS. THAT. NOT. CALLED,...FRAUD, MISREPRESENTATION, TREASON!!!!!!

I've witnessed juries finding "beyond a reasonable doubt" of crimes with FAR LITTLE EVIDENCE THAN THIS.

Apparently, "Justice" has been brutalized by tyranny, greed, apathy and politics.

Another piece of humanity dies.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:42 PM
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6. cherry pickers!
no wonder Roberts is holding up the phase two investigation. If this does not reenergize Democratic calls for Roberts to step out of the way and let them have at it I don't know what will!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 05:20 PM
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8. No. That's not merely "cherrry-picking". That's FRAUD!!!!
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 05:21 PM by Just Me
Let's say I want to defraud you into buying a bridge to your property, which you can't reach unless that bridge is steady.

I KNOW the bridge could not hold the weight of your body yet I tell you the bridge stands strongly over the river and has stood for decades and its columns still stand solidly and that bridge has beared the weight of many families and horses and heavy-weight equipment that cleared the woods to your property.

That's not cherry-picking. THAT IS FRAUD!!!

FRAUD!!!!

Instead of a "bridge", these fuckers suckered America into funnelling their blood and treasure into a "venture" of OWNING IRAQ.

That's what they did!!!

They are traitors. They are criminals!!! THEY ARE EVIL!!!!
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Owlet Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:43 PM
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16. Energize? Democrats?
Those are two words that look odd appearing in the same sentence. There just seem to be any way to persuade, bully or shame the 'leaders' of my party to take a stand on anything. They remind me more than anything else of the German Scial Democrats of the Thirties.
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saddemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 05:22 PM
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9. Wow
The dems have been waiting years for this kind of stuff to surface. I hope our party is able to really do something with the information and make some real NOISE about it...particularly as the 2006 elections roll around. I'll be really disappointed if they just sit back and do nothing.

This is just...scarey news! Of course...we knew it all along...and I wonder why we have hundreds of thousands of people taking to the streets over the immigration issue and can't find traction on this one. :(
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 05:29 PM
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10. I don't know where you've been
but many of us have taken to the streets before and after the war.

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saddemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 05:33 PM
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11. actually
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 05:36 PM by saddemocrat
so have we :eyes: But I can assure you that there was never this kind of turnout in so many different cities...This is something that we have discussed in our own political group here many times...how to get people "out there". Apparently, we should have brought the issue of 'immigration' into the whole Iraq war thing...and maybe if we threw it into the healthcare debate we could get people to hit the streets more too.

Please show me where the protests about lies told about Iraq had turn-outs in this country like this and I'll take it back. Maybe my memory is bad....or maybe it's just because I live in a smaller area of the country where we only were able to get handfulls of people to show up each time.

This is just...candy for the democratic party. I hope we find a way to really use this information now in a politically savvy way. Is that no politically correct to say? geesh.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:32 PM
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13. half a million in DC Sept. 24, 2005
I know, I was there. If the M$M refuses to report it, it is like it never happened. They do choose to report the contrived immigration issue and the "scary ramifications" therefore they will inflate the protests as well.

The anti-war coaltions have been dealing with the lack of M$M attention for 4 years now. I don't expect it to change. :eyes:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:38 PM
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14. Yep, we know
and we've got the pictures to prove it. ;-)





This was just one small section of the march. The entire route was packed at this point.



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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:41 PM
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15. There were a Lot of great photos in the WaPo the next day!
I saved it as a souvenir for my boys. At least half a mil. No doubt!

;)
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:47 PM
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18. I was there for both protests, and it was 500,000 in DC, and between
500,00 and 600,000 in NY during the RNC convention.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:21 AM
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20. actually has been good press (? media). But llitte from Dems. Kerry yes.
Prob. some others that I do not know abut
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 06:43 PM
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17. No in fact they were DISPROVED. Not "disputed"... DISPROVED.
Will we EVER have a real media that manages to get one entire story correct???!
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 07:09 AM
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21. This much is a goddam lie
Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 07:36 AM by symbolman
I know because I researched this for over a year, created a film, a 2 DVD set called "Rove's War" that is a complete chronology of the Plame outing..

"Remember, this was taking place in the middle of the White House-C.I.A. war," one former White House official who witnessed the events said this week, refusing to be named because he was not authorized to discuss the subject

THERE WAS NO CIA WHITE HOUSE "WAR".. It was all a setup. (the only war was against the junior members of the CIA, who had DICK CHENEY and TENET Breathing down their necks.)

The NIE was essentially a version of a White paper that had been produced by the WHITE HOUSE, the WHIG (White House Iraq Group - ALL of whom should be IN CHAINS), and ran through Tenet. After members of Congress complained about the NIE, Tenet actually PRODUCED the WHite Paper CREATED by the WHite House and handed THAT over to Congress (thereby excluding the State Dept warning that the uranium deal was "Highly Dubious"), and then told them to Fuck Off..

BOLTON was working in the State Dept at that time and was demanding STRAIGHT INTEL, intel that hadn't been cleared by the State Dept's intel guys, he wanted the RAW stuff - Powell dispatched an aide to keep watch on Bolton and the aide was met at the door by someone who *I* personally think is the true leaker, (drawing a blank right now on his name, easily mixed up with another person who is innocent, will get it later), and told to BEAT IT.. Bolton wanted to keep it all "in the family" (PNAC'Rs)..

Remember that Tenet was WORKING with Cheney and Bush and had called the Bullshit NIE a "slamdunk" (later got a medal for taking the heat off Bush).. in case you didn't know Tenet's Bye Bye speech was written by ROVE and LIBBY..

I know lots more, but if you want the rest of the story go to my site http://www.takebackthemedia.com and have a look at the trailor, it's all there in my film..

I need to start disputing some of the BS coming out in the media, but I must say that this article is pretty much the real deal, some other lying going on, but mostly true
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 07:16 AM
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22. Good to see you this morning
:hi:

Great work, has usual.

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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 07:33 AM
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23. Thanks my friend
I should probably start a blog (well, I sort of have one already) and start writing about what I KNOW about all this stuff..

Gee, they have Journals right here, might be a good place to start, eh?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 07:41 AM
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24. Go for it
Oh the things we have seen. The stories needs to be told so that we don't forget again.

Peace.

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