Bush warned against attacking Iran

[sabra]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/211A589A-EFB0-44B1-A18C-664F3E553E61.htm

Bush warned against attacking Iran

Critics of the Bush administration have expressed alarm over reports that the president is considering a military strike to knock out Iran's nuclear programme.

Anthony Zinni, a retired general and former head of US Central Command, told CNN on Sunday that a pre-emptive strike on Iran would be extremely risky

"Any military plan involving Iran is going to be very difficult. We should not fool ourselves to think it will just be a strike and then it will be over," said Zinni.

"The Iranians will retaliate, and they have many possibilities in an area where there are many vulnerabilities, from our troop positions to the oil and gas in the region that can be interrupted, to attacks on Israel, to the conduct of terrorism."

[DanCa]

And Dubya allways listens to his Generals

:sarcasm:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. The swiftboating of Gen. Zinni should be starting any time now.

[CoffeeCat]

18. I'm sure....

Any moment we'll be hearing about Zinni, and how he really wasn't that brave. Also, any injuries that he might have incurred will be written off as "scratches."

I can't wait to see a group of 3,000 vets who formerly served under Zinni--claiming that he was a traitor and a coward who couldn't shoot straight.

You wait--the purple band-aids will be aplenty once again!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Of course it's a horrible, crazy, idiotic idea.

So we can pretty much count on Bush going for it.

[LisaL]

8. Extremely risky? No chance for success? Those words must

be like music to Bush's ears.

[gator_in_Ontario]

26. that was my thoughts

since we now live in bizarro world. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry...

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

2. Everybody (except *bush) give out a big

DUH.

[gator_in_Ontario]

27. Can I get a big "DUH"?

DUH! This could be the "DUH" heard around the world...give me a "DUH"....

[Erika]

4. W's fanatic Armageddon crowd are going wild

Finally their boy is going to deliver the 2nd coming.

[DanCa]

6. Unfortunately they want to take us out with them(nt)

[Erika]

9. But they have become laughingstocks and enablers of W

Their 15 minutes is over.

[aquart]

10. because they don't have the guts to go in the next hurricane.

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[Canuckistanian]

7. Whew, that was close

Now Shrub will carefully weigh the advice given him and come to a rational decision.

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[johnnypneumatic]

11. "I double dog dare you" is what * just heard Zinni say

mess up Afganistan, disaster in Iraq, nuke Iran
hey that's another trifecta

[lovuian]

12. We economically vulnerable and Iraq is tapping our troops

if Iraq was quiet but its not...

[Oversea Visitor]

13. You got a mad president

Sure he in control of the most powerful army in the world
But it counts for nuts if it is use to do the work of evil destruction and choas.
Cause humanity cannot survive in this kind of environment
Cause humanity will always fight back no matter how long and bloody cause there is no choice but ultimate destruction

Attacking Iran killing so many people for what
For WHAT
A potential nuclear threat to US
Gee I guess every country that has a nuclear energy programme falls into this catergory
So as one do more wrongs one create more enemies
Every nations then would look like a threat
So where this FEAR going to stop
When every nations being crush
OR the US completely destory

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Yes; unfortunately we do.

Our "president" is as mad as a hatter...

[Canuckistanian]

15. You got that right

They'll never run out of "enemies". There's too much money to be made in eternal war.

[Oversea Visitor]

16. In the olden days

Soldiers are levy from common people
Just get sword or whatever weapons and storm the wall
Cannonfodders
They die
So some mad fuck can has more land wealth or glory

Today is still no different
We still dying for mad people
Maybe this world should be one big country
Hopefully we people are safe after that
OF course until we meet another civilisation in space
Then HEE HAW here we all go again

[magellan]

23. LOL, OV, you are so right on all counts! :-) or should it be :-( (nt)

[UpInArms]

20. Gingrich tells Rumsfeld to dig in for 70-year war

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=cb46d45dd5fc3d05

Monday 6th March, 2006 (UPI)


U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is circulating a strategy paper by former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, asking top deputies to take another look at the QDR with it in mind.

"What does he propose that we have overlooked?" wrote Rumsfeld in a Jan. 30 memo marked "for official use only" to Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Peter Pace, Vice Chairman Adm. Edmund Giambastiani and Eric Edelman, under secretary of defense for policy. "Are there any adjustments to our (Quadrennial Defense Review) roadmaps that could benefit from his ideas?"

<snip>

The third step is establishing a "theory and system" for winning the Long War with the Irreconcilable Wing of Islam." Gingrich suggests the war could last as long as 70 years, and complains that there is no central guidance for this new struggle on par with George Kennan's 1949 "Long Telegram" and Paul Nitze's 1950 NSC-68, both documents that described the problem of, and proposed a policy for, defeating the Soviet Union in the Cold War. Gingrich says that theory must be developed, as well as a strategy for keeping weapons of mass destruction out of the hands of dictators or rogue regimes that might give them to terrorists.

...more madness at link...

[dogfacedboy]

22. Yes, he is mad.

I like to believe that if he really wanted to stage a nuclear first strike, there would be at least a couple of top brass in the Pentagon that would take the steps necessary to stop him. They would be hailed as heroes.

[CoffeeCat]

17. Bush won't see the logic in these rational statements...

He'll take these statements as a challenge!

No one tells Chimpy McSnarkyton what to do!

If you try to tell Junior anything about anything--he throws a temper tantrum and does
exactly what you told him not to do.

Maybe we need to use reverse psychology on this human bag of hammers.

"NO, Mr. pResident! Don't ever call for impeachment hearings! That would be bad! So bad!"

[Strelnikov_]

19. Progressive Economic And Societial Collapse Is One Risk

ANY attack on Iran, including 'limited' air strikes, would be incompetence rising to the level of treason.

Why? Well, look what is going on now. Almost all of our ground forces are tied down policing 7 M +/- Sunnis in Iraq. What happens if, following 'limited' air strikes, we now find ourselves policing the 15 M Shia in Iraq concurrent with a general uprising in the gulf region? Not to mention the vunerabilty of gulf oil shipping or the highly concentrated Saudi production facilities that account for 1/8th of the worlds production.

How much sense does it make to gamble with 20%+ of the worlds current oil production, and 67% of it's reserves, not to mention a nearly equal proportion of natural gas? Without deployment of an adequate ground force (500k +, far exceeding all capabilities without a draft), economic collapse of the western economies will be a real possibility within six months of the first bomb falling.

”Never, Never, Never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events.”

- Sir Winston Churchill

[driver8]

21. Like Bush and his cronies give a flying f*ck what anyone has to say.

George is a war time president who knows what he is doing. Why can't everyone leave him alone and let him do his job? This is all part of the plan, and junior has everyone right where he wants them. The "man" is a masterful strategeryist...there isn't anyone in the Whitehouse who can touch him when they play "Risk". Shit, if he hadn't dodged Vietnam he would have made a hell of a General!!

Bush will not be happy until he achieves "Armageddon".

[ShortnFiery]

24. "if he hadn't dodged Vietnam he would have made a hell of a General"

I seriously doubt that assumption! * is too egocentric to ever have pinned on LTC or COL, much less general. :P

The most caring and empathetic officers are the Captains. Once you pin on those oak leaves, the requirement to "go political" changes everyone. Some can handle it, most can't and get caught up in self-aggrandizing delusions. Their evaluations then TANK, as they should.

IMO, no way would Bush rise higher than a Major (O-4) if the past played out differently. ;)

[NYC]

25. Is there a profit to be made?

I think that is the determining factor.

[arwalden]

28. Why Does Bush's BEST Advice Come From CNN Commentators?

Why isn't he getting this type of insight and advice from within his OWN administration?