Rove says Iran leader not rational

[katinmn]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060412/pl_nm/nuclear_iran_rove_dc_1
By Erwin Seba

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Reaching a diplomatic solution over Iran's nuclear ambitions will be difficult because Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is "not a rational human being," a senior White House adviser said on Wednesday.

The United States is pressing for the U.N. Security Council to take further action against Iran for pursuing its nuclear program, which the Bush administration says is a cover for producing weapons while Tehran says is for peaceful energy generation.

"We are engaged in a diplomatic process with our European partners and the United Nations to keep them from developing such a weapon," Karl Rove, deputy White House chief of staff, told an audience of business people at the Houston Forum.

"It's going to be difficult. It's going to be tough because they are led by ideologues who have a weird sense of history," he said.


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[melody]

1. ROVE says he's not rational?

Isn't that like Donald Duck criticizing somebody for talking funny?

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. The political message from the Supreme Spinner himself! n/t

[saigon68]

53. led by ideologues who have a weird sense of history,"

Rove is an assclown

[radwriter0555]

35. Why would we believe rove?

His record stinks.

[shraby]

2. Projecting your feelings to someone else again Rove?

[pacalo]

4. Irrational idealogues who have a weird sense of history...

Pot, meet kettle.

[gordianot]

5. Irony

[liberal N proud]

6. And our feared leader is?

KKKarl; the fat ignorant asshole needs to look within his own walls.

[napi21]

7. I think the 2 Presidents, theirs & ours, should do well together.

They're BOTH irrational human beings! What say we schedule a one on one meeting, in a padded room, put the two of 'em in there and lock the door. May the best man win!

[xxqqqzme]

20. I'll vote for that - hey, maybe

it can B on pay-per-view.

[katinmn]

48. That's how all wars need to be fought.

The leaders who want to show what tough cowboys they are can go hand to hand.

I hope that the proposed Department of Peace contains such a provision.:)

[Art_from_Ark]

62. Give one a Bible, the other a Koran,

and let them have it out

[katinmn]

8. Karl should stick to what he qualified for, such as jamming phones

[BlueEyedSon]

9. the pot calling the kettle nuts?

[Baconfoot]

75. The cashew calling the almond a nut. NT

[Eugene]

10. Pot, Kettle.

The U.S. leader is not rational, and the neocons who run this country
have as perverse a sense of of history as anyone on the planet.

[no_hypocrisy]

31. Otherwise known as classic Freudian projection. n/t

[BOSSHOG]

11. You have to be a radical christian cleric to be rational

in the eyes of bush's criminal cabal. I'm confused. Who is led by "ideologues with a weird sense of history?"

[unhappycamper]

12. KO or TDS should have fun with this quote tonite. n/t

[0007]

63. Damn I missed Keith again tonight. I never watch MSNBC

except for Olbermann. 0'well.

On a one on one fight with Rove and that Iranian leader I have to bet on the Iranian. When he got through with Rove, Rove would look like a piggy in a blanket.

[ECH1969]

13. Rove says Iran leader not rational

Reaching a diplomatic solution over Iran's nuclear ambitions will be difficult because Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is "not a rational human being," a senior White House adviser said on Wednesday.

"Ahmadinejad spoke to the United Nations and afterwards was quoted as saying that for the 23 minutes that he spoke, there was a halo around his head that transfixed the audience and caused them to be completely focused on his message," he said.

Rove noted, however, that world leaders speaking before the U.N. General Assembly are often watched attentively in silence by the delegates. Rove said that President George W. Bush, for instance, says that speaking to the General Assembly is like appearing before a "waxworks."

International pressure increased on Iran to halt its nuclear program this week after Tehran declared it had produced enriched uranium.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-04-12T192323Z_01_N12343127_RTRUKOC_0_US-NUCLEAR-IRAN-ROVE.xml&rpc=22
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Why does Rove have power to make foreign policy speechs?

[Norquist Nemesis]

14. It's obvious Rove has no clue how Irani government operates. n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. And I say the U.S. leader is not rational.

What's your fuckin point, Karl? :wtf: :shrug:

[katinmn]

16. Dupe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2223479

[TomInTib]

17. "there was a halo around his head that transfixed the audience"

No wonder rove is pissed, Ahmadinejad is stealing his stunts.

[IChing]

18. I loved this quote on waxworks...not mention here.

Rove noted, however, that world leaders speaking before
the U.N. General Assembly are often watched attentively in silence by the delegates.


Rove said that President George W. Bush, for instance, says:
that speaking to the General Assembly is like appearing before a "waxworks."

[TomInTib]

19. "there was a halo around his head that transfixed the audience"

rove is upset that Ahmadinejad is stealing his special effect stunts.

[JuniperLea]

21. Every time those freaks bash another country or world leader

I swear they are talking about themselves!

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. And he should know, being surrounded by not-rational leaders

on a daily basis.

[slide to the left]

23. Ours is?

[antonialee839]

24. "It's going to be tough because they are led by ideologues

who have a weird sense of history"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[IChing]

26. That statement was just so...how do I say.......you know......

Rovian with a heavy after-taste of Orwell


LOL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bemildred]

25. "because they are led by ideologues who have a weird sense of history"

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[daleo]

27. Actually Iran is acting quite rationally

Bush showed them that the weak (Iraq) get invaded and the strong (N.Korea) don't. Their leadership would be acting irresponsible towards their own population to ignore that.

[Rocknrule]

28. This is the guy who accused DEMOCRATS of stealing elections!

:eyes:

[Spinoza]

29. For once,

Rove is speaking a self-evident truth. By definition, a Holocaust Denier is not 'rational'. Of course, this doesn't mean Rove is a good guy or even rational himself. It only means that some 60 years after the Auschwitz smoke stacks finally stopped belching human ash, you cannot both be a rational human being and a Holocaust Denier.

[anitar1]

30. Hello Pot, meet kettle. n/t

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[IChing]

33. LOL , what an "appropriate focus">>>>>> "nclear-ready(ing) "

Can you tell me george what that means exactly
I want to have the appropriate focus in order to understand your point.

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[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. Right. How many warheads do they have? How many do we have?...

...And who the heck are we to dictate to other countries how they should behave? Aren't we in enough trouble as it is?

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[IChing]

54. Any snit? any snit with Karl Rove? snit defined

snit: a fit of irritation; a sulk

Hardly my Uber-trooper oh, it is uper-trooper isn't it? sorry

Care to read what is really going on and then make an informed comment, there are many in this thread.
You are entitled to your opinions but not your facts.

[progressivebydesign]

34. WTF is a POLITICAL HACK doing State Department work??? n/t

[katinmn]

41. My first thought was: Who let Rove loose?

I thought they were keeping him hidden from the public while the "investigation is underway."

[truthisfreedom]

36. this reminds me of when bushco accused Dems of "revisionist history"

bushco: "projection are us"

[Onlooker]

37. I agree with Rove

The head of Iran is crazy enough to make Bush look sane.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Looks like you're falling for the same old NeoCon trick...

...demonize other rulers before you attack their country.

Doesn't it bother you to see the same old propaganda being used against each foreign leader that refuses to bend over and take the NeoCon shaft?

[Onlooker]

51. I didn't say we should attack Iran

but I do think the leader of Iran is a fundamentalist nut.

[Josh]

67. Hear, hear -

Geez people on this board frighten me sometimes. Call a spade a spade, for crying out loud. This guy is calling for Israel to be wiped off the map and is of the same fundamentalist cloth as people in the United States who believe that the rapture is coming to a cinema near Tel Aviv.

Who cares if Rove's the one who said it? You know who else called the guy a nut recently? AL GORE. And many, MANY others. Because it's true.

Just as Onlooker says, he wasn't advocating an attack on Iran, but anyone who believes Ahmadinejad is on the level is just too blinded by hate (and partisan bullshit) to see straight.

Bush is no picnic either, but let's not go crowning the Iranian president some kind of great guy.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. There's a good one to talk.

[Lisa]

42. and he knows -- he has a LOT of experience with irrational leaders (n/t)

[libnnc]

43. Neither is OURS!!!

[VegasWolf]

44. Acquiring weapons to protect oneself from Bush seems pretty sane

to me!

[HuffleClaw]

47. classic propaganda

i can't wait till BUSH utters some cute phrases about this. it is bound to be even funnier, stuff even better than this little projection: "...ideologues who have a weird sense of history."


though, the bit about the UN and waxworks was pretty funny too

[ShortnFiery]

52. "Squealer" in Animal Farm?

Neo-Cons = Double Plus GOOD

Liberals = Double Plus EVIL.


:puke:

[madmark]

49. unlike the paragon of logic and good judgment currently in the WH

[whistle]

50. I'll bet Ahmadinejad popularity among Iranians (85%)....

...is much higher than George Dubya Bush's among Americans (38%). As for Rove's popularity, who the hell is Rove?

[jberryhill]

65. His Popularity Is Low...

...that's why these idiots (he and Bush) need each other so badly.

[annabanana]

71. please! we need links...

If his mojo is that shakey we need to know... please give us a link to this stat....

[jberryhill]

72. Two Drunks Propping Each Other Up...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1489678.cms
Vladimir Yevseyev, an expert with the Carnegie Moscow Center, told Ekho Moskvy radio that Ahmadinejad's announcement was intended to bolster his popularity in the Islamic world.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0414/p08s01-comv.html
The country desperately needs billions to improve its oil industry and create jobs. Without that, its rulers will further lose popularity. They may resort to more jingoism and threats against the US and Israel to rally the masses and keep power.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=67&ItemID=10090
What is really going on here is a ratcheting war of rhetoric. The Iranian hard liners are down to a popularity rating in Iran of about 15%. They are using their challenge to the Bush administration over their perfectly legal civilian nuclear energy research program as a way of enhancing their nationalist credentials in Iran.

I thought it was pretty obvious - the guy performs virtually on cue.

We're being played by these folks on both sides.

[ToeBot]

55. That says maybe, but it doesn't change the fact that Ahmedinejad...

is doing just what the Bush Administration wants him to do. They couldn't have installed a better puppet to play the next mideast boogieman. Hell, he likely wouldn't have been elected if not for the utter mess Bush has made, in both his front and back yards.

[jberryhill]

73. You nailed it

...and it plays well in both the US and Iran.

You want to use fear to manipulate your electorate?

Easy. You find someone else who wants to do the same thing and you rattle sabers at each other.

[judaspriestess]

56. Isnt that the kettle calling the pot black?

This dude is the son of satan

[M155Y_A1CH]

57. I agree, he's not being rational

He's responding in kind instead.

[flashdebadge]

58. I know Ahmadinejad is NOT rational but I don't need to hear it from Rove.

[DuaneBidoux]

59. Instead of pot and kettle imagine two conservatives facing off.

That's the conservative (especially extremely conservative) leaders of all locations are. After all we are rarely afraid of someone elses progressive or liberals. The people we are always afraid of abroad are the same kind of people we are always afraid of at home. We need ours because they have theirs. I just thought about it: conservatives are themselves like bombs: the more they get the more we (perceive that) we need.

[Megahurtz]

60. Rove's Not Rational. n/t

[Rex]

61. Of course he's not rational.

Thank you Capitan Stupid from the planet Obvious.

[clixtox]

64. How Can Rove Top The "Irrational" Claim?

No doubt Rove is going to say very soon that Ahmadinejad tells lies to his own people and to the whole world...
Any Farsi speakers/readers who can attest to the there actually being any truth to the MSM assertions as to the irrationality of the Iranian President? Who of us has any corroboration as to what he is saying or doing? No doubt that the politicians in Iran will get much more mileage from demonizing Bush than Bush will generate by promoting, and then demonizing Iranian leaders. Which insulated USAns would know anything about who was running Iran? Precious few have the slightest clue!
Pardon my sounding a little like Rod McQuen there for a sec... Mea Culpa, but not quite Maxima Culpa

[daringthedevil]

66. Brilliant observation.

[Pavulon]

68. Nash Equib

Each player believes all other participants are rational.
The game correctly describes the utility payoff of all players.
The players are flawless in execution.
The players have sufficient intelligence to deduce the solution.
Each player is rational.

We are fucked..

[MaineDem]

69. Oh this is just too easy

That headline begs response but we all know what that response would be. :evilgrin:

[trogdor]

70. pot...kettle...black

[Lost4words]

74. Wait this quote sounds more like the * junta to me.

"It's going to be difficult. It's going to be tough because they are led by ideologues who have a weird sense of history," he said.

Bush is nothing more than an shameful embarrassment.

[spanone]

76. Who would know irrational better than Rove? Lying Bastard.