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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:15 AM
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U.S. looks for insiders to topple Iran government
WASHINGTON - As the Bush administration confronts the Tehran government over its suspected nuclear weapons program and accusations that it supports terrorism, a newly created office of Iranian affairs in the State Department is poring over applications for a rapidly expanding program to change the political process inside Iran.

The project, which will spend $7 million in the current fiscal year, would become many times larger next year if Congress approves a broad request for $85 million that the Bush administration has earmarked for scholarships, exchange programs, radio and television broadcasts and other activities aimed at shaking up Iran's political system.

The effort, overseen by Elizabeth Cheney, a deputy assistant secretary of state who is a daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney, has been denounced by Iran's leaders as meddling in their internal affairs.

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One Asian diplomat said the effort was reminiscent of the subsidies the United States provided to Iraqi exile groups in the 1990s. "They don't call it "regime change,' but that is obviously what it is," he said. But he had to be promised anonymity before he would discuss it, not wanting to create a public rift between his country and the United States on a significant matter of foreign policy.

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_3712844

While using the same propaganda program they used in Iraq with the same players, I wonder if they will act surprised again when we are not greeted with rose petals and cheers once all the bombing stops
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:18 AM
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1. and many Americans are hoping that insiders topple the bush govt.
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 11:19 AM by Botany
Military officers & the CIA are starting
leaking massive stuff on bush & company now.

forget Iran .... the real danger is in the powers that be here in the States.

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:20 AM
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2. Of course, there WERE plenty of people willing to do that,
chafing under the rule of the relgious and their business cronies granted monopolies and "charitable" charters (sound familiar). The vast majority of the ountry, and they might have done it peacefully.

But Bush hads the nationalists a victory and is looking for fringe ethnic groups now.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:15 PM
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22. But peaceful reform in Iran
would not allow the neo-con crime syndicate to impose their dominance over Iran's oil reserves. Their plan all along with regard to Iran has been to provoke radicalism within the government to help provide the pretext for "regime change". This is not incompetence by the Bush administration. They are driven by the forces of greed and intense desire for the acquisition of power and they will not rest until they have achieved their goals, destroyed us all in their attempt, or been arrested and put on trial for their crimes.

This seems so obvious to me I am constantly frustrated by the ease with which so many are bamboozled by propaganda designed to incite hatred against Iran.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:20 AM
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3. we tried that in the 50s
with Mosedeq, and they got stuck with the Shah, and then the Ayatollahs. We need to stay out of their politics. And if we go there with weapons, We Will Not Be Greeted With Flowers.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:07 PM
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5. Perfectly correct
apart only from the fact you missed out Savak by accident.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 11:22 AM
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4. We are looking for people to topple the US government
and that are willing to arrest Bush, Cheney, et al, and try them for treason and war crimes.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 08:05 PM
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25. Perhaps the only folks left are the Indians?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:36 PM
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6. "Elizabeth Cheney" say WHAT?
I'm sure she is emminently qualifed for the position. That should work well. Who is playing Ahmed Chalabi this time?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:54 PM
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9. Elizabeth Cheney was the head of the Iraq propaganda office
As soon as the last bomb dropped she went over to Iraq and set up the television station, radio stations and newspapers blanketing Iraq with propaganda and stirring up civil unrest. She also worked in the office as the intermediary between the military and the US Press.

The official US Minder.

She has been a very busy lady.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 04:21 AM
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19. Negroponte has a Few Chalabis on Retainer and death squads
He is salivating at the prospect of his hired hoodlums, Shooting a few Nuns and nun type women, in the head, and having his thugs rape their lifeless corpses.

he has a track record for this behavior in central amerika.
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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 06:36 AM
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21. Chalabi will be played by the head of the MEK
it's related couple, either husband/wife or brother/sister depending on which source you use.

RawStory.com article on the US backed terrorists attacking Iran

All this Spy vs. Spy stuff will blow up in Bushco's faces.

FYI the MEK is the 'Mujihadeen-e-Khalk' a leftist/islamist terrorist group of Iranian origin, left over from the days of Saddam.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:44 PM
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7. Too bad they got rid of the moderate government
that was in place when Bush took office.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 12:51 PM
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8. Who will be the new Challabi:). Nice find. They could put a personal
on the web in Iran..."wanted, stooge, has to say anything we say and be able to get along well with press. Excellent salary, never ending benefits."
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 04:22 AM
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20. Here is the Stooge
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:16 PM
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10. Deja vu all over again.
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gunsaximbo Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:23 PM
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11. This sounds familiar
We Bush always says that before he invades a country and it never works.

Boy, I'd love to play poker with that moron.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 01:44 PM
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12. *Ahem*
Edited on Sat Apr-15-06 01:44 PM by Nutmegger
It's moran. :)
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 02:11 PM
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13. Shouldn't they have started something like this
long before now?Doin a heck of a job cia.
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 02:14 PM
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14. Doesn't Chalibi have ties to Iran?
maybe he could help us out again.

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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 05:37 PM
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15. and georgie
gets to find ALL the easter eggs tomorrow!
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 06:06 PM
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16. erm, they tried this crap in iraq, ARE doing the same in venezuela...
to no avail, except to line some opportunists pockets.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-15-06 07:15 PM
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17. Gee how smart of them to thump their chests and announce the plans
:eyes:
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 02:07 AM
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18. why is this in the news? for this to even hope to work it must be secret
therefore probably just smoke and mirrors.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 01:40 PM
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23. Iranians won't fight for America
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 07:54 PM
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24. I was under the impression Iran had democratically elected their govermen
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 09:04 PM
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26. we need to get some insiders to topple this regime
OMG. I read an expose on these people today and the tenacles stretch into every facet of our society.
http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm
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(a history lesson)
Vereide and Buchman had important allies on Wall Street. According to Marine Corps General Smedley Butler, shortly after Franklin Roosevelt was elected President in 1932, he was approached by a group of wealthy Republican industrialists to lead an anti-Roosevelt Fascist coup against the government. As with today’s Fellowship, Vereide and Buchman were merely front men for anti-Socialist big businesses who hid behind the façade of a Christian evangelical movement. To them and their bankrollers, Roosevelt was some sort of anti-Christ who was going to go to bat for the workers, blacks, the poor and women while, at the same time, menacing the ultra-rich and the rising Nazi and Fascist specter in Europe. The coup was to be financed mostly by the J. P. Morgan and Du Pont financial empires. General Butler, who had no time for these industrialists since his military forays into Central America and the Caribbean as a foot soldier on behalf of wealthy capitalists, rejected their overture. Gerald MacGuire, a Wall Street bond salesman and former Commander of the Connecticut American Legion, was the chief recruiter for the coup plot. Butler informed Congress of the plans for the coup. However, Congress was owned by Wall Street and no charges were ever brought against the plotters. Butler was incensed and went public but he was dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. Not until 1967, when journalist John Spivak uncovered the secret Congressional report, was Butler’s version of the events validated. In the report of the Special Committee to Investigate Nazi Propaganda Activities in the United States, Rep. Samuel Dickstein (D-NY) concluded that there was evidence of a coup plot by the right-wing against Roosevelt. However, much to Butler’s chagrin, no criminal action was taken against the plotters.



Butler said MacGuire’s plan was for Butler to force Roosevelt to declare he had become too sick from polio and create a powerful new Cabinet position, the Secretary of General Affairs, to run the government on his behalf. The New Deal, something the U.S. fascists and Nazis referred to as the “Jew Deal,” would have be scrapped. The comparison between the Secretary of General Affairs and the present Secretary of Homeland Security is striking. If Roosevelt did not agree to the coup plotters’ demand, a half million American Legion veterans would march on Washington to physically remove Roosevelt from office. But MacGuire decided that the perception management campaign would work and an armed force would not be required. He told Butler, “You know the American people will swallow that. We have got the newspapers. We will start a campaign that the President’s health is failing. Everyone can tell that by looking at him, and the dumb American people will fall for it in a second…” Shortly after his testimony before the House investigation committee, MacGuire died of pneumonia at the age of 37.



The perception management concerning the attempted right-wing coup against FDR was a harbinger of more ruses that would come from the same right-wing elements: that the first Secretary of Defense James Forrestal was suffering from mental illness when he threw himself out of the sixteenth story of Bethesda Naval Hospital in 1949, that John F. Kennedy was killed by a lone, pro-Communist assassin, and that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. The coup plotters involved some of the biggest names in American business and politics, including Irenee Du Pont of the wealthy chemical company family and founder of the pro-Fascist American Liberty League; J. P. Morgan officers Grayson Murphy and John Davis; General Douglas MacArthur; southern segregationist Governor Eugene Talmadge of Georgia; and, in what represented a sea change for the extreme American right-wing, two influential Catholics, former Democratic presidential candidate Al Smith, who had become very anti-Roosevelt, and John Raskob, a senior Du Pont official and a high ranking member of the Catholic Knights of Malta. The concordat between right-wing Protestants and Catholics presaged a later alliance between The Fellowship and the proto-Fascist Opus Dei movement.



Buchman, who was also involved in the creating the psychologically abusive Alcoholics Anonymous (which enticed many converts from booze to “Jesus”), created an organization called First Century Christian Fellowship. In 1939, while preaching against life’s extravagances, Buchman set up his headquarters in New York’s posh Waldorf-Astoria Hotel. Buchman also found common cause with right-wing racist groups. In addition to his anti-Semitism, Buchman had no time for the civil rights movement. Like Vereide, he rejected women’s suffrage and the labor union movement. When the United States entered the war in December 1941, many of Moral Rearmament’s leaders sought conscientious objector status in the draft as “lay evangelists.” As with today’s fundamentalist Christians, Buchman was rejected by his fellow evangelicals and mainstream religious leaders, including his old evangelical colleague Sam Shoemaker and Dr. Franklin Clark Fry, leader of the United Lutheran Church in America, who called Buchman’s connection with Lutheranism “minimal.” After Senator Harry S Truman received the 1944 nomination for Vice President, he also dropped his past tenuous connections to Buchman. Reinhold Niebuhr, the famous theologian, and George Orwell both labeled Buchman’s Oxford Group and his successor Moral Rearmament Movement as “fascist.”
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After President Truman announced that he was going to continue FDR’s programs – what he called the Fair Deal – the religious right of Republicans and southern Democrats decided to attack Truman. His vulnerability to charges that Communists were embedded in his administration would give rise to the cancer of McCarthyism. However, for the religious right of Vereide, Buchman, and their political allies, this was a necessary and God-driven form of political and moral cleansing. The radical right would also force Truman to consolidate power in a new post-war intelligence agency that would replace the Office of Strategic Services – the Central Intelligence Agency.



Senator Smith was a colleague of fellow Republican and anti-New Dealer Senator Prescott Bush from Connecticut (father of George H. W. Bush and grandfather of George W. Bush). According to Smith’s archived papers, he was also active with Buchman’s Oxford Group. Prior to the war, Alexander’s New Jersey was a hotbed of Nazi activity. The home of German admirer Charles Lindbergh (and the crime scene for a Nazi conspiracy to kidnap and murder his son) and the first port of call for the ill-fated Nazi airship, the SS Hindenburg, New Jersey was friendly territory for groups like Moral Rearmament, the Bund, the Ku Klux Klan, and Vereide’s Prayer Breakfast Movement. One of Alexander’s predecessors as a New Jersey Senator, J.P. Morgan investment banker Hamilton Fish Kean, was also a strenuous opponent of the New Deal until he left the Senate in 1935. His grandson, Thomas H. Kean would serve as New Jersey’s governor and co-chair of the controversial 911 Commission.


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