Support for Rodham Clinton Falls to 26% in U.S.

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Fewer American voters are enthused about a prospective presidential candidacy by former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 26 percent of respondents say they would definitely vote for the Democratic New York senator in 2008, down three points since late March.

Rodham Clinton—a Democrat—was elected to the United States Senate in 2000, defeating Republican Rick Lazio by 12 percentage points. 58 percent of respondents believe it is very or somewhat likely that Rodham Clinton will be the Democratic nominee in 2008.

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[TomInTib]

1. And rightfully so..

HRC will be much more effective as a seated Senator than as a defeated Presidential candidate.

[Dulcinea]

17. Agreed.

And I think that's where she'll stay, at least for now. Hillary for President is just a right-wing wet dream.

[Terran1212]

70. A lot of people think she's "far left"; DEMOCRACY first!

I'm a senior at a georgia high school and had a huge argument with my very right wing government teacher, who think's she's some kind of far left demagogue. He doesn't understand that most of her politics are actually right wing, and that's the reason much of the Left itself won't endorse her. Others just don't like to vote for a woman.

This country is a stupid and unfunny joke when it comes to democracy. "We must choose between these elites in Congress or not choose at all!" Why not choose real working people with good and clean records and back them? Why choose one of these hyper powerful people who get too much TV time proportional to their accomplishments? WE the PEOPLE, damnit. Not we the multimillionaire candidates for the Presidency!

I hate how we are ushered into choosing who we don't want to and then getting much less out of our leaders than we deserve

[pokercat999]

75. There are now around 300 million Americans. It seems

ridiculous to me that we have to re-elect the same old tired people over and over. One term and out FOREVER, never to serve in any federal office or to lobby the federal gov't, all federal offices.

[Terran1212]

76. Good idea!

[Voltaire99]

84. Well said.

Our political class is useless.

HRC typifies much of what is wrong with it: she's an opportunistic, pandering corporate and military lackey, as devoid of principle as a Magic 8-Ball and just as likely as one to spout a euphemism.

Your idea of running normal people for office is a good one, but the barriers to entry are enormously high: you need money and the machine. Driving out the careerists--say, through sharp term limits--would be necessary. Meanwhile, deepening public disenchantment with the system is also a positive sign: it opens the possibility, at least, of reform.

[pokercat999]

95. Money and the machine....there are exceptions

Of course the former Governor of MN, Jesse Ventura and Big John a county supervisor in Volusia County Fl (daytona bch) come to mind. Big John officially changed his name so it could be on the ballot as "Big John". Mr John took great pride in the fact he spend almost no money on his campaign and beat party insiders. I'm sure there must be other examples out there.

Like my daddy used to say "If it was easy every body would be doing it". Term limits would make it just a little easier.

My guess is that if we imposed these sharp term limits and blocked people from turning public service into a life long gravy train most of the current crop would suddenly have better things to do with their time.

[Blue_Tires]

102. good points nt

[CANDO]

101. There is hope for our future!

And you are proof of it, Terran1212. You are so right on with Hillary being more right than left. I say she should do her part for our nation as a good Senator from New York. I want Al Gore to run. He gets my vote if he does. Spitzer, Obama, or Edwards for his running mate.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

2. It seems...

... the ones who keep on mentioning Hillary in 2008 are the GOP spinmeisters. Is this a signal that even their spin has lost it's spin?

[Warren DeMontague]

3. C'mon. We need one of the usual suspects to show up and tell us

about how she's the "FRONT RUNNER" (she is! she is!!!) again.

[leveymg]

22. Or, that she isn't running. Sure.

:rofl:

[bluestateguy]

4. Hillary does not pass the "white men in Mississippi test"

She is all the Republicans need to mobilize their base.

And you thought they hated BILL Clinton? You ain't seen hatred until you get a right winger started about Hillary.

[IndianaGreen]

38. Progressives, antiwar and anti-globalists don't like Hillary either!

Were she the Democratic nominee, she will have to dodge artillery shells from both her political flanks, with no assurance that the mushy middle will support her.

Hillary will only succeed in energizing the GOP.

[Triana]

45. This is why the Republicans and media keep touting her...

...They WANT her to run and that's why. She CAN'T WIN. Thing is, she never said she's running. THEY did.

[Triana]

44. "You ain't seen hatred until you get a right winger started about Hillary.

Ain't that the truth. They shrivel in hatred whenever her name is mentioned. There is NO ONE they hate more than her.

[Canuckistanian]

99. And yet, if you ask them why, they can't answer.

They just KNOW because Rush, Hannity et al told them that Hillary would be a disaster.

[Virginia Dare]

58. Do you see any potential Democratic candidate who does?..

just picking your brain...I know it's Friday and all...

:hi:

[converted_democrat]

97. Edwards could.. n/t

[tabasco]

79. Yeah, but ask them why.

I heard a wingnut start talking about "that bitch Hillary Clintoon!"

I said the only thing she ever did to me was try to get me some health insurance.

I asked him what his reasons were for hating her and he couldn't give an answer!

Although I am no fan of H. Clinton myself, I find the irrational hatred of her unfathomable.

[anotherdrew]

80. thos people are like mindless robots, it's sad really.

they could have had thoughts of their own, they just never learned how or forgot I guess.

[newspeak]

91. you can't fathom why they hate her?

because they have been told over and over again by our glorious media and the hate spewing spinmeisters, to hate her. And, being that some morans are so accommodating, that's what they do--they hate her because daddy told me to hate her!!!

[CatholicEdHead]

90. It is a simple Pavlovian response after years of right wing radio

and Faux News. No more no less.

[951-Riverside]

5. I'd love to see the numbers for Laura Bush & Condileewhatever Rice

I want to see how stupid America really is I know there are morons out there who view those two incompetent freaky looking bitches in higher regards than Hillary

[Josh]

6. Ouch.

"Freaky looking bitches." Wow.

[lutefisk]

51. Rice does come out better that Clinton in polls

http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm#misc

There are a couple of Clinton-Rice polls in The above link.

I think Rice could very well play a part in 2008- maybe "Swift-boat" the Democratic candidate as a racist (all the networks would help, I'm sure), and run Rice to actually win with the African American vote. Or how about install Jeb as VP in 2007 (when Dick is either indicted or in a nursing home), then run a Jeb-Condi '08 ticket? There are many scenarios...

[bklyncowgirl]

86. Other Democrats don't fare much better.

I'm no Hillary fan. I'd like to see Gore get into it or if he doesn't I like Russ Feingold but--Gore gets trounced in these polls even worse than Hillary. Kerry also gets clobbered.

Hopefully the Fundamentalists will help out by giving McCain nothing for the cost of his soul by either denying him the nomination or staying home if he is nominated but there's no guarantee of that.

[IndianaGreen]

92. Condi is a pathological liar and a war criminal

As much as I dislike Hillary, it is a no-brainer to me who I will support if it came down to Bush's assassin or Hillary.

[Virginia Dare]

59. Condi had majority support of the Americans in the latest FAUX poll...

she's doing such a good job for us I can see why
:sarcasm:

[wookie294]

7. Reich Wingers keep touting Hillary

The only people truly enthusiastic about Hillary are Republicans. They are dying for her to be the next Democratic presidential nominee.

[Rechan]

8. Good

Seriously, we do not need to piss off every single Right Winger and send them into the polls.

Also, Hillary's on Wal-Mart's board of directors. Backstabber.

[Ronnie]

34. According to wakeupwalmart.com

---The senator served on the Wal-Mart board from 1986 to 1992, and was close with the Walton family that created the nation's largest retailer.

But the senator signaled a new stance on the company's business practices in a speech last week, when she told the U.S. Conference of Mayors that the company should provide better worker benefits.

"Cities and states are saying we can't keep holding the bag here," Clinton told the conference, citing a new Maryland law requiring Wal-Mart to spend 8 percent of payroll in health benefits or contribute to insurance plans.---

http://blog.wakeupwalmart.com/ufcw/2006/02/hillary_clinton.html

[ktlyon]

57. thanks for clearing it up

both are from Arkansas right?

[Norquist Nemesis]

55. ummm...check your facts on that one

She hasn't been on the BoD for almost fifteen years.

Welcome to DU!

[truthisfreedom]

9. whatever, people. i'd vote for mickey mouse this time, just like last time

if he was running on the Dem ticket. minnie as well.

[Golden Raisin]

10. And people like Rove/Delay

will make sure Mickey and Minnie "lose" just like Gore and Kerry.

[truthisfreedom]

26. whatever. i'm voting Dem. what are you doing?

cheerleading for the opposition?

[Pab Sungenis]

33. No....

We're trying to get the strongest Democrat as our candidate. That's not Hillary.

[FiveGoodMen]

72. I plan to vote for the Democrat so I sure hope the DNC endorses one!

[Crunchy Frog]

28. I'd vote for him

but I wouldn't expect him to win.

[Peter Frank]

11. Fuck Hillary (although I personally like her)...

It would be political suicide to give her the nod in '08. This has nothing to do with her gender or her connection with Bill.

She's a north-eastern senator -- and she ain't no John Kennedy.

[lumpy]

65. I think it has a lot to do with gender.

There, I said it. I don't think even the republican's darling, Libby Dole, could make it. Womens lib has come a long way but in the hearts of most men women are still considered the 'weaker sex'.

[bling bling]

83. Yes. It has a whole lot to do with gender.

And anyone who argues with you on that point is either in denial or naive. Unfortunately, it's not just the hearts of men, either. Many, many women (especially in older generations), would never trust a woman to be the President.

[loudsue]

12. GREAT NEWS!!!

I'm glad a lot of people are waking up!

:kick::kick::kick:

[Peter Frank]

14. Agreed...

:kick:

[goforit]

74. Yes yes yes!!!.........Get the message Hillary..Corruption won't last!

[vssmith]

13. Americans have come to the point where they are sick of

this war. The best candidate IMHO is one who can say, "I was against the war from the very beginning." Anyone who is a Senator would have to have voted againt the authorization to go to war.
Is it possible that both political parties could put forward candidates who voted for the war? That is exactly the scenario if we have McCain vs Clinton. What a travesty I am thinking.

[Peter Frank]

15. You're close IMO - Who will challenge the official version of 911?... n/t

[Protagoras]

47. well considering the Magic Bullet is still the official

explaination for the Kennedy killing, I'm thinking it'll be a few generations before we get anyone at the top even willing to LOOK at what might have actually been behind 9/11.

[cyclezealot]

16. I always thought when you act like a cameleon

that is how you are perceived. I think some people are more likely to support you even if they don't agree with you 100%, as long as you stand for something.

[Peter Frank]

18. Well Said...

Hillary is a poser.

[cyclezealot]

25. at the same time, I think it a shame

She is a bright woman. Offers lots of promise. But, then Bill Clinton failed us on Nafta, 96 Communications bill, welfare. I know they know better . For a New York senator, I expect more.
New York has standards to meet. Robert F.Kennedy, Jacob Javits, Kenneth Keating, Robert LaFolette, John V. Lindsay. Don't forget Charles Goodell. How New York ever get an so many half way informed repukes . Think I would almost trade in a Hillary Clinton for a John V. Lindsay.
lets hope she finds her roots.
BIggest gripe- same as with Kerry. Voted for Bush's lies in Iraq. Informed American's knew better.
FOrget, did she vote for Bush's new bankruptacy bill?

[LionInWinter]

32. She didn't vote on the bankruptcy bill.

Bill was having his surgery that day in New York, so she was out of Washington.

[SOS]

64. She voted for it the first time....

December 2000. Vetoed by her husband.

PBS NOW with Bill Moyers
02-06-04

WARREN: One of the first bills that came up after she was Senator Clinton was the bankruptcy bill. This is a bill that's like a vampire. It will not die. Right? There's a lot of money behind it, and it…

MOYERS: Bill, her husband, who vetoed…

WARREN: Her husband had vetoed it very much at her urging.

MOYERS: And?

WARREN: She voted in favor of it.

MOYERS: Why?

WARREN: As Senator Clinton, the pressures are very different. It's a well-financed industry. You know a lot of people don't realize that the industry that gave the most money to Washington over the past few years was not the oil industry, was not pharmaceuticals. It was consumer credit products. Those are the people. The credit card companies have been giving money, and they have influence.
She has taken money from the groups, and more to the point, she worries about them as a constituency.

Votes in favor. Urges veto. Now that's leadership!

[cyclezealot]

69. that's what I thought I remembered.

[Maribelle]

19. Why Republicans are stealing this nation blind

This thread is your archetypal illustration of why democrats lost in 2000 and again in 2004. Bash Hillary all you want. But don't let me see y'all crying if 2006 brings even more republican corruption and pilfering.

Or perhaps that's why your bashing Hillary at this stage, no?

[benburch]

21. "Bash"?

When one says that they do not support her, support he views of the future, support her views on war, support her views on Democratic Ideals, that is a "Bash"?

If that is what you meant, I have nothing but contempt for that point of view.

[Maribelle]

23. But ...

one did not do that in this thread, did one?

My view of this thread is simply based on the posts in this thread. Save your contempt for real issues.

[EFerrari]

35. But we didn't lose in 2000 and we probably didn't lose in 2004. n/t

[sendero]

41. We're not allowed..

... to think that Hillary cannot win? Sorry, but nobody who will lose the South in a landslide can win the presidency.

The hatred that some have for Hillary is not fair, but to ignore it would be political suicide. The fact that she not only pisses off wingers with an efficiency unmatched by any other politician, but also has alienated the Dem base very effectively makes her a singularly bad nominee, and you can like it or not.

[station agent]

54. Why I'm bashing Hillary

is because of her fundraising. I know we need to raise money to compete, but she's doing it to the point of losing credibility. Plus, if the next president is so beholden to special interests, they can't reform the system. What's the point?

[benburch]

20. I will do ANYTHING in my power to keep her from being our nominee.

She does NOT represent my views on the future of America or the ideals of the Democratic Party.

[SoCalDem]

24. We need a new breed of politician in DC

We don't need dynastic leaders .

[Crunchy Frog]

27. Thank God for that.

Maybe people are getting wise to the RW manipulation that's been trying to shove her down our throats.

[TomClash]

29. Facts of Political Life

Who else is there? Frankly, I'd actively support, contribute to and campaign for almost anyone who is a Dem and can win. Gore and Dean are not running and I don't think Kerry makes it, even if he tries again. Maybe a new face emerges - Warner, Bredesen, Richardson, Feingold come to mind - but organization and cash are hard to come by for these people. No one but Kerry and Dean really ran well in the '04 primaries so I'm not hopeful about the others - much as I like and admire John Edwards and Wes Clark.

I have voiced similar concerns about Hillary to someone recently - particularly that she has moved too far to the right. He pointed out that she has the two things - access to money and a very good organization - that no one else has. And don't underestimate her ability to shut out other contributors in NY. A few top contenders is already feeling a little lonely on the NY fundraising circuit.

She's also a damn good campaigner. Study her NY win - particularly the upstate results. She did very well in places that have a lot more in common with Indiana and Kentucky than New York City.

[Triana]

30. WHO SAID she's running?

I get pretty sick of the MEDIA and Republicans shoving Hillary down our throats. She said herself a while back she did not intend to run. I never heard HER say she did. Are these people delusional? This is irrelevant "news". They need to stop humping the 'Hillary for President' meme. There's no joy there except as an inside 'joke' for the RepubliMedia. And it's an old worn out one, at that. They need to move on. There really is NOTHING to see here, at least until Hillary HERSELF says she's running and all I've heard her say is the opposite.

:wtf:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. Why are you getting so irritated about this?

[Triana]

42. Just tired of the Republimedia

shoving stuff down our throats as fact, when it may not be. I see it as manipulation and it probably is.

[Virginia Dare]

60. I'll be the first one in line to vote for her...

against ANY Republican out there.

edited: because I posted in the wrong place, wasn't in response to your post, sorry.

[IndianaGreen]

39. Why has she raised millions of dollars more than what she needs?

She is either going to pocket that money, or she is going to use it for a Presidential run.

[Triana]

43. Who knows, but...

...I'm not assuming she's running until / unless she (or at least someone besides Republicans and the media) says so.

[brentspeak]

52. Hillary Clinton has tailored her views as if she's a prez candidate

You haven't noticed her mugging for the camera to speak about the Iraq War in almost hawk-like terms? She was trying to present herself to the American public as someone who could be trusted to run a strong national defense (though, in truth, invading and occupying Iraq is probably one of the most effective ways an idiot president (i.e., Bush) can weaken America's national defense). You also didn't notice Hillary's big soapbox speeches on the need to do something about violent video games? That was an obvious attempt at impressing both the mainstream "soccer mom" and "morals crowd" sectors.

[Orsino]

94. How do you think they get her numbers down to 26%? n/t

[AzDar]

36. Good...better to get this out of the way now. n/t

[noonwitch]

37. It's too early to say she can't win

Bill Clinton probably had about a 26% name recognition in 1990, nationwide.

[IndianaGreen]

40. Hillary is not Bill

and the country is weary of political dynasties!

[brentspeak]

53. Make no mistake -- Hillary Clinton has 100% name recognition today

You're comparing apples with orange groves.

[ramapo]

46. A bad, bad idea

She was a lightening rod for hate during the Clinton years, just like Bill. She's doing a good job as Senator and she should be happy with that. She is too devisive. This has nothing to do with her policies and abilities, although her policies have become the typical wishy0washy DemSpeak.

[David__77]

48. I hope she doesn't run.

She's seen as too much of a "political whore." And there appears to be a real basis for such a view of her.

[suston96]

49. Looks like...

...the Republicans want all liberals to do exactly what we are doing. A Rasmussen poll? Did you folks even read the questions and look at the results?

I don't know why all this Hillary hate but I know one thing and I will bet money on it: The Republicans do not want her running in 2008 or 2012.

And for whatever reason, so many Democrats on the blogs are saying the same thing.

[brentspeak]

56. Er...no

[David__77]

62. No, this is what I believe.

I do not agree with her politics. Her position on international is completely unacceptable to me. She has no problem at all with the US launching wars of aggression, though I'm sure hers would be in the name of "human rights."

[brentspeak]

50. Hopefully, this puts an end to all talk about a Hillary run for prez

And now that the message has been made loud and clear, Hillary can stop playing the DINO and start acting like a real Democrat.

[trogdor]

61. I'd rather have a candidate who can win.

While I realize that the Republican Noise Machine will be turned full-force upon whoever the Democrats nominate, I would prefer that the Republicans have to make up new noise first, rather than pull it off the shelf.

[RBInMaine]

67. YES! Hillary just can't win nationally!

I like Hillary, as do most of us Dems. But face the reality folks, SHE CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION! What red state does she have a very good chance of turning blue, which MUST happen in '08??? None or next to none is the honest answer. In fact, we risk losing some blue states with a Hillary run. Keep her in the Senate where she does the most good. She's just too polarizing nationally, and that's just the plain and honest truth. We need to look at people like Mark Warner, Bill Richardson, Tom Vilsack and other Governors from red or very purple states. Remember that 4 of the 5 last Presidents were former Governors from western or southern states. Another northeastern legislator won't cut it, even if her last name is Clinton. And while I'd love to see a woman President, ain't happenin' in '08. As in '92, we gotta be very real this time folks and put up someone with broadbased appeal who can make inroads into red territory, and preferably a Governor. BUT FIRST, LET'S TAKE BACK THE CONGRESS IN '06!!

[WhiteTara]

63. triangulate that Hillary

your warmongering ways don't sit well with the rest of us. Get a clue. Act like a democrat or change parties and be what you really want to be: a Rich ruler. Oh, right, you can't they don't like you at all.

[zann725]

66. The 'talking heads' on MSM...last night, Larry King...asked Ted Kennedy

about Hilary's possibility as '08 candidate. Ted laughingly replied that another excellent Massachusett Senator was STRONG candidate, "Kerry," was 'considering' running...'seriously.'

Larry King, after quickly losing his breath, immediately changed the conversation back to "wonderful" Hilary.

I'm tired of such obvious prodding 'puke' from MSM re: Hilary.

[blm]

71. I think there is a Kennedy philosophy and a Clinton one battling it out

behind the scenes of the Dem party. They agree on much, but also disagree in crucial ways.

[oasis]

77. Hillary. H-i-l-l-a-r-y. Hillary. (eom)

[no name no slogan]

68. Worst of both worlds: A Rockefeller Repub seen as a Kennedy Liberal

Hillary's views and positions are very much in line with the pre-Reagan GOP: fiscally conservative, hawkish on national security, and moderate on social issues. She'd fit quite well into Jerry Ford and Nelson Rockefeller's Republican Party.

Unfortunately, she's been painted as a bra-burning socialist by the media.

Which gives us the worst possible candidate: a conservative who will be persecuted because she's "too liberal", but who will swear until she's blue in the face that she's NOT a liberal and has "mainstream values".

Democrats who run as moderate Republicans lose. It happened to Kerry. It happened to Dukakis. The only way to get people out to vote for you is by giving voters a REAL choice: a pro-war candidate vs. an anti-war candidate. An elitist candidate vs. a populist candidate.

Let's not repeat the mistakes of 2000 and 2004 again.

[savemefromdumbya]

73. Hillary is a very capable lady

She would actually be good as a President. However, other polls (can't remember where I saw them) said 67% for Al Gore.

[Walt Disney]

78. I hope she can read the tea leaves. Because if she seeks the

nomination, she will be hard to beat. Then again, Dean was the money man in '04.

[Miss Chybil]

81. 58% say she's too far left of center - Why do you believe Rasmussen now?

Seems, once upon a time, people here were screaming about Rasmussen being a winger poll, but now it's gospel? Make up your minds.

[HuffleClaw]

82. FAKE news isn't 'latest breaking news'... ...but i digress

rasmussan is the republican pollster iirc. probably why '58 percent' feel she'll be the nominee. this republican obsession with hillary is somewhat amusing though.

[nolabels]

88. No news is bad news for republicans and this is no news

Corporations, Republican appointed federal judges and politicians installed by way of slush funds and diebold are faultless, so what else would you expect them to get on about :shrug:

[Voltaire99]

85. Couldn't happen to a nicer triangulator.

So sorry, Hill; back to voting for wars, rather than waging them.

[SaveElmer]

87. Not too bad this far out...

52% of the American people say they will definitely vote for her President, or may vote for her depending on her opponent...

Not bad this far out, seeing as she has not announced she is running for anything but Senate, and of course has not campaigned.

Plenty to build on there!

I'd like to see the same polling on the rest of the potential candidates!

[oasis]

103. Hillary, Kerry, Gore, Edwards or Clark. All excellent candidates. Hill

has a commanding lead over a talented field. She can fundraise with the best of them.

I predict Hill'll take the lion's share of the soccer mom vote with a strong national security personality, like Clark, on the ticket.

[niallmac]

89. 26%. Good news. eom

[Orsino]

93. And * still rates 33%?

I call BS. What exactly would he have to do to see his support fall to 26%?

Oh, I know: wait two months.

[Haole Girl]

96. Do you think she peaked too soon?

I might be wrong, but it seems like her last 4 years of "campaigning" are starting to wear a little thin on voters. It doesn't help when she seems to change her positions every other month.

That said, she would be an excellent President, if given the chance. She's probably one of the most intelligent people to ever run for public office. But, she made some very large strategic mistakes. It's probably too late now, since her voting record leaves such a controversial paper trail.

[Placebo]

105. Has she really been campaigning though?

Seems to me that she's been trying to keep a low profile but the MSM can't stop covering her every move and throwing around "presidential run" every 2 seconds.

[cyr330]

98. I can't stand her

I have always been one of her supporters, but with her pandering to the right, I really can't stomach her anymnore. If she thinks that any Repigs will vote for her, based on her support for the war, etc., she has got another thought coming to her. All she's done is alienate her base.

[Jack Rabbit]

100. That could be because she's been talking more

. . . and saying less.

[Danieljay]

104. Gore/Feingold !!!!!!! n/t