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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:45 AM
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Iran shells Kurd positions in Iraq-Kurd official
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L21121431.htm

SULAIMANIYA, Iraq, April 21 (Reuters) - Iranian forces shelled Iranian Kurdish guerrilla positions inside mountainous northern Iraq early Friday morning to repel an attack, an Iraqi Kurdish official said.

"This morning Iranian Kurdish fighters infiltrated the border into the Iranian side and the Iranian army bombed the area and repelled them. The shelling hit Iraqi land at Sidakan," said Saadi Pira, an official in the leading PUK Kurdish party.

There was no word on casualties in the shelling of the Iranian Kurdish rebels of the Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK). Sidakan is about 80 km (50 miles) north of the northern Iraqi city of Arbil and about 10 km (6 miles) inside Iraq from the Iranian border.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards have previously clashed with PJAK separatists in Iran's restive western borderlands.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:47 AM
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1. Shit! Shit! Shit!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:48 AM
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2. Amazing what a VP's daughter and a few million $ can stir up...
Of course, it doesn't take much to stir up the Kurds who feel their rightful homeland is unfairly divided among a handful of nations.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:15 AM
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9. The Shias in Iraq won't let the Kurds secede from Iraq
The Shias in Iran won't let theirs secede from their country. The Turks won't let the Kurds anywhere form a separate nation. The Syrians will smash any Kurdish separatism within their borders.

And then we have what non-separatist Kurds have to say:


"Clinton, like Bush, is really using the Kurds to justify her own political ends"


Published on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 by CommonDreams.org

Hillary Clinton and George Bush: No Friends of the Kurds

by Sureya Sayadi


When Hillary Clinton was at Brown University on April 8 giving a speech on “Women Leaders,” I accepted an invitation from students to join their protest. Why would I, a Kurdish woman, protest Hillary Clinton? Hillary Clinton is a great supporter of the war in Iraq, and like many others in the U.S. government, has used the suffering of the Kurdish people to prove the moral righteousness of the occupation. But Clinton, like Bush, is really using the Kurds to justify her own political ends, and refuses to address our real problems—lack of adequate services, corruption, continued human rights abuses in the region, and the fact that our refugees cannot yet return home. And all of these problems are exacerbated by the violence raging throughout the rest of Iraq that is due, in large part, to the presence of US troops.

<snip>

Many people, including George Bush and Hillary Clinton, have said that the Kurds are the big winners in the war in Iraq, the great success story. And while we are thankful to be free of Saddam and the Kurdish areas are more tranquil than the rest of Iraq, I think the recent unrest in Halabja exemplifies the betrayal many Kurds feel. Halabja was the city in which Saddam Hussein gassed more than 5,000 of my people in 1988. In a protest on March 16, 2006 against the corruption of the current government, demonstrators burned down a museum dedicated to the victims of the gassing. Though this may seem strange at first, the protesters were making the point that the city has never been properly rebuilt, that most of the people living there are still poor. The survivors, many of whom are coping with genetic mutations and psychological trauma, have inadequate access to health care, housing and other basic services.

The Kurdish government, portraying this incident as the work of fundamentalists, is trying to divert attention from the real problems—that the occupation of Iraq and the ensuing violence has left no time or money to concentrate on peoples’ needs. The 17-year-old Kurdish student who was shot in the chest point-blank by Kurdish guards was not a fundamentalist but a young man who cared about the well-being of his people. His name, by the way, was Kurdistan, and we should honor his death.

Kurds are also upset by one of the fundamental contradictions in U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East: the U.S. propensity to condemn one country's human rights abuses while turning a blind eye to others. While the U.S. government supposedly supports Kurdish rights by deposing Saddam, it still gives millions of dollars in aid to Turkey, a country actively repressing its own Kurdish population.

No one embodies this paradox more than Hillary Clinton. I remember watching Clinton on Kurdish TV as she visited my hometown of Kirkuk in February 2005. She arrived surrounded by Kurdish guards and helicopters, and she sounded very concerned about the fate of my people. Yet, she also visited Turkey and expressed her admiration for Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic, for his great contribution to humanity and praised Turkey for preserving cultures. That is like praising the American founding fathers for exterminating the Native Americans. Ataturk was the first person who banned the Kurdish language in Turkey, cutting out the tongues of those who spoke it in public.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0419-20.htm
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:33 AM
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11. one of the many reasons I can't stand clinton
not even repuke lite anymore, is she? :puke:
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:50 AM
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3. Not a coincidence
This attack is a blatant deliberate provacation, and the Iranians responded in exactly the worst way. There will be some backslapping at the whitehouse today.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:51 AM
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4. here we go
I have a bad feeling about this. Who needs nuclear weapons, killing innocent Iraqi civilians inside the US territory of Iraq will be the justification that George feels he needs to declare war, with or with out the consent of Congress.

I just have a bad feeling about border skirmishes like this.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:54 AM
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5. i thought the explosion at the radio station
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 07:55 AM by bigscott
was just an excuse by the Nazi's to invade Poland
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:06 AM
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7. bigscott is feeling the same chill I am
Specifically, bigscott refers to the Gleiwitz Incident, a subset of Operation Himmler, the German attempt to create a false justification for the invasion of Poland.

I'm getting genuinely concerned.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:36 AM
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12. I am scared shitless
:scared:
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:20 AM
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14. also Soviet-Finland war 1939
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 09:20 AM by legin
The Shelling of Mainila was a military incident on November 26, 1939, during which the Red Army imitated shooting at the border village of Mainila, Russia while pretending that the shelling originated from Finland and claiming losses in personnel, thus getting a great propaganda bonus that launched the Winter War four days later.

According to the archives of Soviet party leader Andrei Zhdanov the entire incident was orchestrated in order to paint Finland as an aggressor and launch an offensive. The Finnish side disclaimed responsibility for the attacks and identified Soviet artillery as their source — indeed, the war diaries of the nearby Finnish artillery batteries show that Mainila was out of range of all of them as they had been withdrawn previously to prevent such incidents.

However, in the days following the Shelling of Mainila, the Soviet propaganda machine generated publicity about other Finnish aggression (real or not), renounced the non-aggression treaty with Finland, and on November 30, 1939 launched the first offensives of the Winter War.

Recently after declassifying the related military documentation it was confirmed that the daily reports from troops dislocated in the area did not report any losses in personnel during the time period in question, thus proving the forgery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:05 AM
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6. bullshit
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:13 AM
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8. Sounds familiar? Can you spell N-I-C-A-R-A-G-U-A?
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:20 AM
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10. Sometimes
people willing to send their children to hell for someone else mad fantasy.

Goodnight and Goodluck
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:12 AM
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13. Gulf of Tonkin?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:24 AM
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15. US Navy was providing cover for South Vietnamese incursions
into North Vietnam, which led to the torpedo boat "attack" on the USS Maddox.

Now the US is using a Kurdish terrorist organization to elicit a response from Iran.

How about having the Kurds wear blue UN helmets?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 12:07 PM
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16. and look at the increased bombing runs in no-fly zones during 2002
in an effort to goad Saddam into attacking.

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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:22 PM
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17. So, this is the new plan for Iraq and the first plan for Iran?
Wonderful what money and weapons can do for the only super power. No one is going to fall for this shit. If Iran was attacked or invaded, they have every right to bomb the hell out of northern part of Iraq where the Kurds are. It's called self-defense. They have more legitimate reason for whatever they do than the US had for invading Iraq.
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