CNN/Reuters: Experts: Global warming behind 2005 hurricanes

[DeepModem Mom]

Experts: Global warming behind 2005 hurricanes
Tuesday, April 25, 2006


Hurricane Katrina was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane in 77 years.

MONTEREY, California (Reuters) -- The record Atlantic hurricane season last year can be attributed to global warming, several top experts, including a leading U.S. government storm researcher, said on Monday.

"The hurricanes we are seeing are indeed a direct result of climate change and it's no longer something we'll see in the future, it's happening now," said Greg Holland, a division director at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.

Holland told a packed hall at the American Meteorological Society's 27th Conference on Hurricanes and Tropical Meteorology that the wind and warmer water conditions that fuel storms that form in the Caribbean are "increasingly due to greenhouse gases. There seems to be no other conclusion you can logically draw."

His conclusion will be debated throughout the week-long conference, as other researchers present opposing papers that say changing wind and temperature conditions in the tropics are due to natural events, not the accumulation of carbon dioxide emissions clouding the Earth.

Many of the experts gathered in the coastal city of Monterey, California, are federal employees. The Bush administration contends global warming is an unproven theory....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/04/25/global.warming.hurricanes.reut/index.html

[Whoa_Nelly]

1. This year's hurricane is going to be one to watch

and will probably disprove the BushCo junta's take on global warming that it's "just a theory".

[rodeodance]

2. bush does not have his ears turned on.

[PurityOfEssence]

56. Oh, they're turned on; that's just as well as they work

As we ascend to the heights of selfishness as a nation, it's only fitting that we have a blinkered child of privilege at the helm. (Okay, he's not really at the helm, but the symbolism's fun, isn't it?)

His worldview was frozen at the point that he accepted that he was superior and deserved the fealty of all inferiors. This was probably somewhere around the age of six, if not before.

The ugliness of this nobody is shocking in its extremes: to hoist the "fuck you" flag for all to see is nasty enough when done with aplomb, but when done casually as a given, it's deeply disgusting.

May he live to a ripe old age so he can experience the fallout of his greedy bungling.

[Peace Patriot]

3. Wow! Somebody's SAYING it! That must have taken guts!

Cajones Award to Greg Holland!

:applause: :applause: :patriot: :applause: :applause:

[LSparkle]

4. Check out Australia -- Darwin was supposed to get hit

with a huge tropical cyclone today. It's happening EVERYWHERE ... GLOBAL warming!

[killerbush]

6. Cyclone Monica, that name sounds familiar

Could it be....Nah!!!

[BrightKnight]

21. "...latest cyclone we have had." & 4 * average rainfall year

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200604/s1624252.htm

"A total of 383 millimetres has fallen so far this month and weather bureau forecaster Patrick Ward says that is close to four times the average."

"This time of year it's sort of the clearing up period of the monsoon season and into the dry. It's unseasonably late to get a cyclone. It's just about the latest cyclone we have had."

[Dudley_DUright]

45. 383 millimetres = 15.1 inches

(just for us that have inexplicably still failed to adopt the metric system).

[killerbush]

5. Ya think Bush is going to do anything about it???

If it were up to him, he'd let New Orleans drown because there are just a bunch of dumb black folks down there. But I'll tell you, if a major hurricane hit Orange county California, all them white folks would have gotten back on their feet by now.

[SpiralHawk]

8. This is all made-up Horse Puckey -- a Liberal Conspiracy

I heard it myself from Anal Cyst Oxcontin-Addict Boy (aka Jeff Christie, aka Rush Limbaugh), and he would never steer us wrong, would he?

[kestrel91316]

18. LOL, Orange County has been turning hispanic, and sent Loretta

Sanchez(D) to Congress. It ain't so lily white any more. But we DO still refer to it as "Behind the Orange Curtain".

[ashling]

7. I seem to remember during the

huricanes last year there were "meterologist" and "hurricane experts" on all of the channels saying that this was not the result of global warming. I'm glad somebody is saying this.

[Duer 157099]

9. My homage to David Rees (mnftiu.cc)

[aquart]

10. I am sick with fear for next summer.

I don't even live in the hurricane area. But we don't really know what that will be, anymore, do we?

[Taverner]

35. Even California might start getting hit

Climatologists suggest that if trends continue, hurricanes might form off of the West coast...

[shanti]

51. it's already happening:(

as i mentioned below, sacramento had a few mini-twisters that caused some damage last year - unheard of in previous years.

[lovuian]

11. And George has ignored Global Warming as an issue and

now we head into the 2006 Hurricane Season....

[Ilsa]

12. I have a sister in Wyoming who wanted to come to Texas to

visit family this August. Aside from it being an insane idea due to the heat, we talked her out of it because of last year's busy hurricane season, and the havoc wrought from evacuating, etc.

[progressoid]

13. Uh...gee...no shit?

[ladjf]

14. If that is true, then New Orleans had better hurry up with their

new levees and the Mississippi Coast might have to forget about rebuilding on the coast line.

[BrightKnight]

23. 17' Galveston seawall should be raised.

The 17' 1902 Galveston seawall should be raised to protect against category 5 storms.

A comprehensive coastal hurricane hardening plan would be a good investment.

[ladjf]

25. The 17' wall wouldn't have been tall enough for Katrina on the

Gulf Coast and all of the houses would be permanently blocked from the Gulf. Galveston was built up so that the wall didn't appear to be 17'. They've got a bad problem down there.

[young_at_heart]

15. Please watch the HBO special "Too Hot Not To Handle"

This is a "must see" if you want to learn about what global warming has done and will continue to do if something isn't begun right now! Laurie David, wife of Larry, produced it.

[Cooley Hurd]

16. Kick - "Too Hot Not To Handle" is great!

:thumbsup:

[kestrel91316]

17. NCAR says this?????? OMFG. Hell just froze over.

[nicknameless]

19. Huh? But I thought the Gulf Coast was beaten up on by a giant fetus.

They even showed pichures on the teeeeveee. :silly:

[mconvente]

20. "unproven theory" - what an oxymoron

Theorys, by definition, are not "proven" or "unproven" - they are accepted... fucking BushBots with their "science" knowledge...

the·o·ry (th-r, thr)
n.

1. A systematically organized body of knowledge applicable in a relatively wide variety of circumstances, especially a system of assumptions, accepted principles, and rules of procedure devised to analyze, predict, or otherwise explain the nature or behavior of a specified set of phenomena.

There's Bush and science for you...

[rman]

24. Theories are accepted based on evidence,

which is pretty much equivalent to being proven.
If an idea about how certain aspects of the world work is not proven, then it's a hypothesis.

[Maraya1969]

22. I am seriously making plans to get out of Florida for July August and

September. The thought of going through another hurricane down here scares the shit out of me. And I don't think I am going to be the only one. I am not a snow bird but I'm going to try and make myself one for a few months.

[demo dutch]

53. I 'm trying to leave permantly, who needs that madness every summer!

[Haole Girl]

26. Scientists: 2005 Hurricanes Linked To Global Warming

Scientists: 2005 Hurricanes Linked To Global Warming

Posted on Tuesday, April 25 2006 13:55:21 PDT by Intellpuke

The record Atlantic hurricane season last year can be attributed to global warming, several top experts, including a leading U.S. government storm researcher, said on Monday.

"The hurricanes we are seeing are indeed a direct result of climate change and it's no longer something we'll see in the future, it's happening now," said Greg Holland, a division director at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.

Many of the experts gathered in the coastal city of Monterey, California, are federal employees. The Bush administration contends global warming is an unproven theory...

http://freeinternetpress.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6701

[Haole Girl]

27. Here is another link

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N24341281.htm

[AndyA]

28. 2006 should be a banner year for Hurricanes...just in time for elections!

I hope the horror is still fresh in people's minds as they head to the polls in November. Perhaps a "Republican base" city will get hit hard, and the Republicans will be out in droves voting for Democrats to fix the problems the Republicans have created.

[phantom power]

29. The horror may still be *happening* in November....

The last storm of 2005 didn't end until January 2006.

[AndyA]

31. That's true - Mother Nature may have the ultimate revenge against

the Republicans. Guess she deserves the honor, since they are raping her in such a disgraceful manner.

Doesn't The Bible command mankind to take care of Earth? Wonder how the psuedo Evangelistic Christian Republican Conservatives are justifying their actions on that one?

[shain from kane]

30. Will be dismissed as junk science. n/t

[Haole Girl]

32. I must be blind! Sorry I didn't see this already posted

I hate it when I dig and dig before posting in breaking news, only to find out a thread already existed! Sorry mods, I really don't mean to make your jobs harder.;)

[Tiggeroshii]

33. That's some scary shit.

This is kind of the point that a lot of us were trying to avoid for a very long time. Looks like it's too late.

[killbotfactory]

34. I dunno...

What do energy lobbyists think? I would trust them more than the experts.

[llmart]

36. This cannot be true.....

Rush Limpballs says there's no such thing as global warming and I believe everything he says. He is such an educated man.:sarcasm:

[Odin2005]

37. The Bushbots in the South are going to reap what they sowed.

[leftyladyfrommo]

39. The whole gulf coast could become an impossible place to

live. Only people with RV's that they can move in and out may be able to survive there. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

The Gulf Coast and lots of places in Florida.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

43. We have needed to change how we view the coast for years

It is a lousy place to build permanent structures, especially the Southeast coast, which has always been storm prone. Building on barrier islands, like my native North Carolina's Outer Banks, is begging for devastation by storms.

There was a feature shown several years ago about two towns in the Florida panhandle, one of which was devestated by a tropical storm and one which was not damaged much at all.

The only difference is that the less damaged town did not allow building closer than 500 yards of the ocean.

[demo dutch]

54. Heh! I'm not a Bushbot and I'm in the South!!!!! but trying to get out

[leftyladyfrommo]

38. I am so glad these people are finally really talking about this.

I just wish the world would start talking about it in a meaningful way.

Course they will have to talk about without Geo. Bush because he is such a stupid idiot that he doesn't believe in it.

[lastliberalintexas]

40. The temps in the Gulf are scary

We hardly had any kind of winter down here, and the Gulf is already warm enough for a *strong* tropical system to develop. This season is going to be bad. :(

[leftyladyfrommo]

41. Oh great. And we have had no rain in April;

We usuall get days and days. The drought is just south of us so there is a realy chance we could be getting sucked into it.

[WhollyHeretic]

42. Good thing Bush took away those pesky environmental fuel standards

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[BrightKnight]

44. Canceled strategic reserve deposits before hurricane season.

He has to give the impression that he is trying to to solve the problem.

[Javaman]

46. Newsflash! Water is wet, I repeat, water is wet!!! nt.

[Lisa]

47. I guess NCAR figures it has nothing to lose ...

Since Bush would be deriding their global warming impacts research and trying to scrap their budget, no matter what they said. Their scientists have a very good reputation worldwide (I work with climatologists, and NCAR is one of the top places they refer to) -- so of course they would not do Bush's bidding and lie about "global warming isn't happening and even if it is, it's not related to fossil fuel use, and it's good for us anyway".

[DaDeacon]

48. Well "Big fucking" DUH!

LOL

[Ratty]

49. There is NO WAY they can know that

You can make various models to demonstrate how climate change might contribute to hurricane strength/frequency, but based on a a single season of hurricane activity there is just absolutely no way they can state that global warming is behind this season's or last season's hurricane magnitudes.

"The hurricanes we are seeing are indeed a direct result of climate change"

This guy gives legitimate climate researchers a bad name and only lends ammo to the anti-global warming crackpots.

It is well known hurricane seasons come in cycles, some worse than others. There is simply insufficient evidence to posit with any degree of certitude that this hurricane season is a result of that or global warming. I smell politics at work here. And I hate bad science even more than I hate republicans.

[shanti]

50. when hurricanes/tornados/wind spouts start happening in areas

that normally DON'T have them, there's GOT to be a reason behind it. last year here in the sacramento area, we had a couple of mini-twisters. they are pretty much unheard of here.

[demo dutch]

52. DUH!!!!! Tell George.. oh yeah he doesn't read papers or watch TV

[Carni]

55. Well here's a big F'ing surprise

Common sense told me this last Summer but these experts couldn't have mentioned this before now?

Oh well...bush is way on top of the problem/removing all the restrictions on the pollutant crap in gasoline should really help out in this regard (sarcasm off)

[goodboy]

57. Breaking: Bush* Admin. declares Climate "experts" ENEMY COMBATANTS!!!

Sends NOAA and American Meteorological Society "experts to GITMO!!!

Former Exxon C.E.O to head up National Weather Service, NOAA, National Hurricane Research Institute, and FEMA

Sources say Exxon Chief will get $350,000,000 per year.

Film at 11

/sarcasm

:rofl:

[goodboy]

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