Iran procures new missiles capable of hitting Europe

[lovuian]

Iran procures new missiles capable of hitting Europe

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/709888.html

By Ze'ev Schiff, Haaretz Correspondent

Iran has purchased ground-to-ground missiles from North Korea with a range of 2,500 kilometers, the head of the Israel Defense Forces Intelligence Branch, Major General Amos Yadlin, said Wednesday.

While Iran already possessed missiles capable of reaching Israel, the new weapons pose a threat for countries in Europe and parts of the Middle East that have now come into Iranian range.

Some of the missiles have already arrived in Iran, Yadlin said in a lecture in memory of Israel's sixth president Haim Herzog, who was also head of the IDF Intelligence Branch.






The missiles are known in the West as BM-25s, operate on liquid fuel and are single-stage. The BM-25 was originally manufactured in the Soviet Union, where the first generation, adapted for use by Soviet submarines and able to carry a nuclear warhead, was known as the SSN6. After the Russians retired the missiles from service, they sold them to the North Koreans, who developed them to carry a heavier payload.

With this purchase the Iranians have leap-frogged over their Shihab-4 missile with its range of 2,000 kilometers
More...
Iran is going on a spending spree Russia missiles and now North Korea missiles...and Israel is just gonna observe... hmmm :nuke:

[K-W]

1. They look like a nation who thinks they are going to be attacked.

I wonder why.

[Poll_Blind]

2. Israel's PM: Iran's nuclear plans threaten "all of Western civilization"

DU thread right here.

Maybe Condi, Rumsfailed and Boosh are right? Or is someone feeding us a line of crap?

PB

[Bandit]

6. Yes and maybe the sun will rise in the west tomorrow

When have they ever been right about anything? :shrug:

[Supersedeas]

12. Isn't that the same line that was posited with respect to Iraq-reliable

sources????

[tocqueville]

3. Even if they placed the missiles at the Turkish border...

(which wouldn't be very smart) they could only reach at maximum range Eastern European countries or the south of Italy, which doesn't make any strategical sense, except aimed at the US base at Palermo. With a conventional payload the damage would be minimal and on such a distance the missile would be easily taken out by an anti- missile of Patriot or Aster type...

all this is more saber-rattling than a real threat

[PATRICK]

4. They(Israelis) do seem intent

on convincing Europe of the Iranian threat. So the frame for the discussion is their desire to get allies
for action now against Iran. As for the missiles, the ring of US bases and bases further away may be targets. What good, even for spiteful crazed satisfaction(such as picking a nation arbitrarily to be a nuke target demo), would it do to fire anything at anything specifically "European"? NATO bases maybe.

And lest anyone get confused on the time frame. Such missiles will have conventional warheads and be far fewer than what they could receive in return from other nations. Cuba is slingshot distance from the US and has been forever. Israel's own nukes could as easily be turned against Germany or other old pals with more convincing effect.

So why should the equation of Iran's 'evil intent" plus distant nuclear capacity plus present missiles be any different from the equation for other nations who have gone many decades unimpeded and never having launched a scud against mightier neighbors? Political amelioration and the loss of oil clout is in the inevitable future. Nuclear proliferation under Bush policy whether Iran is attacked or not is too. That latter fear will not go away but it is more likely Iran's specific loony threat will, even if it joins the nuclear club like Pakistan- our "ally".

War madness is afoot. If anyone is tempted, like all too many concerned political patsies in DC that "something must be done" it must first be remembered the urgency is phony and the persons responsible for all action against Iran cannot be trusted and will commit atrocities to vindicate that lack of trust.

Dealing with Bush first will correct our whole foreign policy and nuclear policy posture without which nothing positive is possible and worse evils than any threat imagined or real will inevitably result and unnecessarily so.

We have to knock off our problems one at a time. The first in the axis is the fraudulent Coup administration here. Today we have no legitimate leadership capable of dealing with Iran. Time to shed that vestige of national fantasy.

[DELUSIONAL]

5. Iran is following North Korea's example

even buying missiles from North Korea.

Iraq made nice -- made no threats and the US invaded.

North Korea's nut case ruler acts like he is crazy and unstable -- and they've been left alone.

Iran's leader keeps making outrageous statements (Attention Getting Mechanism) and gets press and attention. Perhaps his outrageous behavior and stupid pronouncements will save a few lives -- if so then let him keep making an ass of himself.

All we can do is watch the drama unfold between the two drama queens -- bushie and what's his name in Iran.

[toopers]

10. The N Korea issue has more to do with his having Nukes already . . .

and the neighbors he has.

[Tempest]

7. Where is an independent verification of the sale?

Or are we supposed to blindly believe what Israeli intelligence tells us?

[Snow]

8. Might be worth looking at the North Korean websites,

see what they're saying. Those missles, by the way - one thing not mentioned, while they do have range, accuracy is another matter altogether. They can hit someplace at that range, but just where they hit will be an exciting question every time they launch.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. Terra! Terra! Terra! Some old story....just plug in "Iran" for "Iraq".

[One Honest Guy]

11. Israelis have been trying to convince

the Europeans that the Islamofascists, as Dainel Pipes likes to put it, are out to get em. Anti-semitism and thousands of years of contempt aside, Israelis need Europeans as much as they need Americans. Just look at the map. US of A is pretty far from Israel, and in a case of economic blockade... well...

[LexMan81]

13. Israel: Iran missiles can reach Europe

Iran has received a first batch of BM-25 surface-to-surface missiles from North Korea that put some central European countries within firing range, says the Israeli spy chief.


The Haaretz daily on Thursday quoted Major General Amos Yadlin, Israel's military intelligence chief, as saying that the missiles, bought from North Korea, have a range of 2,500km and are capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

Yadlin has warned of the new Iranian missiles in several recent interviews to the media.

Iran has missiles capable of reaching Israel, but the BM-25 missiles are an upgrade over its top missiles, the Shihab-4 and Shihab-3.

Other Israeli security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorised to speak to the media, said the new missiles would put eastern and parts of central Europe within firing range, including the Czech Republic, Italy and Romania.

The threat of missiles spurred Israel to develop its Arrow 2 anti-ballistic missile system, which can intercept the Iranian missiles.

Israeli concerns have been heightened in recent months by calls of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, to wipe Israel "off the map".

Iranian claims

Iran has also tested several long-range missiles in recent weeks, including a "top secret" missile capable of being fired from military helicopters and jet fighters, the Iranian state-run television said.

Iran also tested the Fajr-3, a missile it said can avoid radar and hit several targets simultaneously using multiple warheads.

Iran also has tested what it calls two new torpedoes.

American intelligence officials have said that Iran is at an advanced stage of developing a missile that can carry a nuclear warhead.

The United States has informed the International Atomic Energy Agency of the details of the Iranian missile programme.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2BB6CAD9-9E22-4773-B2E9-9092DF52A849.htm

[Shilohtd16]

14. In regards to the Fajr-3

It is over-hyped to the max, I would not doubt the North-Korean missles but most of the home grown Iranian munitions are all fluff no stuff.

[Kikosexy2]

27. They didn't...

say in how many minutes it could reach Europe like the British said with Iraq (like 45 minutes??)...yaaaawwwnnnn! all Chicken-little brouhaha coming from Israel....please Israel fight your own battles to exist and leave us non-Israelis out of the fray...we want no part..thank you.

[Shilohtd16]

28. israel does not fear iran

[Kikosexy2]

35. That's fine...

but please leave us non-Israelis out of this...we want no part...If Israel wants to bomb Iran, they should face the consequences for doing so and leave us Americans out of it...but eventually if Israel does bomb Iran, we're gonna get dragged into another messy war and that is just really f*#ked!

[Poll_Blind]

38. Amen! And we're broke and in hock to the tune of $7 T...no more... n/t

PB

[uppityperson]

15. link to earlier today not LBN thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1038913&mesg_id=1038913

BOO!

[bullimiami]

16. and how about israels missiles. or george bushs?

[Shilohtd16]

18. Israel probably has global strike capability

But they are no threat to anyone who does not attack them first, my goodness i met a guy the other day who told me the 6 day war was genocidal, holy cow i ripped down his paper castle quick.

[acmejack]

17. Please check for dupes!

Both of your last two posts are fifteen plus hours old man!

[LexMan81]

19. oh yeah my bad wont do it again

am still new :D

[applegrove]

20. We know Israel is not going to attack Europe. Why the headline?

[DRoseDARs]

23. Notice the : aftr Israel? Israel's sayin Iran has Europe strike ability nt

[applegrove]

24. Sorry. I'm getting confused by all the fear mongering.

[leveymg]

21. Mods: Please combine with an earlier thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1038913

[OKNancy]

30. the other thread is in General Discussion

and can't be combined with this one

[daleo]

22. And European missiles can reach Iran

That's how these things go.

[0007]

26. Don't ya love the way they picture the painted? Not how far

the missiles can travel but how the missiles can reach Europe.

[daleo]

31. Yes, if they can hit Italy

They also ought to be able to hit India, Pakistan and a bit of China. Although, they have no reason to attack any of these places, of course.

[Robbien]

25. Appears the US isn't attacking Iran fast enough for them

so the fear campaign is starting on Europeons.

[HuffleClaw]

29. so?

we should care why?

[Zhade]

40. Yeah, it's not like Iran is SUICIDAL. Its leaders probably prefer living.

I think no one here likes the Iranian government, but this is getting silly.

[ronnie624]

41. Ever will it be a simple thing it seems

to whip up the sensibilities of the ignorant into a frenzy of fear and hatred, even of a country that has no history of aggression against others.

Iran was hardly a part of the national consciousness throughout the nineties. Now, through a consistent and dedicated propaganda campaign the nation has been transformed into the epitome of evil, slavering expectantly over the prospect of attacking anyone and everyone promptly upon the development nuclear weapons.

The ease with which so many are inflamed with a desire to attack others clearly demonstrates the need to place education as priority #1. An informed populace would not be so easily hoodwinked into complicity by the elites in their drive for dominance and wealth.

[Poll_Blind]

32. Israel's PM: Iran's nuclear plans threaten "all of Western civilization"

DU discussion here.

PB

[Poll_Blind]

33. IDF: Iran procures new missiles capable of hitting Europe

DU discussion here.

PB

[Poll_Blind]

34. And now, THIS one: Iran's oil stock exchange, NEXT week

DU discussion here.

The neocons and others will do anything to maintain dominance. Including attacking a country for economic reasons.

I believe in this case, it's one hand washes the other, with Israel and the US doing their damnedest to get the rest of the world to buy into an attack on Iran. If the bourse goes up and runs for even a short time (weeks), the dollar will plummet.

PB

[Scurrilous]

36. Israel raises profile in Iran fray

Israeli satellite will monitor Iran's nuclear program, which faces a UN deadline Friday.

<snip>

"Amid the soaring rhetoric over Western efforts to curb Iran's nuclear program, Israel has been moving into a more proactive position in the campaign to contain Tehran.

This week, Israel launched a satellite to spy on Iran, and its leaders have called on the international community to stop that country from acquiring nuclear weapons. It also accused Tehran of backing Palestinian terrorists.

And as concern here grows over Iran's defiant nuclear drive, one of Israel's leading newspapers reported Thursday that Iran has purchased ground-to-ground missiles from North Korea, extending its range for delivering warheads.

"The Israelis are making a statement that Israel has its own ways and means of defending itself," says Meir Javedanfar, an Iranian-born Middle East analyst based in Tel Aviv."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0428/p01s02-wome.html

[Toucano]

37. But Iran doesn't hate Europe. Maybe Israel should work toward peace

Instead of trying to incite war. Of course some leadership from the "world's only remaining super-power" might help, too.

[ReadTomPaine]

39. I wonder what else Iran has procured from North Korea. n/t

[lovuian]

42. Me too

:argh: