Giuliani Too Liberal for GOP Conservatives

[DoYouEverWonder]

April 27, 2006, 3:55 AM EDT

ALBANY, N.Y. -- One is "America's Mayor," the other is the nation's senior governor.

But ask conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly what chance either Rudolph Giuliani or George Pataki has of capturing the 2008 Republican presidential nomination and her answer comes quickly:

"Not much," Schlafly said. "I don't think Giuliani or Pataki will resonate with grass-roots Republicans or Midwest Republicans. They are SO New York."

Schlafly's out-of-hand dismissal of the former New York city mayor and the three-term New York governor mirrors what pollsters and pundits contend: Giuliani and Pataki, supporters of abortion and gay rights as well as tough gun control laws, are too liberal for the conservative Republicans who tend to dominate the presidential primaries.

To quote a New Yorker, "Fuhgetaboutit."

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-republicans-new-york,0,6815104.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines


Finally someone is admitting the truth about Rudy. He's too damn liberal to make it in the GOP.

[marmar]

1. That shows how wacky the GOP definition of liberal is...

'Cause liberal isn't how I describe Rudy. And besides, I'm sure he'd willingly sell his soul and become an anti-gay Reich winger to get the nomination. I don't credit him with that much character.
:nopity:

[meow2u3]

23. The GOP definition of liberal

is 1) an anything-goes social libertarian or 2) anyone to the left of the extreme right, depending on the context.

[Cronus Protagonist]

44. No, it shows how well their propaganda machine runs

You have to ask yourself who benefits from any given story. Rudy benefits from this one. If the conservatives don't like Rudy, he *must* be a good man, or at least the "swing voters", which I think is a misnomer, they're really the Republicans with a conscience, but that's a whole other subject :)

This is the start of positioning Rudy to be the next BFEE candidate. They think he still has a golden halo because of his work at 9/11, and they still need to polish it a bit for the "centrists".

Pure Gopaganda.



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[TomClash]

2. The comment about Pataki is ridiculous

But she's right about Rudy. His lifestyle was/is a little too interesting for the Republican Party.

His penchant for racial polarization would fit right in with the Repukes though, particularly his ability to use innocent African-Americans as punching bags.

[saigon68]

17. He likes to jail people of color

Especially if they are poor

[xultar]

3. HELLO!!! They are putting this out BECAUSE they want to run him.

Just like they are putting out the stuff on Hillary.

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. He will never make it past the primaries

Too much baggage and on social issues he is liberal.

The irony is that while Clinton was being impeached for a bj, Guiliani was marching in the St. Patrick's Day parade with his mistress, who was also a NYC employee, while his wife and kids still lived with him in Gracie Mansion.

[DinahMoeHum]

22. His positions just don't play well in the Southern states.

n/t

[CottonBear]

31. Yet, Ralph Reed has invited Rudy to GA. It boggles the mind.

Reed's supporters in his bid for GA Lt. Gov. are so goddamned stupid that they have no idea about Rudy's cross-dressing episode, his former gay housemates, his adultery and his liberal social views. All they know is the Faux News Rudy.
:puke:

[DinahMoeHum]

33. Agreed. Normally, folks like Reed wouldn't touch folks like Rudy G.

with a 39-1/2-foot pole because of Rudy's positions on social issues.

But then again, Mr. One-Wing-Short-Of-A-Fairy has probably already soiled his pants over the Tom DeLay/Jack Abramoff scandals. Any day now, HE could be summoned to the tumbrels.


:nuke:

[brentspeak]

40. No, it makes sense

You point out that Reed's Religious Right don't know about Giuliani's liberal views, but if Giuliani runs, do you really think the Democrats will make a Karl Rove-like effort to "out" Rudy as a guy who once dressed in drag and once shared an apartment with some gay guys?

Reed knows the Democrats aren't going to play that kind of dirty politics against Giuliani, and especially since calling Giuliani a "liberal" might make him an attractive candidate for some of the Democratic party's own base. Therefore, the Religious Right rank-and-file will largely be ignorant of Giuliani's background when they enter voting booths.

[CottonBear]

You're right, of course.

Did I mention how much I detest Ralph Reed? He was at UGA when I attended. He was a hypocritical ass then and now. He was kicked off the student newspaper for plagiarism. His opinion columns spouted far right wing college Republican crap.

[CottonBear]

41. Dupe. Delete.

[Cronus Protagonist]

45. Ding Ding Ding! n/t

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[adriennui]

4. he is too liberal for neandrathals

pro-choice, pro gay rights

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Giuliani is a wild card. What concerns me is his unpredictability in that

he could just as easily switch parties to democrat, leaving the party in a quandry of what to do about it. If he could win votes and raise money for them, he wouldn't be turned down.

[Chovexani]

7. "He's SO New York"

Despite all the 9/11 grandstanding your average Red State conservative fundie fuck hates New York and everything this city stands for (diversity, live and let live, art & culture). That is the real reason no one from this area will ever be president, at least in the current environment.

They hate us and deep down wish we got nuked on 9/11 instead...'cause you know we are just Sodom and Gomorrah on the Hudson to these fucks.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

10. Exactly.

They're probably jealous, too.

No Republican stronghold can hold a candle to NYC's art, culture, etc. That's why I say, "Fuck you, Branson, Missouri!" :D

[Chovexani]

14. I am moving to the Phoenix area on Sunday

And I will miss it here, a lot. But I want to be with my partner out there, and we can't afford it here on what we make (I'm 24 and still living at home for this reason).

And yes, fuck Branson, MO. :evilgrin:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

16. You're moving from NYC to Phoenix?

:rofl:

Sorry, couldn't help it.

[Chovexani]

19. I know!

The things people do for love. :D

[geniph]

35. But...but...Phoenix?!

Holy crap, love IS insanity! New York to Phoenix? Ack!

[ronnykmarshall]

28. Now THAT'S true love!

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. You did get nuked

on 9-11. There was a lot of uranium in that dust.

[Chovexani]

13. There sure was, I realize that.

I meant wiped off the map completely, to clarify.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. The same for L.A. and S.F.

Ol' cobwebs on the pie syPhyllis Schlafy would love to see us all dead.

[sendero]

8. And he's too conservative..

... for me. Go figure :)

[bunkerbuster1]

9. Seriously, how many Americans believe Phyllis Schlafly speaks for them?

What a stupid thing to base a news story on.

Let's see--we'll asked dyed-in-the-wool Reich Wingers what they think of what is arguably the most liberal nationally known Republican, even though they've been saying this about him for years.

This is "news?"

[Jamison]

12. He's not TOO liberal...as one Du'er above said.

It's just that some repukes are so far-right (crazy) that even Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler would be too liberal for them.

[skipos]

15. Yeah, Guiliani is so liberal that he has been a loyal Bush cheerleader

for 5 years. :eyes: I realize that he isn't the full blown gay hating, woman hating turd that Frist is, but he is still a turd.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

18. The difference between a turd and a turd with a fly on it.

[saigon68]

29. The difference between a turd and Schlafly's Face

No difference.

Or Chimp's face:


Answer Chimp's face has more chunks of peanuts on it.

[Mz Pip]

20. Schlafly is SO reactionary and intolerant

Her recommendations don't resonate with me. :puke:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[shantipriya]

21. America's Mayor???

Giuliani is the biggest fraud and has used the 911 tragedy to his own benefit.There is nothing he did after 911 that any other Mayor would not have done.

[Cha]

43. giuliani time..

"Ever since the events of 9/11, Rudy Giuliani has become a name recognized the world over. His role as mayor during that catastrophe elevated him to the status of an international hero. He went on to be Time magazine’s “Person of the Year,” receive a knighthood from Queen Elizabeth and become a key fundraiser and energetic campaigner for the Bush/Cheney administration. Over the last years his name has been rumored as a popular choice for not only senator and governor but as America’s envoy to the United Nations, the director of the CIA and a number of other high-profile positions. He is also talked about as a favored candidate for the 2008 GOP Presidential nomination.

But what defined “America’s Mayor” before he was catapulted to a kind of secular sainthood? During the only years Giuliani held office as an elected official, what was his record like? What was behind a Republican “New Urban Paradigm” in an overwhelmingly Democratic city?

During the peak years of the late 1990s, the “new” New York City, awash in tourism and prosperity from the then-booming dotcom economy, was praised as the model of a new urban paradigm. While Giuliani’s local popularity was, at times, extremely low in New York City, it was virtually unquestioned outside of local media that Rudy Giuliani was responsible for a “turnaround” in New York City from a darkly chaotic city to a gleaming, moneyed, safe metropolis. This perception was largely due to high-profile policies like “quality of life” policing, “workfare” and welfare reform as well as a compliant press. Many of these policies were formulated by conservative think tanks like the Manhattan Institute and were watched and emulated by cities all over the world, from London to Mexico City.

But evidence from federal, state and local investigations, along with first-person accounts from communities throughout the city, told a different kind of story. According to many, Giuliani’s brand of politics and politicking racially polarized and divided the city and, during what was economically the best of times, did nothing to alleviate poverty and even exacerbated the disparity between rich and poor. Credit for the “miraculous” reduction in crime, his most lauded success, is still under debate in academic and professional circles."




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[Renew Deal]

24. Pataki doesn't stand a chance.

I'd love to see how Guiliani does with the thumpers.

[Rocknrule]

25. He's left of Hitler (barely), therefore he is too liberal

[CatholicEdHead]

26. The equation is very, very simple

If <> "pro-life"
or
= "pro-choice"
Then
End Primary Run

If <> "Complete removal of all rights for homosexuals"
Then
End Primary Run

<> is not equal to

[anotherdrew]

30. put him in charge of the FBI, been too long since a cross-dresser held it

Even after how Giuliani treated his ex-wife, and EVERYTHING ELSE rotten about the asshole? They should love this pig, he's surely a true republican.

[DanCa]

32. He's a pro choice catholic

We haven't they tried to excumminicate him like they tried with Senator Kerry.

[Placebo]

34. Giuliani will never make it past the crazy conservative Republican base.

I mean, he's appeared on national TV in drag and lived with gay men before, and his views on abortion and gay rights are totally out of the "mainstream" for the WHACKO RIGHT-WING republican primary voters.

[brentspeak]

38. I disagree

The Republicans know that the Democratic party won't stoop to Lee Atwater/Karl Rove campaign tactics like mass mailings showing photographs of Giuliani in drag, or criticizing his pro-stance on abortion and gay rights. Those are Republican tactics. If it was a Democrat in drag, you can be sure that photograph would be displayed on commercial breaks every ten minutes in Red states.

But that won't happen to Giuliani from the Democratic end. Therefore, many Red state voters will never be made aware of Giuliani's liberal views -- and he'll have a strong chance of winning.

[geniph]

36. I can't stand Guiliani myself,

but my reasons are slightly different than ol' Whackjob Shoofly's.

[brentspeak]

37. I'm not buying it. The Repubs WANT Giuliani as their candidate

I think the GOP power elite wants to back out of their reliance on using and exploiting social wedge issues (abortion, gay rights, etc.) They know they can get only so far for so long on a strategy as pathetic as that.

Giuliani is essentially the socially moderate but "tough guy" conservative that country club Republicans pretty much identify with. I believe the GOP is going to go with Giuliani.

[DinahMoeHum]

39. If that happens, the 'Pukes can kiss the Southern states goodbye

The only "country club" most Southerners identify with is in their music:

Chorus:
"Well I'm a member of a country club
Country music is what I love
I drive an old Ford pick-up truck
I do my drink-in from a dixie cup
Yea I'm a bona-fide dancin' fool
I shoot a mighty mean game of pool
At any honky-tonk roadside pub
I'm a member of a country club"

"Country Club" - performed by Travis Tritt

:evilgrin:

[Cronus Protagonist]

46. Who would the Southern states vote for, Hillary?

Don't make me laugh :) They'll vote Republican like they always do. They have no alternative. What would I give for another Ross Perot? Everything. :)



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[Cha]

42. WTF does that mean? "the nation's

senior governor"? Is that something pataki's pr team cooked up?

pataki is trash but then so is schlafly.

[UTUSN]

47. Haha! To Nazis, even a Fascist is "too Liberal"! n/t