Cops called to Staten Island NASCAR meeting

[Julius Civitatus]

NASCAR fans wreak havoc at a council meeting that was debating whether or not to allow the construction of a race car circuit in Staten Island. It seemed likely that it wouldn't happen, since more resident oppose the construction of this thing.

That's when the NASCAR fans that were attending the meeting unleashed hell.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=4123592

Cops called to S.I. NASCAR meeting
Some residents started shoving and yelling during the meeting

(Staten Island-WABC, April 27, 2006) - A public hearing Thursday night about bringing NASCAR racing to Staten Island erupted into an all out shouting match.

Some residents started shoving and yelling during the meeting. The debate surrounds whether to build an 82,000 seat racetrack near the Goethals Bridge.
Eyewitness News reporter Jeff Pegues has the story.

When supporters of the plan and critics clashed in the aisles of the auditorium at the Patrides Educational complex.

City Councilman Andrew Lanza drew the jeers of NASCAR supporters. He's concerned about the planned racetrack drawing a traffic nightmare to Staten Island.

Lanza: "As soon as I voiced that concern, it got ugly in there."

The meeting was shut down just about 40 minutes in and the raucous crowd of about 900 were forced police to bring in reinforcements. (...)

[shenmue]

1. Everything in that title is wrong

That all sucks...

[DainBramaged]

3. It should read "Prejudice by moron prevents job opportunities"

The douche bag concerned about "Traffic" forgets that the races are held on Sundays and would be LESS traffic than a normal commuting workday. Another attempt to prevent jobs for the working class, another attempt to get Republican corruption involved in "redemption" of unused land for their own use. And the moron doesn't understand the revenue it would bring to the Island. Even once a year, but I'm sure the track would be used for Busch and ASA racing too.

[auburngrad82]

40. Have you ever sat in traffic for literally hours before/after a race?

Sunday or not, day or night, traffic in and around a NASCAR race is horrendous. Combine that with the massive amount of alcohol consumed at the track. I've been to many, many NASCAR races. Atlanta International Raceway is in the middle of nowhere and you still sit in traffic for 3-4 hours before and after the race. Bristol, TN is the same way. I'm used to driving in Atlanta rush hour traffic, by most accounts one of the worst cities to drive in, but it's nothing compared to raceday traffic.



Liberal bumper stickers

[DainBramaged]

46. I loved every minute of it

Everyone looks at situations differently. Every race is like a Super Bowl for race fans. The glow doesn't wear off for days even if your driver didn't win.

And some people come to party, just like football fans.

Why people hate auto racing with such a passion boggles my mind.

[auburngrad82]

49. I don't hate it. I've been to many races, NASCAR and non NASCAR

I love the races. But I don't like the traffic that accompanies it.



Liberal bumper stickers

[jakefrep]

47. I have...

..at Michigan, which is even further out into BFE, and the traffic was just as nightmarish as you describe at Atlanta. And that was 15 years ago, before NASCAR got too big for its own good.

This strikes me as a white elephant proposition. Apparently, Watkins Glen isn't close enough to the coveted NYC market for NASCAR's taste.

[Ignacio Upton]

85. Well, Watkins Glen is in Upstate

Which is a whole 'nuther part of NYS. However, the idea of building a track on SI is stupid and a waste of time.

[DainBramaged]

87. THEY RACE AT THE GLEN ONCE A YEAR

One of two road races. Boy, another expert.

[jakefrep]

122. I'm well aware of the fact that they race at Watkins Glen...

I merely wish that NASCAR, if it is going to consider racing at other venues, would take fuller advantage of existing facilities (Mid-Ohio, Road America, and Lime Rock come to mind). Better to use an existing road course (a better test of driver skill) than build another pointless cookie-cutter oval.

[Lars39]

52. But are those jobs paying a living, year-round wage with benefits,

or are they seasonal jobs?

[DainBramaged]

88. The teams are year round, full benefit jobs

The race tracks run more than just one race each season. Most use temp labor for refreshments etc. every weekend.

Folks, just go to www.nascar.com. Learn learn learn.

[progressivebydesign]

94. Nope. They usually run TWO races a year.

Seasonal jobs, and concession stand jobs that pay nothing.. no benefits. And.. the developers bring in non-union laborers to build it. It's bullshit that it creates full time benefit jobs.

[DainBramaged]

105. Wait, here's a phone number

800-215-9658

http://www.roushind.com/html/roush_atglance.htm


Roush is a leading supplier of automotive engineering, development and manufacturing services. We are the world’s largest supplier of integrated motor sports marketing services, and we manufacture and market performance vehicles, crate motors and vehicle components.

Headquartered in Livonia, Michigan, Roush employs more than 2,000 people in over 50 locations throughout North America, Mexico, Germany and the UK.

Call their human resources department and ask what benefit packages they offer their workers. Before you shoot your mouth off.

[henslee]

63. A racetrack in S.I will be an ugly mob controlled disaster. And you

can bet that they were represented at that meeting.

[DainBramaged]

86. Nice bit of stereotyping

UNIONS will be represented at this racetrack, food services, attendants, maybe even the wrecker drivers. But Unions will be represented, so I guess in your mind that's bad.

[pokercat999]

77. Who is going to pay for the track?

If it's NASCAR owned and operated I say fine if it's paid for by tax dollars I say bullshit.

The millions spent on stadiums are NEVER repaid in local jobs or increased business in the area. We would be better off giving the $$ directly to the citizens in the area.

[salin]

128. That was my first thought and question.

[Adelante]

124. Staten Island IS a traffic nightmare

Every day of the week - Sunday is no exception.

[Jack from Charlotte]

7. They was just rubbin'. And rubbin'........ is racin'. (nt)

*

[CottonBear]

2. Somehow, NASCAR on Staten Island doesn't seem right. n/t

[jayfish]

4. Not Only That, But It Seems Like A pretty Risky Proposition...

anyway. NASCAR already runs nearly year-round and every date is already booked at well established venues.

If you build it they will come?

Jay

[DainBramaged]

19. There are some OLD tracks that just aren't worth rebuilding

And NASCAR has been trying to penetrate the NY market for decades.

[jayfish]

24. IMO They've Already Weeded Those Out Already.

The rest are have way too much history to part with. I also like the two races per track, per season regime.

Jay

[One Honest Guy]

5. I just don't get NASCAR or NASCAR fans.

Cars go very fast, in circles? For many hours? Did I miss anything? I mean, I understand there is a certain gaming angle, but other than that?

[0007]

8. I know what ya mean. Just fancy super fast billboards

zipping by....I can't view it as a sport of intelligence.

[DainBramaged]

10. I'm sure you think chess is exciting, or World Series Poker

You don't like NASCAR, fine. 64,000,000 Americans would disagree with you. I being one of them.

[Roland99]

12. Same here. I've always like stock-car and Indy car and F1 racing

Racing is racing.

[The Thomenator]

75. I did too. Something more refined, I think, I can't describe it.

I mean, why would I want to watch rednecks with fake accents ride around and act like idiots and then fight with each other after it's all over? I could have stayed in NC to watch that if I had wanted to. I always liked the Europeans and the wider variety of drivers in the Indy/F1 circuit. I can't wait to see the Will Ferrell sendup of NASCAR coming out soon.

[DainBramaged]

90. OMG, do you know where Tony Stewart comes from?

Or any of the drivers??? More stereotyping.

mean, why would I want to watch rednecks with fake accents ride around and act like idiots and then fight with each other after it's all over?

[carolinalady]

132. Ok to burst your bubble-all Nascar fans are not rednecks nor

do they fight with each other here in NC. Also, I am originally from good old blue state PA. I was up there last weekend for my brother's wedding and as I was reading a local paper, I noticed a classified ad for an exercise bike for sale-25.00 or "will trade for a 30 pack of budlight"!. I felt really proud of my homestate at that moment. LOL. I brought it back to NC with me to show all my newfound "southern redneck friends".

[Haole Girl]

133. Doing this is wrong

I just don't have anything that would really convince anyone how wrong it is to divide Democrats further over NASCAR. It's only going to hurt us. But, if people don't believe how it hurts us, well, then- go ahead- lose more votes.

After all, this strategy really worked for us in 2004, right? :sarcasm:

[DainBramaged]

137. The Democratic party, we agree to disagree while losing

and the Republicans steal the votes. I thought some here would wake up after the "NASCAR dad/family valuers" fiasco of 2004, but it appears that folks who like NASCAR even if they are registered Democrats, are not good enough for the extremists here.

I promise, if we lose this year, I'll tear up my voter registration and quit here forever. I will not go through three years of piss ant arguments with people who don't understand what "the common good" means.

If some here can't put aside their petty bullshit to elect members of Congress who can stop the death machine of this Administration, all is lost.

[Jack from Charlotte]

38. I've got a prediction for you, Dain......

Jr. either wins the poll or the race at Tally this weekend. This is one of those sentimental opportunities that comes along in NASCAR every few years. Example.... The Petty kid gets killed and the next race.... Kyle Petty, who has roughly the same driving talent as your average NY cab driver.... wins the poll at the next race. Maybe Kyle just got divinely inspired. Most in these parts (Charlotte) refer to this deal as "The Call" for situations like this. That is, the sentimental favorite team KNOWS they could put a very hot illegal motor in their car and not get busted for it. So..... Jr. is racing a BLACK Chevy at Tally where his Diddy won his last race.....

Just a guess.... he'll do OK. I'd say poll fer sure but there will be more drama when Jr. flashes by everyone to grab the lead on Sunday.

Of course, Jr. winning a plate race isn't too big of a stretch, regardless.... But DEI isn't like it was on plate races 3-4 years ago, either.

What say you.

[DainBramaged]

43. Roush sure got knocked off their throne

And I doubt Jr. is going to go anywhere this year. The team is busted. He needs to drive for somebody else. Like Kyle Petty. (just kidding) Smoke is going to be there the entire year, and my sentimental favorite is Mark Martin ending his career with the Championship. No one deserves it more.

[Jack from Charlotte]

50. No question #6 is a sentimental favorite for the season but....

for this weekend.....#8 will get..."The Call."

Jr. is a good guy, IMO. Very different from his Diddy. Jr's not a great driver, I say B to B+ at best but a good guy.

I look forward to the day when #24 passes #3 for number of wins. Could even come this season, I think he needs just 3 or 4 more. Just want to hear the vitriol from the #3 fans towrd #24.

LOL!

[jayfish]

48. The Qualifying Order Is Rather Strange.

With Chad Chaffin :shrug: taking the poll and Jr. starting 33rd. I expect Jr. to make his way to the front (if he avoids and early wreck) by about lap-15. That car is kick-ass. It's kinda like a flt-93 movie moment for me though. Don't know if I'm ready for it.

Jay

[DainBramaged]

89. I missed qualifying have to catch Speed tonight

[0007]

42. I do play chess. But can't fall for that rank sucker shit, called

world series poker. About as mindless as watching billboards driver and cars go around in a circle.

I think 64 mil is a stretch.

Roger McClusky is a good friend. Never forget that day. His car drew much attention with that highly modified cast iron AMC developed 875 horses at 8,500 RPM with 80-inches of manifold pressure, equal to the venerable Cosworth! McClusky was able to put the car in the 4th row on race day with a qualifying speed of 192.2 MPH! McClusky was moving up through traffic and running strong when the gearbox seized up on the 82nd lap. The transaxle was designed for a Cosworth and couldn't take the massive torque of the turbocharged AMC! Argh!!

[DainBramaged]

109. Trans Am racing back in the day before foreign cars arrived

Dominated by Mark Donohue, and all you got was 10 seconds as the car drove by where you sat. Then you waited until they got around the track.

http://www.historictransam.com/home.htm

[Haole Girl]

65. Me too!

Hey, the Democrats can't afford to be elitist about this. Far too many people love NASCAR (Democrats included). Let's not forget that in 2008, shall we?

That being said, is that area large enough to handle all that traffic? I have to wonder, as much as I love the sport, if that isn't the wrong area for it.

[pokercat999]

78. My dear sister was a big race fan. I always teased her

that NASCAR was just about the crashes. In her wisdom she would never take the bait and always quietly agreed with me.

[progressivebydesign]

95. ya, Always wondered about the intelligence to have beer ads on cars.. n/t

[saigon68]

9. Please it's ---- NECKCAR use the word correctly

LOL

[DainBramaged]

11. Another expert

guess where most of the tracks are today? I'll give you a little hint. One is in New Hampshire, One in Deleware and one in Pennsylvania. Want to know what percentage aren't down south?

[saigon68]

13. But I am an expert on the fans

Most of whom wear t-shirts, guzzle beer and say to females when they are drunk

Show us your tits

Seen any black drivers lately?

[Roland99]

16. Oh?

http://www.bigshowfoods.com/Who%20Are%20John%20Boy%20&%20Billy.htm

The NASCAR fan base has exploded over the last several years, enjoying a 65% increase in attendance between 1990-97. Furthermore, the NASCAR fan demographics have changed dramatically, becoming more upscale and professional, with 50% of fans attending races earning over $50,000/year. While 62% of NASCAR fans are men, the sport enjoys a higher percentage of female fans – 38% – than any other major sport. With their traveling souvenir trucks, John Boy and Billy regularly reach these fans at NASCAR tracks across the country.

http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/headlines/cup/12/07/tv_transcript/

NASCAR has come a long, long way over the last couple years with first of all the demographics are extremely strong. They're younger demographics. Obviously, the male side as well, but the female side has grown as well.

What we've seen is we've not seen the typical NASCAR advertiser, meaning the ones that are sponsoring the cars, but we've also seen a cross-section of a whole bunch of new advertisers that have come on board in support of this event. That's key, financials, things of that nature.

It has reached Madison Avenue. It has become a mainstream, if you will, from an advertiser's perspective. But the key here is there's still a tremendous amount of growth. I think there's still a lot of growth in the ratings side. I still believe that there's going to be more and more advertisers, as you see the ratings grow, become more attached to this sport.

http://chiefmarketer.com/media360/magazines/topstory/NASCAR_magazine_1023/

“NASCAR is second in audience only to the NFL, and when you look at demographics who express interest in NASCAR, they are much more upscale than most people expect them to be,” says Neil Ascher, executive vice president/director of communication services at Zenith Media. Recent Mediamark Research surveys show that about 42% of NASCAR fans earn at least $50,000 annually -- the average U.S. wage reported last year was $36,210 – and its fans bought $2.1 billion in NASCAR-licensed product last year.

This was the audience Time Inc.’s Time4Media division was wooing when in March 2005 it unveiled “Racing Fan.” The monthly magazine featured splashy photos of car crashes and glossy profiles of drivers, their cars, and the weekly NASCAR races. Time4Media projected a circulation base of 250,000 readers and issued two pilot issues by midyear.

[DainBramaged]

17. You are completely clueless, completely

I guess fans at baseball, hockey and football games are civil to the ladies and don't drink or wear t-shirts? Seen any black players at a hockey game lately? Who is the ONLY black player in Professional golf. I guess golf doesn't count.

Oh and speaking of black drivers, Bill Lester qualified and has finished in races this year.

But you're an expert, what do I know?:sarcasm:

And find out the answer about the tracks Mr. Brilliant.

[saigon68]

55. Nice straw Man Argument

Sorry

BWA HAA HAA

[DainBramaged]

83. Shut up, find something you understand to discuss with someone else

[TX-RAT]

28. You do anything but post rude hate filled comments?

You seem to have a constant chip on your shoulder.

[DainBramaged]

30. I disagree with people who claim expertise

But I replied stupidly. My apologies.

[TX-RAT]

34. Might at least check to make sure your posting to the right person.

[saigon68]

59. NECKCAR

NASCAR would be a sport if half the cars were driving in the
other direction.

Also the only sport in the world that can completely empty out a Wal-Mart store of all people on every weekend.

A good day to go to Wal-mart is on sunday. All of the normal customers home watching the nascar race and beating the crap out of their wife/sister/cousin.


Top 10 Things You'll Never Hear a Nascar Driver Say

10 - I would like to thank the Devil for my win today....

9 - I lost because my pit crew is bunch of morons.

8 - I could win 10 races a year too, if my sponsors weren't such a cheap bunch of......

7 - I wouldn't feel safe, if it weren't for that restrictor plate.

6 - You better put that down or Jeff Gordon will come over here and kick your butt.

5 - My crew chief is an idiot.

4 - Has anyone seen my Jerri-Curl?

3 - We would have won, but Jesus loves Jeff Gordon more.

2 - (At Winner's Circle) Talk Later, Pee NOW!

1 - My car sucked today! We're taking a wrecking ball to it ASAP!

[Roland99]

37. Uh, I think TX-RAT was agreeing with you there

:)

[TX-RAT]

41. Thank You

No big deal.I understand the anger.

[DainBramaged]

45. My heartfelt apologies. This is a very sore subject for me.

I'm not going to go into history, I'm not going to list the friends, but I have many years experience here and for years a lot of these folks and me were not just acquaintances. It just got too costly.

[TX-RAT]

71. accepted

I understand how you feel, some here just want to start a fight no matter what the subject.

[saigon68]

56. Whatever

Get a grip

Top Ten signs you're at a NASCAR fan's funeral

10. Casket features an exact replica of the GM Goodwrench paint scheme
9. The deceased is referred to as being "out of provisionals"
8. Heart-stirring eulogy delivered by Dr. Jerry Punch
7. "Amazing Grace" is performed by a 9-year-old girl from Bristol, Tennessee
6. Only the first 43 cars are allowed in the procession
5. Hearse referred to as the pace car
4. Procession weaves back and forth to keep heat in the tires
3. Cars caught speeding leaving the church have to go to the rear of the procession
3. Cars caught refueling over the pit line have to go to the rear of the procession
2. First time mourners have a yellow stripe on the trunk of their car

and the number one sign you're at a NASCAR funeral:
1. No coolers over 14 inches allowed in the chapel

[0007]

80. Richard Pryor was a race drive in a movie once.

In fact I don't think ya see too many black fans at those neckcar races, eh?

[DainBramaged]

98. How 'bout watching one and find out.

If your knowledge consists of "Richard Pryor was a race drive in a movie once" I wonder how we're going to manage the country when we regain control.

[0007]

100. Duh?

[DainBramaged]

106. Of course, just what I expected.

All of you who HATE racing have no clue about entertainment, yet you think pounding away on Mom and Dad's old computer keyboard in the basement is a form of entertainment.

Little clue here, get out more often. You'd be amazed how nice people are outside in the real world.

[0007]

115. Been there done that, out grew that little boys game years ago

I've smelled all the gas one could expect in three life times in gasoline alley. So please don't give me your two for a nickle nitwit, halfwit, dimwit shit. Now move on! And get that fucking chip on you're shoulder.

[DainBramaged]

117. Gasoline Alley?

Who is talking shit here?

1) If you knew Indian Larry, that's all you did, knew him, because you sure as shit didn't work for him.

2) They haven't used gasoline at Indy for decades, decades.

3) I don't have a chip on my shoulder, far from it. But you insult and slur from ignorance, not knowledge, fool.

[0007]

118. In you're wildest dreams sweetheart, LOL!!

[DainBramaged]

121. Oh, wait, Desert Thunder Raceway 1/8 mile non-NHRA nearby?

Sweetheart? :spray: Damn, you must be lonely.

Were you the brackets champ there back in the day? Wow, in the 60's and early Seventies (before bracket racing was developed to give the home boys something to do with their muscle cars on Sundays and to get away from the little woman,:sarcasm:), if you're in your 50's you may have street cred if you raced.

But something tells me that the only wrench you turned was in your back.:applause:

Cya.

[auburngrad82]

51. That's 10% of the races. nt

[Elwood P Dowd]

54. Then there is California, Indianapolis, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Watkins Glenn

New York, Kansas, Chicago,and Sears Point (CA). 50% of the races are held outside the south.

[DainBramaged]

91. Answer the question then, where are the rest?

[Book Lover]

67. Let's not forget the one in Marin County, CA, either!

Even though I'm an F-1 fan myself, I think this would be a great idea. Personally, I'd rather see the track out in Riverhead. There's an old track there that could use the sprucing up.

[Haole Girl]

66. Not really worthy of a response, but...

just think about how many millions of people you offend when you do things like this. It's almost enough to turn off a life-long Democrat on being a liberal!

[jayfish]

69. I Wouldn't Go That Far, ...

but it is a bit disheartening when liberals partake in the same hating and stereotyping that we decry so much. I guess it's just human nature.

Jay

[DainBramaged]

92. When they act like that, it makes me wonder.

[DUHandle]

14. Spend some time watching golf and after you attain Total Awareness

you too will want to want auto races.

[Name removed]

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[Jack from Charlotte]

44. Sort of like the Olympics.....

Guys run around in circles as fast as they can. Some throw things. Some try jumping over things.

Seems like about the same deal to me.

Guys have always raced anything that moves. Horses, themselves and cars.

[The Thomenator]

74. Gotta keep things simple for simple folks.

That's all there is to it!

[Bushies gotta go]

79. Finally, one honest guy....

I gotta agree with you. And then, all the fans are "shocked" because some idiot crashes and kills himself at 200 MPH on an oil slicked track, bringing about years worth of mourning for him. And a slew of pickup trucks with his number on the back window. Duh.

Nascar. pssssht.

Of course, I don't like football either. Or any other sport for that matter.

[DainBramaged]

96. Then stay out of the discussion

If you dislike what it's about, why comment on it? Since you don't like sports, why should you be allowed to condom those who do? Wake up, you are one part of America, but 162,000,000 who like all forms of sport tend to think you are clueless.

Oh, and for the fact that you think Dale Sr.was a duh, you're ignored too.

[Bushies gotta go]

116. I see freedom of speech and thought is alive and well here

[saigon68]

125. CHECK OUT THE POST YOU REPLIED TO

I rest ---case closed

___________________________________________________________________

THE QUOTE


"why should you be allowed to condom those who do?"

__________________________________________________

It's like the Darrell Waltrip phrase.


"He's doin it all by hisself"

[Bushies gotta go]

130. Do they make condoms that big?

[saigon68]

135. apparently he/she thinks so---although

One might fit over his head.

Since the size of his head and brain is miniscule

[DainBramaged]

107. Never mind

[MikeNearMcChord]

6. I wonder if the guys who run the track building

part of NASCAR are offering what they tried to do the state of Washington, taxpayers pay 80% they pay 20%? Welfare for rich white guys.:eyes:

[donsu]

15. first thing I thought was, does Staten Island need more air pollution?

nt

[DainBramaged]

18. Stop, just stop. Do you live there?

Let's just give the land to high-end developers to sell million dollar homes wth a water's view.

[donsu]

20. hunh?

nt

[brentspeak]

25. I looked up Andrew Lanza, the councilman who's opposed to the track

He's a Republican. He's spent most of his tenure as councilman (which won't expire until 2009) getting his private sector buddies contracts to take over public development projects. He's got a nice little scam going on over there in S.I. He likely is opposed to the track either because his buddies aren't in on it or because his buddies want that space for a different project of their own.

[DainBramaged]

27. You bet, I hinted at this previously, should have been detailed

So for everyone who thinks the track is a bad idea, remember, when Republicans get their dirty little hands on anything it goes bad.

[MadHound]

68. Well, at least they wouldn't be leaving a coating of smog all over

And sucking up thousands of gallons of gas just to entertain the masses.

Sorry, not a big fan of NASCAR, never could get into it. Being a bit of a gearhead, I would love to be down in the pit sometime, but overall, I just don't get the attraction, and I find that in these days of decreasing oil supplies and high pollution levels, NASCAR seems to be a sport that is entirely too expensive.

But hey, that's me.

[DainBramaged]

97. Those masses voted for the idiot, not Kerry

and Kerry shoud have figured that out years ago. And if our idiots who voted for Nader voted for Gore, we'd be discussing something else you maybe like.

[Julius Civitatus]

21. Exactly! Between the pollution and the landfields, S.I. has become a mess

It's become like NJ in the seventies. This wouldn't help either.

[DainBramaged]

26. The land fill was closed in 2002

Wow, So tell me, what part of SI or Jersy you live in?

[Julius Civitatus]

32. Less than two miles across S.I. in Brooklyn

Only those who live in S.I. can opine on this matter?

You need to chill. Seriously.

[alarimer]

62. Not to mention the noise pollution

Kind of loud, I think.

[DainBramaged]

99. So are jet airplanes

NASCAR tracks aren't "in cities" so unless you refuse to wear earplugs IF you are in the pit area, it doesn't hurt. Except Bristol. I never left there with my hearing even with earplugs. Took about a week to get it back.

[Julius Civitatus]

22. They showed on TV a guy wresting the councilman on the stage

It was both pathetic and hilarious. The showed this on NY1 News. A big guy jumped to the stage and grabbed to councilman by the neck, trying to wrestle the microphone from his hands. Then the whole auditorium became a schoolyard brawl. Then lots of cops showed up.

What a mess.

[DainBramaged]

23. Great,, take the voice from the Politicians

Let the people decide, put it up to a vote in SI, let THEM decide, not some pencil-necked geek politician.

[TX-RAT]

29. There ya go.

[Julius Civitatus]

31. Yes, yes, wresting down your opponents is a great way to win support

So democratic, indeed.

:eyes:

PS: according to the tv report, most S.I. residents seem to be annoyed with the idea of the Nascar circuit in their neighborhood.

[DainBramaged]

33. So, should we apologize and offer them tea and crumpets?

Remember, SI is REPUBLICAN controlled, so I'm sure it isn't just NASCAR that's pissing the residents off. A Texas Death Cage match would be appropriate.

[Julius Civitatus]

35. No, no, by all means: Go ahead and wrestle your way into a debate

Oy vey!

:eyes:

[leesa]

36. Racing is a terrible waste of precious gas and oil. I know people enjoy

it, but it just ain't right.

[DainBramaged]

39. Neither is Republican control of our Government

Give us all a break. So all sports should be banned because they waste resources? We should have no outlet for entertainment?

PS;

Do you know how much fuel is actually used in a race and the practice/qualifying preparation? Do you know how it pales in comparison to the amount wasted by people who don't keep their tires inflated to manufacturers suggested levels?

[951-Riverside]

53. If they want yet another stupid track so badly build it in Manhattan

or smack dab in Washington, DC.

[Pastiche423]

58. Wasted fuel is wasted fuel

At a time where we are heading, very soon, to $4/gal for gas, it is a total waste of much needed fuel, just to watch cars go round and round and round and round an oval.

And for whose benefit? The corporations that sponsor the races.

I hope the citizens of SI win this.

[Elwood P Dowd]

64. So you want to eliminate tens of thousands of jobs

just to reduce gas usage by maybe .01% or less?

NASCAR has 65 million fans, creates billions of dollars in economic activity, and creates tens of thousands of jobs, yet DUers want it stopped. Major League Baseball teams use far more gas than NASCAR, so why not pick on them? Air Force One uses more gas hauling Bushit's ass around each month than NASCAR uses in an entire season. Commuter traffic in Los Angeles uses more gas in one afternoon than NASCAR uses the entire season.

Just why is that DUers want to piss off so many eligible voters simply because they either dislike or don't understand racing?

[Pastiche423]

70. Ten of thousands of jobs for a SI raceway?

Wasting fuel when Global Warning is already evident is completely foolish and rw.

[DainBramaged]

82. So in your opinion, any thing you deem wasted is not worth pursuing?

How about the Special Olympics? People use a LOT of gas getting there. What about
never mind, clueless is as clueless does. Put people out of work nationwide, fuck NASCAR, NHRA, SCCA, IHRA, Drag Boat, Can Am, F1, fuck them all because YOU think it's a waste, what the fuck do you care.

Sit in your castle of smug.

The fuel used by Condi and Rummy to go to Iraq and back EXCEEDED ALL the gas used by ALL the NASCAR teams for the entire season.

What say you.

[Pastiche423]

134. What's this about putting people out of work NATIONWIDE?

Are thousands of people working at a SI raceway now?

[Elwood P Dowd]

57. NASCAR uses less gas & oil in the entire season

than is used by commuters in the Los Angeles area during a single afternoon drive.

[Oldtimeralso]

123. Fuel Waster

How much fuel did the Chimp waste to fly to Texas because he forgot to get an absentee ballot?
I've been going to races since the 40's, and will go until the man upstairs says no more!

[QC]

60. Much more fuel is burned hauling yuppies to Caribbean resorts

than in racing. And then there's the fuel needed to maintain the nation's more than 17,000 golf courses. And the fuel needed to run the nation's yachts.

But no one ever brings up those. I wonder why....

[DainBramaged]

101. Because real Republicans don't talk about golf or yachts

it "affects" the poor folk. Just like the increased beer tax targets the middle class, it's the rich who sip their sherry and laugh at the rest of us.

[davepc]

108. RACECARS DONT USE PUMP GAS!!!!

I dont think the race cars are cutting into the low supplies of nitrometane or wood alchohol.

[DainBramaged]

111. Good point, but the smuggies won't understand

Nitromethane, one of my most memorable smells. Thanks to a friend who died of cancer in August 29 1991. Love every minute of it to this day.

[tanyev]

127. Maybe the race cars don't, but all the RVs the fans travel in sure do.

[Berserker]

138. I was waiting to read about the

Terrible waste of precious gas and oil that Nascar uses is that a joke or did you really mean it?
How about the terrible waste of precious gas and oil that is wasted 5 days a week, Millions of gallons of fuel wasted by kids that HAVE to drive to school when public transportation is provided for them at tax payers expense. Want to bitch about wasted fuel lets start there.

[The Thomenator]

72. New spelling for NASCAR:

ZZZZZZ

[DainBramaged]

102. New spelling for you

[The Thomenator]

73. What, did the tape loop of Jeff Foxworthy stop working?

They had to call the anti-redneck unit of the NYPD or something?

[Miss Chybil]

76. To me this is proof the fans can handle the responsibility of a track.

They can't even maintain their behavior in a meeting? Geez.

[0007]

81. Isn't that the fucking truth?

[DainBramaged]

104. Sure, judge them without being there

Sounds like a wingnut line to me.

[Miss Chybil]

120. I meant it to sound that way.

It's called sarcasm. Honestly and truly, I really don't care.

[DainBramaged]

84. The same people who HATE American cars HATE NASCAR

Why? I'll tell you, because they are manley sports where men (and women) put their lives on the line every race. Too much for the wimps here to accept. The same lack of fighting spirit which let Bush in because those same people though voting for Nader was cute.

[Name removed]

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[Blue_Tires]

114. sarcasm?

I'm a Chevy fan, and also a longtime defender/apologist for the big 2.5 here and elsewhere, and i'm a longtime NASCAR hater...didn't always hate it; I'm from VA, and I grew up watching it back in the 80s--i've since moved on because big ovals don't do it for me anymore (that among other reasons)....

I still love racing, but I'm more into ALMS, F1, WRC, etc.

[salin]

129. nice bit of generalizations in this post

Not a fan of the decisions of the big 3 which seems to have a desire to forget its lessons learned in the 80s. I don't hate the cars, or those who build them - but do think that some up the chain have made bad business decisions. As to NASCAR? I prefer the Indy cars - but that is the bias of growing up with the Indy 500. The only thing I would weigh in on the issue would be: is this going to be built by private funds (go ahead) or public funds. However, if it is public funds and the local tax payers are opposed, then I would weigh against the project. One lesson from the Indy speedway would be - plan for several different big races a year to make it viable (Indy now also hosts a F1 and a NASCAR event.)

Btw, I didn't vote for Nader - though it wouldn't have matter had I done so, given that I live in a state that was heavily tilted bush. The only folks I know personally who voted for Nader in 2000 lived in areas where the vote didn't matter (the race was heavily tilted one way or the other). Not that I really get the logic of Nader voters getting brought into this discussion... The other nonsequitor of logic was odd too - given that there are a lot of Hockey and Football fans around - and those seem to be pretty "manly" sports as well. :shrug:

[donsu]

131. that's delusional

nt

[DainBramaged]

136. So are folks who only think rice burners are the peoples cars.

[salin]

139. ? I have no idea what this means.

[progressivebydesign]

93. They're trying to shove a NASCAR track down our throats in Wa. State..

and it's NOT going well at all! The developers have some pie-in-the sky proposal that people who like that sort of thing were excited about.. UNTIl.. it was revealed that they want MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars to build it, AND they're putting into the of the most beautiful pristine areas of the Puget Sound... also it's in a very inaccessible area miles off of the main artery, the 5. The dipshits keep saying that it'll bring jobs here.. but from what I've read, these developers from Florida contract the work out to non-union companies, not locals.. AND there will only be a few races a year.. NOT full-time employment for ANYONE. Just a waste of gas, tax money, a destruction of a beautiful area, and the dessimation of a lovely little town.

Not surprised people got nuts at the meeting.. people here in Washington STate a pissed off to the max.

[Blue_Tires]

110. wow....

NASCAR on Staten Island? WTF??

What happened to the events in PA, NH, and the Glen? They become too far all of a sudden?

and does NASCAR honestly need to add more to the already bloated 40-race event schedule?

Is it too much to ask that these fans try to support alternative, possibly more local (i.e., REAL (sorry, Dain;)) race series?

and i don't care which side is right in this debate, but raising all kinds of hell at a public hearing just because things might not go your way IS NOT GOING TO WIN SUPPORTERS/CREDIT TO YOUR SIDE!!

[DainBramaged]

112. Nothing could happen for years

By the time all the permits, engineering, site plans and actual building were accomplished, NASCAR might have decided which race to eliminate.

[DainBramaged]

113. well, I think I'll go open a can of gas

smell it, then powerbrake my piece of shit and do a burnout to smell the rubber burning.

See ya later.

[0007]

119. I think ya need to sober up!

[mmonk]

126. All seems a bit silly to me.

Sports venues are almost always determined by the people that live in the area. If the people don't want it, then they should get the nod in stopping it. Conversely, if they do, then it should be built.