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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:20 PM
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Iraq Accuses Iran Of Shelling Its Territory
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=5956ab65b2b63f31&cat=c08dd24cec417021

April 30, 2006 -- Iraq's Defense Ministry today accused Iranian forces, fighting Kurdish rebels, of shelling its territory for the second time in 10 days.


The ministry said Iranian artillery fired more than 180 shells, which landed near the northern village of Haj Omran, about 5 kilometers inside Iraqi territory, on the border with Iran.

Iran launched similar attacks on Kurdish rebel positions in the same area on April 21.
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Turkey forces and Iranian forces fighting the Kurds NW Iraq looks like its at war and I wonder where our troops at??? I think Kucinich was right!!!
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:27 PM
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1. to do that they went 5 kms into Iraqi territory...
this is more a show of force than anything else. The Kurds don't have any heavy artillery. And there are no US troops to protect them since the Iraqi army is a paper construction...
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:32 PM
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2. The Iraqi Army does have an artillery and a tank battalion
But, no way in hell they are going to be used to defend Kurdish irregulars unless Iran makes a massive push into Iraq.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:48 PM
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8. but they cannot operate without US logistics and permission
so the difference isn't big between this and nothing. Besides I don't think they are in the region, and the Pehsmergas heaviest weapons must be mortars.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:33 PM
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3. The Pretext for War
I've said all along that the Iran-nuclear controversy was just a way to stoke-up world-wide tension with Iran --- but the real pretext for a Bush-ordered, emergency attack on Iran will come because of an alleged Iranian border incursion into Iraq.

We may be starting to see the beginnings of this rationale for war.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:46 PM
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5. Remember the USS Maine or the USS Maddox
On August 5, 1964, American newspapers reported that North Vietnamese torpedo boats had fired on the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. Captain John J. Herrick, the task force commander in the Gulf, cabled Washington DC, to say that no such attacked had occurred - but to no avail...
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:34 PM
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4. Ahhhh.... the mighty wurlitzer is cranking up.
Iraq is being put on the back burner (Bush would love that) and the campaign to make Iran the destroyer of all that is good and holy has begun. I suspect that soon we'll we hearing stories about Iranians unplugging incubators so little children will die.

The American patriot-herd must become sufficiently appalled by Iran's barbaric actions, real or imagined, before the Bush war machine can move on to their next item on the agenda: regime change in Iran. The mighty wurlitzer is being cranked up folks. Expect many more stories like this in the future. The pounding of the drums must rile the patriot-herd into a blood-lust frenzy and the Bush regime is more than willing to take on the task.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:40 AM
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14. Also, look for an Operation Northwoods type of event in the U. S.....
...to crete yet "another Pearl Harbor".

Operation Northwoods
<http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/>

QUOTE:

In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”


Hmmmm. What actually happened on 911?
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:48 PM
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6. Poland attacks Germany!
:(
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:34 AM
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13. That's exactly what Hitler told the Germans! Hitler stated....
...that because of the illegal and provocative crossings into German territory by Polish troops, the Germans must retaliate.

Meet the new Nazis, same as the old Nazis.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:20 PM
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7. USA would be insane to attack Iran - but then y'all got an insane leader
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After 3 years, almost 2500 dead American soldiers, and 100's of thousands of dead and maimed Iraqis - the USA is still languishing after so many "last throes" of the "insurgents" - which will only increase as the USA continues to kill, maim and abuse the Iraqi citizens.

Iran is a whole different ball of wax so to speak, well armed, and with neighbors (China and Russia) that will not put up with nuclear waste spread by USA aggression to affect their countries.

Neither Russia or China is really concerned if Iran makes a nuke or two - they have THOUSANDS that could pulverize Iran if they became a threat.

I am surprised and disappointed that the UN even sees this as an issue -

but I think we mostly know this is only because of the posturing of the USA

DAMM the USA

Who the heck do they think they are?

Iran attack the USA?

yeah right

Saddam was of no danger either

It's simply a "global grab" by the USA

and what concerns me

it appears they are succeeding

Just look what we got for a Prime Minister right now

"Bush-Lite"

prostituting our country to the PNACers

(sigh)

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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:56 PM
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9. very, very bad news
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:16 PM
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10. kick
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 11:17 PM
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11. Baghdad Accuses Tehran of Shelling PKK Rebels Inside Iraq
from the new World Media Watch up now at http://www.zianet.com/insightanalytical
Tomorrow at Buzzflash.com

More stories in my Journal, including a related article on the cool relations between Turkey and the US, and Iranian leader's visit to Turkey this week...


2//The Daily Star, Lebanon Monday, May 01, 2006

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=24088



BAGHDAD ACCUSES TEHRAN OF SHELLING PKK REBELS INSIDE IRAQ

By Simon ostrovsky, Agence France Presse (AFP)

BAGHDAD: Baghdad accused Iranian forces Sunday of entering Iraqi territory and shelling Turkish-Kurdish PKK guerrilla positions, with the Kurds accusing Tehran of working with Ankara to attack their movement.



"Iranian forces hit a border area called Haj Umran and then entered 5 kilometers into Iraqi territory and hit the area of Lollan with heavy artillery with 180 shells targeting PKK positions," an Iraqi Defense Ministry statement said.



The shelling was the second military attack on the Kurdish guerrillas by Iranian forces in 10 days. The previous attack on April 20 left two guerrillas dead and another 10 wounded.



The Kurdish rebel group, Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), who have established themselves in Iraq's northern Kurdish-controlled area on the border with Iran and Turkey, have warned Iran not to interfere in their fight against Ankara's rule in southeast Turkey.



The leader of a group of PKK rebels, Rustom Judi, told AFP in an interview that Iranian forces have "no reason" to fight the PKK because "fighting has been between our men and soldiers inside Turkey, far from the Iranian border."



But Iran is bound by treaty with Turkey to fight the outlawed PKK, which has waged a 15-year insurgency against Ankara for self rule in Turkey's mainly Kurdish southeast.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:07 AM
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12. i've yet to see Kucinich wrong. n/t

dp
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:46 AM
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15. Isn't turkey also fighting Kurdish Rebels?
Going so far as to send troops into Iraq, iirc?

Doesn't Turkey and Iran have some sort of treaty against the Kurdish "Terrorist" groups operating from northern Iraq?

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall the above.

And doesn't the US regularly "invade" Pakastan on ocassion in persuit of "Terrorists"?

Peace.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:20 AM
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16. We are at war with Iran already like Kucinich said just
Americans don't know it yet!!!
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