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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:16 PM
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New Black Panthers barred from Duke campus
From staff reports

Duke University police barred members of the New Black Panthers from the school's campus this morning.
About 40 members of the group came to protest against white lacrosse players charged with raping a black escort service dancer at a team party.

Though university officials had said they would be permitted to protest on the private school's grounds, police refused to let them enter the West Campus on Duke University Drive. Officers said students were already overstressed by exams and the protest might further unsettle them.

The Panthers, dressed in fatigues, combat boots and flak jackets -- some sporting knives on their belts -- delivered a list of demands that included the conviction of Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty.

more: http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/434671.html
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:31 PM
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1. :( not good


I guess my people are taking things in their own hands.

Watch, they will get NO JUSTICE

and the MINUTEMEN and RepubliCONS will get The Medal of Honor.

Please don't flame me, I think it is wrong for them to approach the issue in that manner -- they are wrong.

I do remember the Patty Herst days in California ---- not a pretty picture.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:39 PM
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3. The NEW Black Panthers?
Very interesting. I suspect we have not seen the last of them.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:27 PM
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22. more like "Bogus Black Panthers".
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:40 PM
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4. I understand your concern but
that your people take things in their own hands is also exactly what everybody should do. In fact, that's the only way to keep the cockroaches where they belong. In the dark, behind the baseboard.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:52 PM
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7. fshrink
that your people take things in their own hands is also exactly what everybody should do. In fact, that's the only way to keep the cockroaches where they belong. In the dark, behind the baseboard.


And when the neo-nazi's decide to do that same is that okay?
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:58 PM
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8. This is not a moral question.
If you don't oppose them, you foster them.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 02:38 PM
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10. "cockroaches"...... Reminds me of Rwanda. n/t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 04:04 PM
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14. I understand however, when ever we "break the law" as defined

by the RepubliCONS, we are in trouble because the power of the MSM turns us into Cynthia McKinney and the exotic dancer.

When others BREAK THE LAW by taking it into their own hands, its called MINUTEMEN guarding the borders instead of PAID Homeland Security agents and KARL ROVE, BUSH,Rumsfeld, Tenet and the RepubliCONS etc.

I was not aware there even was a NEW Black Panther party until I read this article.

From a Black perspective, at the time of the Black Panther Party,the members were saying things and doing things WAY out of the mainstream.

From a historical perspective,if you ask AA college students that grew up during the Civil Rights Era as I did, what the Panthers did was seek JUSTICE for our people "By Any Means Necessary."

Many AA's in my generation look back and view them as HEROES. As we view John Carlos when he raised his glove at the Olympics. :patriot:

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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:53 PM
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18. You know, talking about the Olympics,
I will always remember the guys who won a relay (I think it was) they didn't use any symbols like the black leather fist; they just stood there like they were forced to be there. Sweaty, unkempt and justly angry and disrespectful. I found this 10 times more moving and radical.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:36 PM
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2. wouldn't it make sense
to demand a jury trial before demanding a conviction?

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:43 PM
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5. I don't think...
Edited on Mon May-01-06 01:44 PM by Triana
...the University ever said they *would* be permitted on the private school's grounds. It was my understanding from what I read elsewhere that they would be allowed to protest ONLY outside the campus on City property, and Duke officials and Durham police made them aware of that well ahead of time.

Guns, knives, and the like are not allowed on most college campuses so I'm not surprised they wouldn't be allowed on campus with that stuff. Duh.

Any University's first committment is to its students, particularly during final week and this type of thing can be extremely disruptive and upsetting when students have enough on their minds. This part of that report is horse-puckey.

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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 02:44 PM
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11. The whole permission to demonstrate "on" campus claim smells
I agree.

I never recall outside parties being allowed to demonstrate in mass at my colleges during my 7 years of undergrad/graduate student life.

Student chapters of national groups, yes....Outside chapters of those same groups, no.

Furthermore, there's no way in hell any college is going to let any outside party on college grounds under the circumstances the Black Pathers were requesting.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 05:48 PM
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17. NPR said they were wearing camoflauge and bearing knives...
...and wanted to march through campus that way!?!?!?!

There is NO WAY this type of activity under these (or any) circumstances would ever be allowed on any University campus. And especially not during final exams, much less any other time.

Somebody needs to get a Reality check. The "News" media perhaps, or maybe the NEW Black Panthers who are beginning to sound more like a street gang.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:48 PM
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6. How can you demand a conviction?
I don't get that. You can demand a trial. You can demand a legal sentencing if found guilty. But you can't demand a conviction.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 04:34 PM
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16. Free speech includes freedom to make a total ass of yourself
:nuke:
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:58 PM
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9. i saw a spokesperson demand conviction; apparently he doesn't
need trials or jurors to determine if some committed a crime or not. Maybe he was channeling nancy grace. What I cannot understand is, is if you are not sitting as a juror through a trial being exposed to the admitted evidence, how could you ever determine the facts of a case.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 03:53 PM
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12. Good
these people are exremists with a capital E. They're so extreme the real Black Panthers denounces them. They'll do nothing but hurt the cause of the victim.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 11:49 PM
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23. The victim and her family didn't ask for their "help" either..
...and have stated they want nothing to do with them (see story below). They (The "New" Black Panthers) are parasites - trying to play on the anger and fear this incident has caused to get their own agenda out. Like buzzards around a dead carcass, they circle. Jeeze.

http://www.wral.com/news/9133291/detail.html

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 04:01 PM
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13. There is no New Black Panther Party...
Edited on Mon May-01-06 04:02 PM by Az_lefty
at least according the Huey Newton foundation...apparently this group just borrowed the name and aren't connected to the original org.

http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 04:14 PM
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15. Like your Hunter Thompson Quote
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:31 PM
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19. Thanks for the link! IWouldn't seem
that Huey would like that move.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:51 PM
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20. Yes, there is. They aren't connected to the original BPP, but...
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:14 PM
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21. Who are these maniacs?
Good thing they announced their proposed activities before they tried to enter campus.
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