US and Europe Draft Iran Resolution

[robertpaulsen]

US and Europe Draft Iran Resolution

New York Times - 1 hour ago
PARIS, May 2 — The United States, Britain and France have drafted a binding Security Council resolution requiring Iran to stop key nuclear activities, but Russia and China are already resisting, officials involved in the negotiations said today. ...

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/02/world/middleeast/02cnd-iran.html&OQ=_rQ3D1&OP=10eb7526Q2FKVQ51mKQ5DXAgyXX6fKfQ25Q25Q20KQ25wKQ25fKVXyQ24Q5DKn0Q5DQ5DQ24Q51Q51Dg6KQ25fAJQ5D50yDJTQ3C6nQ24

[cliss]

1. This is truly amazing.

The US must have Europe over a barrel. It's incredible how weak and submissive they are to Washington.

Fact: Europe purchases oil from Iran. I'm not sure where they could get petroleum if Iran decides to dump them. Russia just agreed to divert about 100,000 barrels of oil to Venezuela, of all places.

All this rhetoric is pushing the price of oil upward. Ahmadinejad loves it. Chavez loves it. Bush is tanking from this.

Unbelievable.

[robertpaulsen]

3. Does it feel like 1941 yet?

My father says he has never lived through a more dangerous time. And he lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis.

[DrDebug]

4. But these fellas are no JFK or Khrushchev

The Cuban Missile Crisis was averted because the two presidents didn't want a war, however this time the leaders are Bush and Ahmadinejad.

[robertpaulsen]

5. Exactly.

I feel like we are sleepwalking into an apocalypse.

[IndianaGreen]

7. Had Bush been President during the Cuban Missile Crisis

the human race would have become extinct in 1962!

[robertpaulsen]

8. I just got this horrible image in my head.

Of Bush pounding his chest exclaiming, "I feel good!" as nukes detonate around him.

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:"I feel good!":nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

I hope Swamp Rat comes over and illustrates this!

[VegasWolf]

9. Nah! We would have been safe under our school desks, remember! nt

[IndianaGreen]

12. Duck and Cover!

How can I forget!

[bemildred]

2. Keep pounding that sand, fellas. nt

[robertpaulsen]

6. Here's more on this.

EU Nations Outline U.N. Iran Resolution

May 2, 7:20 PM (ET)

By ANGELA CHARLTON


PARIS (AP) - European nations, backed by the United States, outlined Tuesday a planned U.N. Security Council resolution to give "mandatory force" to the atomic watchdog agency's demands that Iran halt uranium enrichment, officials said.

U.S. Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns dismissed any possibility of direct talks with Iran but said he had not "given up hope on diplomacy." He also predicted Europe would agree within three months to support sanctions against Iran over its nuclear activities, which Washington suspects are aimed at manufacturing atomic weapons.

"Diplomacy has to be hard-edged. Isolation is what we believe will work best," Burns said Tuesday.
"Within a month or two or three, you are going to see international support for sanctions," he added.

Burns was speaking at the start of talks in Paris by envoys from six nations in Paris. They discussed the possibility of a resolution under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, which makes any demands mandatory and allows for the use of sanctions - and possibly force - if they are not obeyed.

http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20060502/D8HBUIMO6.html

[DrDebug]

10. May/June/July/August

Three month plus an additional month for the final pressure on the UN and Iran can be attacked before the November elections. Right on schedule.

[54anickel]

15. How can they hope for diplomacy when they refuse to talk? And are

sanctions really considered a diplomatic lever? Seems their idea of diplomacy is anything except diplomacy and just short of blowing the place into pieces.

Burns dismissed any possibility of direct talks with Iran but said he had not "given up hope on diplomacy

and this...

"We'll see how the Iranians react once there is a Chapter 7 resolution with these demands on them," he said. "Certainly, the issue of sanctions and other diplomatic levers are out there," either through the Security Council, individual states or like-minded states acting together, he added.

My God! I never thought I'd live to see the day where I'd find myself considering the leaders of Russia and China to be the rational, logical ones in a debate with my own country. How the hell did we get here?

[Oversea Visitor]

19. Congress pass the Iran Freedom Act by 327-21

What is there to talk.

[54anickel]

21. Noooooo! They passed that Santorum piece of shit? They've been

pushing that for the last couple of years. Ros-Lehtinen from FL gave it the first round in '04.

[robertpaulsen]

25. Yeah, that scares me.

After it passes the Senate, Dumbya will say, "Hey, Congress gave me all the authority for regime change that I need! Let's roll!"

And just like Iraq, it's not about the weapons. The only threat they pose to us is through their OIL!


Iran Freedom Support Act: Big surprise, it's the oil, stupid!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1093948

[Rex]

11. Sorry but 3 outta 5 translates into jack shit.

Looks like the 3 idiot countries are set on starting WWIII. :eyes:

[Oversea Visitor]

13. 3 out of 6

Germany position in LIMBO
Not 5
Anyway it cant get through SC
And yeah bush get his coliation of willing on this
Rest of the world just give no shit.

[Rex]

14. I can't see the Germans agreeing with a new war plan.

Bush will have to go it alone this time.

[Oversea Visitor]

18. Sometime bush damn stupid

Already Russia and China say no sanction
bush damn stupid pushing like hell end up face in turd.

Colbert right

He do what he wants I guess
On Monday and do same on Wedesday no matter what happened on Tuesday.

[54anickel]

16. I just read an article today that said Germany was investing in Iran

so I doubt they'd be on-board for the "adventure".

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/042706_paradigm_speech.shtml

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• The US government is playing a bluff hand over an attack against Iran , which in spite of being both unlikely and risking a global nuclear holocaust, has resulted in massive increases in military spending all around the planet. A global arms race is now using up energy and commodities that should be used rebuilding railroads, enhancing mass transportation, and building renewable infrastructure to soften the coming blows.

• In the face of this, the entire world, and especially China , Russia , India , Germany and Japan are pouring hundreds of billions of dollars of investment into Iran . This is one of many sure signs that the American Empire’s weaknesses are becoming visible. There is blood in the water and blood in the water usually leads to a fight. The world, at least as far as its pocketbook is concerned, is betting on Iran .

[Oversea Visitor]

17. Nothing to bet

Line in Sand
No more attacking another nation

Period
Sanction :rofl: US can do what it wants Dont give no shit to this.

Anyway he the DECIDER so he get to decide on this :rofl:

Take you pick
Back down and eat crap
Or go fuck your own country

Either way fine with the rest of the world
After all his first duty is to do what best for his country people
If he think this is best that is not for rest of world to decide, we not decider
The US people is.

Iran has nothing to fear from US...... PERIOD
You got 10,000 nukes .... GO SUCK ON IT

[ConcernedCanuk]

20. Cuban missile crisis, 1962 - THEY HAD PROOF back then - REAL proof

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Satellite photos of silos, and offloading of missiles to the Cuban mainland


The photos were in newspapers all over the world - yeah - even here in Canada

I know this well, because it was a presentation I made in my classroom in Grade 7 or 8 - and I presented it with the newspaper articles, satellite photographs and so on

Bushco has produced nothing even CLOSE to this as proof of a "danger" to the continental USA

Kennedy was assassinated within a year of preventing this war. (think about that a bit)

Yet 100's of thousands die at George's command, with only insinuations, suspicions, and fear-mongering.

USA's voting population has really got dumber

But that's just my Canuk Opinion

[leftchick]

22. UN powers differ on Iran

Envoys from the top five UN powers, plus Germany, said late on Tuesday that a "firm" international response is needed over Iran's nuclear programme, but remained at odds over what measures to take.

The statement from the envoys came after a meeting in Paris ended without agreement.

The talks were the first among senior representatives of Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States, as well as Germany, since the International Atomic Energy told the Security Council last Friday that Iran was in breach of a UN demand to halt uranium enrichment.

Nicholas Burns, the number three in the US State Department, said after the meeting with counterparts from the other countries that "all agreed that the Iran nuclear programme should be suspended, and agreed to begin Security Council debate and start negotiating a resolution for suspension".

But Burns also voiced frustration with permanent Security Council members Russia and China which are opposing the United States and its EU allies.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F8768F43-555F-4A12-A4C8-F7B2D2CDA072.htm




http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/F8768F43-555F-4A12-A4C8-F7B2D2CDA072.htm

[ConcernedCanuk]

23. BAD move, the USA bumping heads with China and Russia at this point

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We ain't talking no "cold" war here

and all over a country that couldn't hurt Continental USA in it's wildest dreams.

But it WILL hurt USA interests BADLY around Iran's borders should it so much as SPIT on Iranian soil.

Time for the bully to back off

Go Home

and take care of it's own citizens

But alas

The PNACers don't give a hoot for the citizens of the USA

Other than to use their taxes to forward their goal of global domination

(sigh)

[daleo]

24. So Europe is made up solely of Britain and France

And Russia's not in Europe. Interesting geography lesson.

[sarcasmo]

26. War to make those poll numbers rise, prior to the October vote.

Looks like we are on the brink of WWIII folks. My spell check doesn't recognize WWIII, but it will soon and next to it will be 43's face.

[robertpaulsen]

27. If it happens before October, they probably won't let me vote.

I remember that alternet article you posted. If we attack Iran, that might become regular domestic policy:

It appears the newly formed U.S. Detention camps are for real.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=499461

[sarcasmo]

28. Robert, Thanks for understanding the severity of that article.

[robertpaulsen]

29. Thank you, sarcasmo, for making me aware of it!

Have you seen the movie Punishment Park? Fictional movie about detention camps during the Nixon administration, but told in a documentary style that makes you think, "It could happen here".

If you combine the worst parts of Nixon and the worst parts of Reagan, and stuff it into Dan Quayle's brain, that's what Dumbya is.