al-Qaida Conspirator Moussaoui Gets Life

[Burma Jones]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060503/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui

By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago

ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A federal jury decided Wednesday al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui deserves life in prison for his role in the deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history, on Sept. 11, 2001.

On the seventh day of deliberation, the jury of nine men and three women informed Judge Leonie Brinkema that it had reached a decision.

Moussaoui, a 37-year-old Frenchman of Moroccan descent, is the only person charged in this country in connection with the suicide jetliner hijackings that killed nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center, the
Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field.

The verdict came after four years of legal maneuvering and a six-week trial that put jurors on an emotional roller coaster.

-snip-

No Martyrdom, I'm OK with it......

[Maddy McCall]

1. Massaoui guilty, sentenced to life in prison.

Life in Prison, no parole.

On CBS now.

[CottonBear]

5. The freepers and Bushies are gonna be angry he's not gonna fry. n/t

[indepat]

60. Now if those who blocked investigating Massaoui before 9-11 and those

who ordered the investigation of Massaoui blocked would only be given life.

[Freeusfromthechurch]

91. exactly, you took the words right out of my mouth

[uppityperson]

2. Good, they did the right thing.

very good.

[wicket]

8. Amen

n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

9. Yes, they did.

Thank God.

[BrklynLiberal]

29. I agree. NO martyrdom for him.

[Pacifist Patriot]

57. I agree.

[goclark]

89. I agree too

Let him stay in prision for the rest of his life.


Is there a cell right next to him for GW?

[Pacifist Patriot]

97. *sigh * We can only hope. THAT would be justice.

[Warpy]

94. It should be pointed out that this was a SHOW TRIAL

and was meant to link him with 9/11, when he himself didn't discover that link until AFTER it had happened.

The man is clearly insane and a wannabe and nobody took him seriously in the 9/11 plot.

This is a huge defeat for the GOP, they won't get their show execution and they won't get to grandstand about punishing "those responsible for 9/11," even as Osama bin Laden stays free, thanks to their bungling.

Kudos to that jury.

[radwriter0555]

114. I couldn't agree more. The dude had little or nothing to do w/911. This

was all just a dog and pony show... The guy is mentally ill.

[mortlefaucheur]

115. Life in prison for a lapsed visa?

I don't see that the Government proved conclusively that Moussaoui had anything whatever to do with 9-11; how is it that he's going to be imprisoned for the rest of his life under maximum security (likely solitary confinement)? After being charged with crimes that carry death/ life w/o parole for having fucked-up documents?
Admittedly, I haven't followed the case too closely, but from where I sit, it looks like he's going to get locked-down/tortured/murdered in a Federal prison because his student visa expired.
WTF?
No wonder the undocumented are taking to the Street to get a little clarity on their status.
And I'm not implying that all the new people are here to game the system so they can commit crimes, but rather, the implication should suggest to all that anyone on U.S. soil is now devoid of former Constitutional guarantees because their papers weren't-in-order. Anyone. Death Penalty. Or Life Without the Possibility of Parole.
I've read most of this thread, and my opinion definitely goes against all the " I agrees" to the life w/o parole sentence, but man, locking a guy down for life because he got caught with un-updated documents?
Oh yeah, he's a damn darkie Frenchman too, and he doesn't take a good picture either. Put that together with an expired student visa, and that's good enough reason as any to lock-up a guy for life?
Once more,:wtf:

[mile53]

103. Put Him In The Prison Population

Ditto on the no matyrdom. The best place for him will be in the open prison population. He could end up wishing for something different there.

[LetsGoMurphys]

108. will he be in the general pop? n/t

[Greyskye]

132. no. lifetime solitary confinement.

With no contact w/ the outside world. Ever.

[derby378]

3. No link?

I thought all LBN threads needed an actual link.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. For the rules police ..... here ya go

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11669251/

Verdict reached in Moussaoui trial
Judge doesn’t believe Moussaoui’s 9/11 claims

[0007]

83. Golly do we really have DU rules police force? I think the grammar

force gave up on me. ;)

[Jacobin]

4. Oh gawd, now we have to hear all the talking heads whine

I don't believe in the death penalty and I'm glad for the outcome. The guy was in jail when it all happened.

He needs to be in jail. He doesn't need to be murdered.

[Mr_Spock]

77. No talking heads here

unless your TV turns itself on and outomatically switched to a talking head :D

[sinkingfeeling]

6. In some way, I'm relieved. No saint hood for him. But no dying for a

'might have'.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. I'm glad they aren't going to murder him. nt

[Jacobin]

13. "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.:

That was the presidential daily briefing that Bush/Condi got a month before hand and who did nothing.

I'm with you.

Put the man in jail and let's impeach the culprits who did nothing and who could have done something before 9/11

[stevedeshazer]

79. Me too. It would solve nothing. n/t

[Orangepeel]

10. well knock me over with a feather

I think this is the right decision (I don't believe in the death penalty, I think life in prison is a worse punishment anyway, and I think this guy is too crazy and stupid to have been trusted with any real knowledge or planning), but I'm very surprised.

[DemExpat]

49. I'm "pleasantly" surprised too.....no to the death penalty.

DemEx

[ginnyinWI]

65. it's wonderful news!

I was really shocked but happy to hear it. If he is sane, he wants to be a martyr--so don't give it to him. If he's insane, shouldn't get death penalty. He didn't kill anyone.

[The Stranger]

11. How many "20th hijackers" have there been?

Maybe they can put them all on a single cell block, if there is one constructed that is big enough.

[Rocknrule]

16. Bill Clinton and Saddam Hussein were the other 20th hijackers

[Burma Jones]

30. Everyone knows Pete Best was the 20th Hijacker

Well, who knows what a Federal Pen will hold for the guy and whether there will be State charges to come....

[sofa king]

87. About as many as the #2 guys in al Qaeda.

I hear that one of the announced al Qaeda Number Two deaths was actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_Two#Prisoner">Leo McKern. Which reminds me.... Has anyone been keeping track of the #2 guy killed/caught/shot in the balls stories? How many are we up to now?

[Stinky The Clown]

12. The sentence is meaningless

He should have been tried for his real crime ...... mental illness.

There was some strong evidence that he was rejected by the real bad guys cuz ..... he was a nutjob.

I wonder if Il Dunce will join OJ for golf and find out how one searches for 'real killers'.

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Damn .... rejected by the 9/11 highjackers

for being a nut job?

That's pretty bad.

[htuttle]

14. Cheated him out of his 72 virgins, eh?

[lindisfarne]

23. When did it increase to 72 from 40 virgins?? Just curious; I've heard both

but 72 more recently.

[Tesha]

33. Inflation; it's everywhere! (NT)

[AussieDave]

64. No no no - inflation happens AFTER you get the 72 virgins......

:evilgrin:

[Lost-in-FL]

78. Ya'll crazy!!

Inflation... Bwaaaa!! :rofl: :rofl:

[Bucky]

102. I think the inflation part is that the virgins are really overweight now

They've been sitting around in paradise just chowing down on hummus and stuffed grape leaves for a 1000 years and now they've really let themselves go. Think about it. IF they were all that hot, would they still be virgins?

[The Wizard]

101. A new translation

Says the virgins are really bunches of grapes. Somebody's going to be really disappointed.

[cal04]

15. link Al-Qaida Conspirator Moussaoui Gets Life

Al-Qaida Conspirator Moussaoui Gets Life

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060503/ap_on_re_us/moussaoui

[acmavm]

17. Am I ever surprised. I thought the only choices would be rare, medium,

or well done.

This is a wise move. I think he wanted to go down as a big shot, even if it meant execution. Hero worshipped in the Middle East as a martyr for Islam, killed by the American Satan.

Sometimes the way things turn out surprise me.

Wonder how long he'll last in prison.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

21. not long.

this guy's gonna get death either way.

sooner rather than later.

[BrightKnight]

43. bench-press bar - n/t

[Midnight Rambler]

19. Looks like this country is finally starting to understand martyrdom

You kill him, you make him more important than he actually was. This guy is basically a freeper... talks a big game, but chickens out when it comes down to it. But you sentence him to death, you turn a wannabe into a genuine martyr, which is not the smartest thing to do.

[uppityperson]

20. Thought Criminal goes to jail, doesn't get executed

[Bucky]

104. His "thoughts" included withholding information from FBI

Not telling the FBI about impending mass murders does make him a part of the conspiracy of 9/11. I really see that justice was done here.

[uppityperson]

106. me too. Saying you are going to hurt, kill people demands an action

was just.

[RaleighNCDUer]

129. What could he have told them?

He was isolated from the real hijackers and therefore had no idea of the 'go' date; he might have known a couple names, if they were the name by which he knew them -- don't forget that at least 6 of the hijackers have been located alive and well in their home countries...we don't have any idea who the people were who were using their names; he was paid by the same money-man, but that reached outside the FBI's jurisdiction.

It was a trumped up show trial.

What MIGHT have stopped it was following up on the Phoenix memo, which identified two of the hijackers; paying attention to the PDB; actually keeping people out of the country who were on the terror watch list. There were many links that were overlooked or ignored, and Moussaoui (sp?) was the very least of them.

This was not about 9/11. This was about 'why we fight', just like "United 93" was.

[ewagner]

22. I'm okay with this....

no death penalty....he wasn't a "killer" and couldn't have stopped it either....

[ronnykmarshall]

25. He could have stopped it.

He could have notified the FBI and would have let the White House know and they ............ YEAH you're right, he couldn't have stopped it.

[Minstrel Boy]

42. And yet elements within the FBI

were going to extraordinary lengths to see Moussaoui's knowledge stayed hidden:

For instance:

Not only did Dave Frasca (supervising special agent in charge of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit in Washington D.C) not share the information about Moussaoui to other appropriate intelligence/law enforcement authorities, he also, according to Rowley "never disclosed to the Minneapolis agents that the Phoenix Division had, only three weeks earlier, warned of Al Qaeda operatives in flight schools seeking flight training for terrorists purposes!" (Rowley's memo to FBI, May 21, 2002 p. 3) It is of course impossible to believe that Dave Frasca on his own, is just sitting on this information and not doing anything with it, unless ordered to do so.

The Minneapolis agents even tried to do an end run around Dave Frasca and notified the CIA's Counter Terrorist Center. The end result was that FBI headquarters personal (Dave Frasca and unnamed higher ups) "actually chastised the Minneapolis agents for making the direct notification without their approval." (Rowley Report, p. 4) Going even further, Dave Frasca "undercut" the search warrant application by not adding information on Moussaoui's foreign power connections which he had promised Minneapolis agents would be included. He also made damaging changes to the text provided by Minneapolis agents thereby, according to one Minneapolis agent, "setting this up for failure." (Rowley Report p. 4)

Even after the World Trade Center was hit, Agent Rowley asked Dave Frasca if she could now obtain a criminal search warrant for Moussaoui's laptop and personal property, she was again refused because it was probably all a "coincidence". Agent Rowley was warned to "do nothing" because "we might ‘screw up' something else going on elsewhere in the country." (Rowley Report, p. 7) The words "do nothing" are interesting; even more revealing what's to ‘screw up' at that point, except another plane going into another building?

After, when Rowley talked to other FBI agents in other parts of the country, the first question was Why?—"Why would an FBI agent(s) deliberately sabotage a case?" Agent Rowley reports that jokes were made that FBI Headquarters personnel were "spies" or "moles" who were actually "working for Osama Bin Laden." (Rowley Report p. 7) Apparently no one mentioned that it could be the other way around i.e., Bin Laden working for the CIA/FBI. The notion that Bush cabinet members were urging the CIA/FBI chiefs to keep a lit on local FBI investigative actions to arrest or curtail terrorist plots was, at the time, an unthinkable thought. That after all, would not be a joke. It would be one of the most murderous, diabolical cover up committed against American citizens by an American President and cabinet.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html

[Jacobin]

52. Yeah, but but but

If this crazy guy had gone to the authorities and said: "Me and some of my friends are gonna hijack a bunch of jets and fly them into buildings" he would have been believed.......er, or, well, uhm...nevermind

[mortlefaucheur]

116. Don't forget "the Plot" of 1995...

...where according to various and sundry "public servants" (well after 9-11) that "al-Queda" planned to hijack and strike up to a dozen U.S. targets simultaneously. And the so-called "dry run" before that, the one that supposedly played-out at a Paris airport; where modern psy-ops invented the media fantasy of a suicide hijacking of an airliner taking down the Eiffel Tower, by the ever-nebulous and ever-convenient so-called "Islamo-fascists".
In the grand scheme of things, Moussaoui got busted for, and will go to prison for life for being a foreign undocumented student with delusions of grandeur.
Confessed al-Queda, my ass.

[WoodrowFan]

130. that came out well before 2001

No, the details of those plots came out well before 2001, not after 9-11.

http://www.complete911timeline.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=100#a96wamy

[pberq]

61. This is very important information and should be kept in mind

The suppression of the investigations by Frasca is more important than what happens to Moussaoui.

Have we been given anything resembling a logical explanation for this? Not that I know of.

[The Witch]

26. Fox News is showing his picture and 9-11 footage together.

At least the talking head isn't huge.

MSNBC had a funny graphic that said "LIVE IN PRISON." They fixed it, tho.

[Sal316]

27. Freepers are already foaming at the mouth.

Calling the jurors who voted against the death penalty 'anti-troop', 'liberals', 'democrats', 'anti-American', and openly threatening them.

Why am I not surprised the sloped-foreheaded knuckledraggers at FR are acting this way?

[Mr_Spock]

72. Freepers hate America

...and our stupid ol' "system of laws" :eyes:

[saigon68]

123. Their HERO

[Zhade]

98. "Anti-troop" - there's the bullshit conflation of 9/11-Iraq again.

As if THEIR OWN GOD GEEDUBYA DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS NO LINK HIMSELF!

Man, freepers are fucking stupid.

[Pastiche423]

28. I'm confused

What did he do that * administration din't do as well?

[Jacobin]

34. lol

That's correct. About the same.

But, they need someone to blame other than the WH goons who ignored the PDB, so....

[Pastiche423]

40. Whew!

Thanks for that. My brain doesn't hurt quite as much now.

[truth2power]

93. That's what bothers me more than anything..

I think Moussaui is a thought criminal.

Bush knew and yet he's not on trial for his life. Why not? The whole Bush administration and the FBI went to extraordinary lengths not to follow up on information that was given them. They are as guilty as Moussaui.

[Zynx]

31. He should be in a mental hospital, not prison.

At least they didn't execute him.

[Saphire]

55. I agree...I think he's batshit crazy!

[Radio_Guy]

32. I am NOT OK with it

Of course he shouldn't get the death penalty, but did the government actually PROVE he was the 20th hijacker? Did they PROVE is was part of the 9/11? Or is he a scapegoat to help cover up the government's involvement in 9/11. Has he been sentenced just to help the feelings of the people who believe Iraq did 9/11? If he really was involved, fine. Let him stay behind bars. But I have my doubts.

[Mr_Spock]

73. Imagine the Freeper heads exploding when they find he lied

...and wanted to be martyred - but actually he really was a nut job who was kicked out of the terror club :rofl:

At least now there will be time to reexamine the government case just to be sure.

[endarkenment]

35. Life in prison for being a frootloop seems harsh to me.

However it is far better than death for idiocy. This guy actually didn't commit any real crimes.

[kurth]

36. I agree. He got life for not talking

when asked.

[endarkenment]

41. And no real proof he even knew anything new to talk about

that the FBI had not already ignored at least 70 times according to sworn testimony at his joke of a trial.

Moussoui ought to be sentenced to work at a local IHOP for the rest of his unnatural life. Think of the irony.

[Alfalfa Wolf]

37. Nutjob

I was never convinced that he had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. To me he seemed like a nutjob who wanted a little attention....

[Mr_Spock]

74. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[plasticsundance]

38. The proceeding were a complete joke.

First, the government charged Moussaoui with being a conspirator in 911, but the government case was so weak they had to lessen it to being an accomplice before the fact. Then, the government tainted its own witnesses, because a lawyer representing the airlines in a case brought against them by 911 families said it would help the airlines in court.

This was a stupid show trial. Moussaoui is totally loco, and time and money would have been better spent chasing the real culprits.

[Turbineguy]

39. A Life Sentence

in prison can be short.

Look at Jeff Dahmer.

[Ryujin]

118. Particularly when...

...a pissed off President starts wondering who can rid him of 'this troublesome terrorist.' A couple of phonecalls, a promise of a reduced sentence to some multiple murderer, and the problem will simply go away. The pressure to reopen the case of a dead guy is usually much less than for someone still alive. I give Massaoui about two years...tops.

[cboy4]

44. Everyone on this thread who is saying this guy is crazy is wrong

in my opinion.

Not everyone who does horrible things is mentally ill.

At the most, he's been brainwashed.

At the least, he is just plain hateful.

[Jacobin]

45. Some people are hateful and crazy

Bottom line:

He didn't kill anyone. He was in jail when it happened. The presidential daily briefing told BushTheIdiot that Bin Laden was planning to attack the U.S. and he did nothing.

Does anyone really really really believe that if this guy had gone to the authorities and said: "Hey, me and my friends are gonna hijack a bunch of jetliners and flying them into buildings" that anyone would have believed him?

[cboy4]

51. I agree with what you say

He is a loser.....and had he gotten out of jail.....Al Qaeda probably would have killed him anyway for embarrassing them.

[Zynx]

47. He said stuff that was pure fantasy about his role.

No evidence supported it. At the very least he is highly delusional.

[cboy4]

50. He just wanted to come across as a Muslim hero

He knew he wasn't going to get out anyway.....so he went for broke.

He made shit up.....I certainly don't believe he was a key player in the Al Qaeda chain.

[Mr_Spock]

76. Is there no possibility in your mind for insanity?

You may be wrong also...

[NightOwwl]

46. This is a worse punishment than death for him...

Good for the jury...they understood this.

[goclark]

90. I agree, now if they would put GW in a cell next too him

that would really be JUSTICE!

[DinahMoeHum]

48. This was almost the courtroom equivalent of Suicide By Cop. . .

thank goodness the jury did not fall for it. The judge very likely agrees.

[Catamount]

53. Yes, they did the right thing! A victory for the American Spirit! n/t

K&R

[truthisfreedom]

54. good. we didn't need a martyr.we needed someone who suffers continuously.

that's the proper message.

[cboy4]

56. OH! The mother of one of the 9/11 victims just made an awesome point:

She said for him to spend the rest of his life around the people he hates is the ultimate punishment.

Well said!

[Shadoobie]

58. So who will be the next Jack Ruby?

Just wondering. :tinfoilhat:

Greg

[Pavulon]

62. Hopefully

the guy in the shower with hep3 or AIDS.


This POS is going to suffer in prison.

[Pastiche423]

96. Maybe...

one of the others that are kept in secret prisons?

Ramsey bin al-Shib
Kalid Sheik Mohammed
Khalad bin-Otosh (sp?)

What I can't figure out, is why they are secrets. Could they know a little too much about what happened September 11, 2001? Kinda, sorta, maybe like WHO THE REAL CULPRITS WERE?

Ya think?

[rzemanfl]

59. Absolutely the correct decision. n/t

[redirish28]

63. The verdict was deserved.... Moussaoui is an individual in much need of

help.


What has my wife very confused is that one of the counts. spoke of being guilty of using WMDs in 9/11. Are they saying that the airplanes are the WMDs? If so then what does that say the next time a plane goes down? Does that mean the airline could be held for the distruction that a airplane does as a WMD?


I think what she is worried about is the Moussaoui trail will in fact set a precedent that will be on the books for a long time.

I mean if my wife completely misunderstood the the count please let us know but as she was listening to it on tv she just started wondering all this out loud.

[Pavulon]

66. WMD

is a loose term. Using anything with the design to cause mass death qualifies. Not just NBC.

I am not concerned for him. I hope he lives out his life in misery. He is lucky to be alive. He is a admitted conspirator in a military action on us soil.

He is going to a place where everyone hates him and he will be killed by inmates with nothing to loose.

The case was solid, he was in flight training with the rest of the assholes and did not say why when captured.

I don't care why they did.

[Zhade]

100. Here's hoping you never go crazy...

...pretend to be involved in something you aren't, get arrested and face a kangaroo court, then wind up in prison for the rest of your life - all based on a ginned-up case using tainted evidence and government secrecy to railroad you into prison.

From what I've read, this guy knew just about nothing, wasn't even FREE when it happened, yet you hope he suffers in prison.

I'm not saying the guy's innocent, I'm saying the government didn't make their case...and something tells me there's going to be a huge blow-up here about this.

[KDLarsen]

111. Hardly a military action

While carried out with military precision, it was still done by a non-military organisation.

[RaleighNCDUer]

131. It must warm the government's heart to know that someone out

there believes their story.

[mortlefaucheur]

119. Just MHeducatedO, redirish,

but when you look at the development of weaponry since the West utilized gunpowder after Chinese developments, a hijacked airliner hardly qualifies as a weapon of mass-destruction.
A hijacked airliner is a conventional conveyance used in an un-conventional method, as a weapon, as in a terrorist attack targeting civilians without regard to age, race, or sex... But not a WMD, neither as conventionally nor formerly defined by the Government.
I'm too new to mention any parallels that might cast the United States in anything less than a favorable light; let the readers draw their own conclusions...
As to your other question about airliners crashing by accident, which happens quite frequently (and even to a certain Minnesota U.S. Senator running for re-election in 2002), I do believe the media eventually did successfully paint Paul as a tool for terrorism, so there you go.
YMMV
Yes, the Moussaoui trial guarantees that anyone on U.S. soil, legal- citizen-or-not, is subject to immediate arrest and detention. Should your status come under scrutiny and your documentation be more than 2 weeks out of date, then you needed a kick-ass printer/laminator, but now you need a lawyer(s).
If you have enough money in MurKKKa, you can get away with anything.
Unless your wife is a pilot, why is she so concerned?
Everyone is welcome to visit fascist MurKKKa, just make sure your papers are up-to-date and you have lots of money.

[wordpix2]

67. OMG--911 widow Kristin Breitweiser calls *Co "scary" because so inept

This just on Tweety-MSNBC. Discussion with Michael Isakoff centered around Khalid Sheik Mohammed and others responsible for 911 --they are holed away somewhere by * and even Congressional members don't know where and the perps don't get a trial. OTOH, Massaoui who wasn't involved in the 911 plot because he wasn't wanted (too "unstable") gets the big show trial.

:wtf:

[YankeyMCC]

68. Mrs Lemack's remarks say it all for me:

Carie Lemack, whose mother, Judy Larocque, died on hijacked American Airlines Flight 11, which crashed into the World Trade Center, said her mom didn't believe in the death penalty and would have been glad Moussaoui was sentenced to life. "This man was an al-Qaida wannabe who could never put together the 9/11 attacks," Lemack said. "He's a wannabe who deserves to rot in jail."


and Mrs Dillard gives me hope for our society:

Rosemary Dillard, whose husband Eddie died in the attacks, said of Moussaoui: "He's a bad man, but we have a fair society." She said of terrorists: "We will treat them with respect no matter what they do to us."

[Proud Liberal Dem]

69. I fully agree with the jury

Although I'm generally against the death penalty, I would not object to its use against people like Bin Laden or any of the 9/11 hijackers(had any of them survived) or conspirators. However, since Bin Laden has gone missing(?) and the 9/11 hijackers are, of course, already dead, I guess the government, the families of the 9/11 victims, and the rest of the American public had to settle on punishing Moussaui even though he was ALREADY in prison at the time of the attacks and does not even appear to have been trusted enough by the organizers of the plot to remain an active participant in it. I don't have any particular sympathy for Moussaui and, given some of his wild and hateful rhetoric that he used during the course of his trial, he seems far too dangerous to be released to roam free in this country or any other. A life sentence with no parole seems appropriate in his case. However, I can't help feeling as though he was more or less made a "scapegoat" by our government in order for us to exact retribution against Bin Laden and Al-Queda, albeit by proxy, instead of redoubling our efforts (and focus) to bring some of the REAL perpetrators of that awful day to justice.

[Scout]

70. good. He wanted to die, so make him rot his life away in prison. n/t

[SKKY]

71. Now if we could only feed him Pork for the rest of eternity...

...THAT would be justice. And maybe because, as an American, I'm still pissed off about what happened on 9/11, I'd like to see him be forced to
enjoy endless episodes of the 700 club, along with his pork sandwhiches. In the end, we did the right thing. Killing him would only have, in
his sick little mind, given him the victory he thinks he won.

[Hoping4Change]

75. Excuse me but I think you are way off base.

700 Club constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.;)

[Bucky]

105. Funny. But seriously, feeding a Muslim pork is form of torture & we don't

oh never mind

[SKKY]

110. Exactly!!!

;-)

[brer cat]

112. So you believe in torture...

join the *club. Feed him pork and the 700 club. That certainly makes you a REAL American. :sarcasm:

[mortlefaucheur]

120. ALiberalSailor, why would pork be justice?

Just askin.
Are Muslims supposed to offend their faith to 'prove' their loyalty to the Government?
I may be new, but I gotta say your fixation on PORK/force-feeding seems less-than-counterproductive, at best.
Just sayin.

[Hoping4Change]

134. Hasn't he already offended his faith by his gleeful inolvement

in mass murder? Eating pork should be the last of his worries. At this point I doubt it'd make much difference to Allah if he sucked blood from a live pig.

[bluestateguy]

80. Probably the best decision

No more appeals and having to listen to his hateful rants.

Though I do hope he dies in prison from an "accident".

[benny05]

81. Freepers are having a field day

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1626179/posts

They engender so much love, peace, and understanding...:dunce:

[wordpix2]

109. "room him with Shecky Finkleberg, the Hassidic Homo Hammer"

This freeper is not only a homophobe, he's also anti-Semitic.

"The verdict I was hoping for. Now, if they'll room him with Shecky Finkleberg, The verdict I was hoping for. Now, if they'll room him with Shecky Finkleberg, the Hassidic Homo Hammer, it'll be *perfect.*

[benny05]

126. These are the same guys I'd like to take to a "Hair" concert

But it would have to be called something else and off broadway--but for the shock value of it.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

95. thank you. Manners all.

:rofl:

[pauldp]

84. Glad that's over. Are they going to release the video of the Pentagon

strike now? Actually I guess it's 3 videos that the FBI has - from the Hilton across the highway,
the gas station and the DOT camera. Their excuse has been the Moussaoui trial.
C'mon guys I want to see why we went to war.

[wordpix2]

85. K&R ! 9-11 Widow BREITWEISER on Matthews/MSNBC Now -MUST SEE!!!

[Borgnine]

86. I'm amazed.

I thought for sure they'd give him the death penalty. For once, a right decision was made.

I'm not surprised to see Freepers clamoring for his death. They have no understanding of punishment outside of murder, despite the concept of martyrdom being so prevalent in this case.

[wordpix2]

88. WOW!!!! 9-11 Widow Breitweiser is POUNDING BUSHCO'S INEPTITUDE

:wow: She, Isakoff and Tweety talking about other Islamists including bin Laden, Ramsey bin al-Shib, Kalid Sheik Mohammed and Khalad bin-Otosh (sp?) are more responsible for 911 than inept Massoui, but these others are kept in secret prisons we know not where, and their documents are in gov. hands but the important files disappear.

Tweety's picking up on this story from Breitweister---this is VERY HOT. This is going to blow * out of the water--he is going down FAST after this. :wow: :wow: :wow:


Also, reason BushCo doesn't want to prosecute the above ringleaders of 911 is that all of his secret prison and torture info will come out!!!!!!!! :wow:

[Raine]

92. Good

then no one can turn him into a martyr and he can rot in prison getting older and uglier till he is a toothless shell of a person.

[arwalden]

99. HA!! Good!! A Nice LONG Punishment...

... why should his punishment end early with death? Why should we stop his confinement and suffering by freeing him into the realm of death? Dead men don't care anymore? Dead men aren't suffering or remourseful. Dead is dead. Dead is not punishment.

I hope he lives a nice long long life.

[Chrisduhfur]

107. Some people deserve to be killed.

Take my ex-wife for example(actually I don't have an ex-wife, so take my possible future ex-wife as an example) I don't really understand the deal with this or why he was even eligible the death penalty. Anyways, I personally don't take some morale stand against the death penalty because I think it's wrong, but rather I think it's worse for the prisoner. I think I would rather see people rot in prison doing hard labor 18 hours of the day for their entire sentence. :D While death kinda sucks, I hate work more.....

[Oversea Visitor]

113. Excuse me Sir

Is this the typical way a normal American man think about woman and their wife or possible wife?
I am trying to understand Americans man and you do look like a fine example with you stand on death penalty and all.

And I am so confuse over your ex-wife example, then your actually dont have a ex-wife statement.
Does it mean you never have one or your ex-wife die so now you actually dont have one?

Me trying to understand American usage of english. So sorry I do get very confuse. Can you explain.
Me :( not very smart.

Then you statement of possible future ex-wife. Do you mean you have a wife now or you dont have cause you need a wife before you can ex then right?

Do normal Americans men marry then make then ex-wife then so that they deserve to be killed?
Me not understand all this American man style. Maybe you can help me.
Good to understand how people think around the world.

Thanking you for you help in advance, would appreciate if you can answer my question.

[mortlefaucheur]

117. That's very Funny! LOL!

Your spelling is quite excellent, though your syntax and grammar leave much to be desired.
Keep up the good work with your English studies, you're getting better, I think.

[Chrisduhfur]

124. lol nono I was joking.

Lol I was joking around. Many people often times make jokes about their ex-spouses and I was just playing along with that, lol. Mostly because I could imagine someone saying something like that.

I am not married, hell, I am 29yrs old an never even kissed a woman before. :(

[mortlefaucheur]

121. To the OP, I'm not. n/t.

*

[Burma Jones]

125. It's Life in solitary without parole

No Radio, No TV, an hour a day of walking in a cage if he behaves, nobody to talk to but himself....

Like living in a tomb...he will rot

[wordpix]

127. life in solitary, a very good sentence for the likes of rotten Massoui

[Selteri]

122. While I think the trial was a sham...

I think life be the best we couldhave hoped for, there all that can happen is that some day an inmate will kill him...

Right now I'd take bets that unless he's under some kind of special protection...

[Arkana]

128. Good.

Moussaoui was prepared to die for Islam. However, he is not prepared to have someone put a band-aid on his left cheek and make him their Nelly.

No martyrdom for this asshole.

[Alcibiades]

133. Crazy

Moussoui’s as crazy as a loon. He looks crazy. Granted, that’s not a clinical diagnosis, but could be part of one:

“With blunted affect (flattening of emotions), the patient's face may appear immobile, with poor eye contact and lack of expressiveness.”

Fits Moussoui to a T. Moussoui was not subjected to a full psychological workup because he refused to cooperate—the government’s competency findings were based on a 2-hour interview. The department of justice has psychologists who do these insanity evaluations, and I actually trust that they normally render fair assessments, but this is such a high-profile case that I doubt the evaluation (what little there was) was conducted fairly. Would you want to be the government psychologist who found Moussoui competent? A sure-fire career killer.

It’s odd, but really, truly crazy people almost never consent to an insanity defense. Many will do as Moussoui did and act as their own attorneys.

The government’s case in re competency was that Moussoui wasn’t crazy, though he said and did crazy things, but simply a fanatic. That’s usually true of terrorists—as much as we would like to think they are crazy, they see themselves as soldiers, and so their actions are not a sign of a mental defect, but simply that they are willing to kill for a cause, like any soldier. In this case, however, it seems that Moussoui became a terrorist wanna-be because he is crazy.

This whole affair is utterly consistent with the criminal way the Bush administration has handled 9-11 in general. The terrorists were Saudis, but wait, the Bush family are great friends of the Saudi royal family, so Bush could not invade them, so he chose to invade Iraq instead. The terrorists are all either dead, or beyond our reach, so let’s put this crazy Moussoui guy on trial instead, so that we can claim that justice has been done.