Iraqi Police kill 14 year old boy "for being homosexual"

[Charlie Brown]

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article362151.ece

Human rights groups have condemned the "barbaric" murder of a 14-year-old boy, who, according to witnesses, was shot on his doorstep by Iraqi police for the apparent crime of being gay.

Ahmed Khalil was shot at point-blank range after being accosted by men in police uniforms, according to his neighbours in the al-Dura area of Baghdad.

Campaign groups have warned of a surge in homophobic killings by state security services and religious militias following an anti-gay and anti-lesbian fatwa issued by Iraq's most prominent Shia leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Neighbours in al-Dura district say Ahmed's father was arrested and interrogated two days before his son's murder by police who demanded to know about Ahmed's sexual activities. It is believed Ahmed slept with men for money to support his poverty-stricken family, who have fled the area fearing further reprisals.

The killing of Ahmed is one of a series of alleged homophobic murders. There is mounting evidence that fundamentalists have infiltrated government security forces to commit homophobic murders while wearing police uniforms.

[DS1]

1. Ahh, Dick Cheney's private brigade of muslim nazis are on patrol

where the oil is.

God Bless America.

[awoke_in_2003]

44. Which is quite ironic

being that his daughter is a lesbian.

[bluerum]

2. Democracy is on the march. Just not in Iraq.

[IndianaGreen]

3. If they could get away with it, fundies in America would do the same thing

and murder every LGBT they could get their hands on.

This never happened under Saddam!

[ninkasi]

15. Yes, they most certainly would

I have no words to express the contempt I feel for the people who are willing to hate, and destroy, people they don't agree with, or understand. LGBT rights are no more, nor more less, than human rights. Bush, and his whole corrupt administration, have given the aura of legitimacy to hating a whole segment of the population.

These smug, self-righteous haters do not realize how contemptible their hatred is, nor how repugnant many of us find their policies. They are allowed a choice, and the same rights should be extended to every other person in this country. How pathetic, that a political party, the Republicans, maintain their base by catering to the lowest prejudices of the population.

What a pity it is that the Republican platform is based on hatred, prejudice, and greed. I would pity them, if they didn't cause so much pain to so many people.

[Lib Grrrrl]

39. I Hear You

They have caused me great pain in my life...and they continue to cause me great pain, every day they exist.

It is because of them that the economy is lousy. and because the economy is lousy, employers can be more choosy. And because they can be more choosy...trans-people like me are finding ourselves long-term unemployed...because Repukes contribute to the culture that says it is okay to treat GLBT folks as sub-human.

I fucking hate them. I just wish they would all die. I am so serious.

[awoke_in_2003]

45. I know I shouldn't

because my good mom raised me better, but I have to whole heartedly agree. You cannot help but hate these slugs.

[Lib Grrrrl]

47. Exactly!

you just can't help but want to stomp on them, and listen to them squish under your feet....I so badly hate them....

[Jersey Ginny]

16. Yes, There is no difference between the two groups n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

26. True dat.

Educate A Freeper - Flaunt Your Opinions!
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[Lib Grrrrl]

38. Sadly, You Are Right

they really WOULD do this if they could get away with it...which, being a trans-woman myself...scares the hell out of me.
I am ready, at the first sign of things getting that bad...to make my run for the Canadian border and request political asylum.
I hope it does not have to go that far, but I am deadly afraid that it will, in this country.

There isn't even as much support and acceptance in this country FROM THIS SIDE as I'd like to see...and certainly all Repukes hate us!

[Baghdadi]

61. From Conservative to Liberal...

First off...I am a republican. I am a fundamental, conservative, Christian, southern, white male. Although you unfortunately have justifiable reasons for feeling scared, please don't think for a minute that all republicans hate you or want to harm you. That is absolutely not the case! What makes America great, is you have the RIGHT TO CHOOSE your own life. I wouldn't want to live in a country where we didn't have that choice. NOT ALL conservatives or Christians wish any harm on anyone who is lesbian or gay. Although I disagree with the homosexual lifestyle, I adamantly support and defend your RIGHT to live however you choose too as I defend my right to do the same. This action by the IP was dispicable and many other actions by people in our contry are equally as despicable. But just as many of you are constantly preaching for folks in the US to keep an open mind, I pray that you will be able to as well and don't convict all of us! I know your experiences have probably been extremely negative and I wish I could personally do something about that, but just know that not all of us are filled with hate!

[purduejake]

64. Homosexual lifestyle?

Please explain to me what the homosexual lifestyle is? You certainly talk like a bigot.

[Misunderestimator]

68. Glad I checked your profile before bothering to respond to your bigotry.

:hi:

[msongs]

4. or they are hiring american christian right wingers who can't do it here

in the USA but would like to if given the chance.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Erika]

5. Where are Mary Cheney's remarks?

I guess the same place as they were in 2004. Silent unless you're selling a book.

[saltpoint]

10. Excellent point. The daughter of Undisclosed Dick Cheney might offer

her voice in support of that kid and against the war that produced the conditions that killed him.

:thumbsup:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

14. The daughter of The Dick has no clue what it's like

to be so desperate for money that one would sell their own body.

My heart aches for this boy and all his family...

[951-Riverside]

19. Just because Mary is gay doesnt make her a good person

I think she's as disconnected and pompus as the rest of them.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

22. It's what happens when someone is born into great wealth

They grow up compassionless, save for self-pity.

[FuzzyDicePHL]

34. That's not _always_ true....

Although in Miss Cheney's case it is. It depends on the values that the parents teach their children... Her parents have no decent values, so clearly she never had a chance.

This is a horrifying story.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

54. I stand corrected...

There are, of course, cases of people who are born wealthy, priveleged, and graciously generous. I wouldn't count any Bush or Cheney among them.

[benddem]

6. Aren't you glad

that 2400 Americans have died and 17,000 maimed so we could bring them democracy.

[regnaD kciN]

7. Mission Accomplished!

Now, Iraq can serve as a testing ground for our future "democracy." :sarcasm:

[long_green]

57. Bastard! You stole my subject line

and probably sank my battleship, too.

[saltpoint]

8. If it happened as these accounts suggest and in the way they suggest,

then the "democracy" George Bush has brought to that country is non-existent.

Prostitution is an ages-old response to abject poverty and suggests dignity and sacrifice on the part of the prostitute, and heartless facism on the part of these security forces.

Absolutely disgusting.

[6000eliot]

9. Freedom is on the march!

[Orsino]

65. Specifically, a goose-step. n/t

[proud patriot]

11. We sure are bringing freedom

:sarcasm:

[Mr_Spock]

12. That's incredibly disgusting

Fundies are fundies - they like to kill and say God told them to do it.

Just ask Dumbya who told him to go into Iraq :(

[Harper_is_Bush]

13. Well that just sucks. n/t

[Zorra]

17. Welcome to Bu*hworld. n/t

[BoneDaddy]

18. I would just like

to thank the lord jesus christ for that murder of the homo-sexual.... That is what I intended when I came down from heaven on a soft cloud to condemn homosexuals

We need to eradicate this cancer called fundamentalism....start here in america.

IT IS NOT OK TO HATE

[Dead_Parrot]

20. Let Freedom Reign! nt

[Divine Discontent]

21. NO DAMMIT!

okay, I know I'm only oneeeeeeeeeeeeeee person. but this fucking makes my blood boil! that boy got shot and MURDERED for being gay! not only that, he may not have been gay, just because he was selling himself for buggering activities by some oh so moral men there in town, it may have been what he thought he could do to help his family.

I want Elton fucking John to say something in the press about this. (he's gets a curse between his name because he's mostly going off about frivolous things)

I want George Michael to say something in the press about this.

I want Ellen Degeneres to say something in the press about this.

I want Rosie O'Donnell to say something in the press about this.

I will write one letter to my Senator tonight and pray they bring it to his attention.

THIS IS NOTTTTTTTT WHAT WE HAVE DEAD SOLDIERS FOR, AND A HUGE DEFICIT!

I pray that boy is in heaven and unknowing now of what was done to him. I hate fundies of any religion, as a Christian who believes in pacifism, I crack up at the Republican lie that this is a just and RIGHTEOUS cause we're deeply involved in! HA!

[Erika]

23. Why don't you want Mary Cheney to say anything about it?

She's got more impact than anyone else?

[Erika]

24. Why don't you lambast Mary Cheney?

She was bragging about her gayness in 2000, but hid it in 2004 when Karl Rove was baiting in the Religious Right. Why aren't you after her?

[Divine Discontent]

25. because she has NO credibility as a gay woman

and her commenting on this atrocity would not only be out of place, but would NEVER occur...

it's like asking my why I'm not yelling for Bush to yell at the right winged "church" crowd for involving church & state wayyyy too much.

I understand what you're saying, it's just I don't give a f if she says anything, and Bush/Cheney don't care what she says either, she was a pawn for them, an ignorant pawn.


Hopefully, the people I've mentioned in the other post WILL say something. The fatwa that was ordered is against Democratic beliefs, and therefore, could lead to other killings, oh like say, the order to kill all CHRISTIANS and JEWS in Iraq.

That's what I put in my letters to my two Senators.

What did you put in yours'?

[JerseygirlCT]

28. I want anyone who cares about children to say something about this nt

[GoddessOfGuinness]

55. The boy was a prostitute.

The fact that he sold his body to men doesn't necessarily mean he was gay. Of course, it shouldn't matter if he was gay.

The point I'm trying to make is that this boy was doing what he felt he had to do to help his family survive. If they had been financially solvent, it's possible the child might have had sexual relationships with men; but it's doubtful that he would have become a prostitute.

[JerseygirlCT]

27. A little boy... this is horrible in so many ways.

And this is what we've unleashed. Nice.

[Vinca]

29. Ah Democracy . . . I'm so proud. nt

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. Another Iraqi gains freedom. Isn't democracy wonderful?

[dusty64]

31. This is awful

and a perfect example of what happens when sick twisted "religious" fanatics take over a country and it IS happening here too. Thanks bush for spreading your evil around the globe.

[newswolf56]

32. When we realize the obvious purpose of Bush's Iraq policy is...

to impose Islamic theocracy on a formerly secular state -- part of the Grover Norquist scheme to guarantee the safety of capitalism by imposing Abrahamic theocracy (Christian or Islamic it matters not) on the entire world -- then we are forced to the realization that Bush's Iraqi policy is in fact a total success. Doubt this hypothesis? Note for example the repeated (and otherwise inexplicable) escapes of bin Laden and his henchmen; note too the skyrocketing price of petroleum and the huge windfall it provides to support the theocracy (and theocratic schemes) of Saudi Arabia. The homophobic murders in Iraq -- a classic expression of Abrahamic theocratic savagery -- are merely additional proof of the extent to which Bush has triumphed.

Just as the Christians say "the Devil's greatest success was to convince people he doesn't exist," so it is also true that Bush's greatest success is to convince us he is a stupid bungler. The man is in fact the most malevolently cunning world leader since Hitler -- possibly in all of human history (and certainly -- given the thermonuclear arsenal at his command -- by far the most dangerous); the soaring frequency of homosexuals murdered and tortured to death by police in Iraq is merely one of Bush's unspeakably hideous achievements.

_________
Edit: clarity.

[ShortnFiery]

35. Why should we assume that the * Administration wants Democracy

when we see each day how OUR OWN country is creeping toward a totalitarian police state?

We should not let the Greedy Corporations nor War-Profiteers "work their wedge issues"

with immigrants = we really are ALL (non-investor class) both pawns and cannon fodder now.

with the economy = Corporations and Free Market Forces (not true love of Country and adherence to our Constitution) RULE!

the wealthy = Are said by our Corporate Media to be beautiful people who supply us little people with jobs. They, not our abject poor, deserve more WELFARE.

the use of contraception and the availability of abortions are EVIL = the Right Wing used the nut-case religious Christians to push this point NOT out of love of humanity, but for the need of more available SOLDIERS in their future wars. These Wars are to keep us distracted as well as encouraging increased concentration of wealth throughout The World.

AND the new Jews are Liberals - the Gays are all liberals TOO - that is, the Log Cabin Republicans are only a liberally inspired delusion) - for the Corporate News Models continue to remind us that these evil Democratic Party members ARE ALL Liberals. It's been already proven by Saints Limbaugh and Bennett that LIBERALS are the scourge of the earth by wishing to take away the "common mans" wealth for the needs of those many irritating meek, poor and disenfranchised Americans.

Again, let's not believe all the above lies. We must join together will our Mexican Immigrants without splitting-hairs on Legal Status to ORGANIZE UNIONS that truly care about the health and welfare of "ALL AMERICANS" - both the weak and the strong.

Greed is killing this once great Country. We need REGULATED Capitalism and also to use our tax dollars for schools and lifting up the opportunities of the working class. That's not Socialism or welfare, that's both the true Christian and/or Humanitarian foundation that a GREAT COUNTRY should be built upon. :hi:

[BrklynLiberal]

60. Very well said!!!!

[abester]

33. So whats the big news?

A _LOT_ of so-called civilized western people wouldn't mind doing the same thing at home, if only that pesky constitution wasn't in the way... Really guys, you should know that gay hatred is sadly a universal quality of (too many) men.

[hedgehog]

36. The kid may not even have been gay!

Notice that they shot the prostitute but let the customers walk. This is a typical response and has been for millennia. (Ever notice that it was only the "woman caught in adultery" that was going to be stoned? Ever wonder what happened to her partner?)

[Nikia]

63. I noticed that too

He, the boy, was killed for corrupting those poor adult men. The sex object is always the evil one, not the sexual aggressor.
I don't mean to imply that homosexuals should be killed, even for soliciting a teenage boy, or penalized. I am just pointing out the double standard.

[hedgehog]

67. Makes me wonder how many on the death squad were customers

That would explain everything. After all, the boy is the one who "corrupted" them with his good looks and all.

[DIKB]

37. I'm sure

that somewhere there's a proud Freeper/Repuke.

[Coventina]

40. LET FREEDOM REIGN!

:sarcasm:

[Zenlitened]

41. Religious fundamentalists are barbarians, primitive proto-humans....

... who renounce any right or claim to our shared humanity when they do things like this.

It's disgusting and unforgivable, no matter what religion it's rooted in. :grr:

...an anti-gay and anti-lesbian fatwa issued by Iraq's most prominent Shia leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

(snip)

Human rights groups are particularly concerned that the Sadr and Badr militias, both Shia, have stepped up their attacks on the gay community after a string of religious rulings, since the US-led invasion, calling for the eradication of homosexuals.

Grand Ayatollah Sistani recently issued a fatwa on his website calling for the execution of gays in the "worst, most severe way".

The powerful Badr militia acts as the military wing of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), which counts Ayatollah Sistani as its spiritual leader. Another fatwa from the late and much revered Ayatollah Abul Qassim Khoei allows followers to kill gays "with a sword, or burn him alive, or tie his hands and feet and hurl him down from a high place".

[Kailassa]

42. And we see one of the reasons for the tyrannical violence

of Saddam Hussein's reign.

He was in a constant struggle to keep the moderate Muslims, the Sunni, in power.
His rule meant that Iraq could modernize and move to a western lifestyle. Women could study, become professionals and travel freely on their own. If Iraq had been left in peace the people would have thrived, become educated, and been able to question and change things. This would inevitably led, over time, to democracy.

Education plus decent living conditions will always defeat fundamentalism. This is why weak cowards, wanting to defeat democracy in America, attack the living conditions and education systems for "the masses" and create a nationalized chauvinist religion to fill the void left behind.

What America could never countenance was a strong Iraq in control of the oil reserves they wanted. There is nothing accidental about the turmoil over there now. Bush was told this would happen if action was not taken to help re-organize Iraq, and he refused to look at the careful research people had done on the aftermath of the initial "shock and awe." It was known that the Shiites were the majority, that they were fundamentalists, and that they would assume power. This was bound to lead to a tragic schism in Iraqi society that would inevitably give birth to a civil war.

Iraq has been brought to its knees as a way of making sure the oil there will not be sold until it suits those running the oil companies here. A mythical oil shortage has been created to up the petrol prices, and the U.S. is going to overcharge consumers for as long as they can make the oil last. Thus every country with oil supplies is now in danger unless they let the U.S. dictate every word of their policies.

We fucked Iraq, and now many despise Iraqis as they never have before. Iraq is our whore, pushed into giving us what we want, and then kicked in the teeth for being the one who has what we want.

And the ruin we have made of Iraq is leaving children like Ahmed having to work as prostitutes for their families' survival. Education is ruined, welfare is ruined, opportunities has dried up, and food is getting too expensive for the average Iraqi. But the Shiites can't/won't help with these things. Punishing the victim is always simpler and more satisfying.

And don't forget that in the eyes of the Iraqis, there is another group also considered as whores and punished with death when they are caught. - Those who are so desperate for employment they are driven to work for the "great Satan," the American invaders.

[Jack Rabbit]

43. More democracy on the march

. . . and how about that rule of law?

[jeanarrett]

46. Please read this article from the Metro Times this week.

This practice is not new and it doesn't stem from anything Dick Cheney has done (though I'd love to blame him). It is a cultural thing in the Muslim world, however wrong we believe it to be, and I do:

http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=9169

[Jed Dilligan]

49. Blame Cheney.

No invasion = no Sistani = no fatwa
also = (probably) boy's family not too poor to sell his ass.

No, the blood lands squarely on Cheney's bald head, culture or not.

[Jed Dilligan]

48. And in "important" news...

Ted Kennedy's son might have almost maybe got a DUI. cnn.com right now!

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. Somehow, I don't think the U.S. fundamentalists are going to be

outraged and rallying in the streets over this.

Sadly.

:(

[bluerum]

51. No - but the glasses will be clinking in the local vfw.

[haab]

52. Are we going to impose our democracy on Iraq

Surely we can't.... Democracy + Islam = Fundamentalism.... It's inevitable....

If Iraq's most prominent Shia leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani issued an anti-gay and anti-lesbian fatwa, that's there business not ours.

We need to get out of Iraq and let Iraqis do what ever they bloody well want to do..!!

[Chulanowa]

58. Well, I looked through Sistani's site

And I couldn't find any such fatwah. However, he has issued statements regarding media reports based on the word of people claiming to be representative of him and his offive - that these people are lying. Running a search produces absolutely no results for "homosexual" (or any more colliquial slang terms, for that matter), and the only results for "kill" are with regards to the proper way to slaughter an animal.

He's also spoken out against vigilantism and militias.

The man may be a fundie, but I haven't seen any evidence that he's a dangerous fanatic sort.

[Peace Patriot]

53. "Trade secret" vote counting and killing homos in America:

80% of our nation's vote in 2004 was "counted" by two related corporations, using "trade secret," proprietary programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls...

Diebold: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser, who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio" to Bush-Cheney in 2004;

and

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation, which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things.

Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; they are run by two brothers--Tod and Bob Urosevich.

Our eyes pop out, and our heart hurts, reading of this savagery in Iraq. How far are WE from witchburnings, inquisitions, pogroms and lynchings, when we permit our votes to be "counted" behind a veil of secrecy, by private, rightwing Bushite corporations?

You wonder where our country went? You need look no further than Diebold and ES&S, whose invasion of our election system during the 2002-2004 period was engineered by the two biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney, using $4 billion of your taxpayer dollars, to bribe, corrupt and bully election officials around the country, into converting our elections into private, secretive, electronic voting fiefdoms, controlled by Bushite partisans.

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SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2180496
Seven of these counties just promised the judge they would use PAPER BALLOTS, and were dismissed from this lawsuit (4/27/06).
http://kcbs.com/pages/29285.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2249205

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x418263

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA AG subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,110192,00.html
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183630

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x419226

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More resources for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)


(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)
Provisions of the PA lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x423739

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (“We Do Not Consent”)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417231
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x675477

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x422926
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x421136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=422967&mesg_id=422967
(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Michael Collins (Autorank)'s searing election reform article for New Zealand's Scoop.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x971363

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy! Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

HOWARD DEAN remarks on electronic voting machines 04/06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x994507

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence

[KamaAina]

56. And just who, might I ask, trained these Iraqi police?

Right. Those wonderful folks who brought you Abu Ghraib. :sarcasm:

edit: caps

[Norrin Radd]

59. Freedom is on the march...

in jackboots.

[stepnw1f]

62. Replace "Iraqi Police" with Right Winger in your Headline (nt)

[0007]

66. Ah the silence majority has finally arrived in Iraq.

And with the blessings of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.