AFP: Bush says fight against terror is 'World War III'

[Newsjock]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060505/pl_afp/usattacksbushwwiii_060505220719

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush said the September 11 revolt of passengers against their hijackers on board Flight 93 had struck the first blow of "World War III."

In an interview with the financial news network CNBC, Bush said he had yet to see the recently released film of the uprising, a dramatic portrayal of events on the United Airlines plane before it crashed in a Pennsylvania field.

But he said he agreed with the description of David Beamer, whose son Todd died in the crash, who in a Wall Street Journal commentary last month called it "our first successful counter-attack in our homeland in this new global war -- World War III".

Bush said: "I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III.

"It was, it was unbelievably heroic of those folks on the airplane to recognize the danger and save lives," he said.

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Props to 'No New War' for originally finding this story.

[BattyDem]

1. Well, it's not WW III yet ... but give BushCo a little more time ...

and it will be! :scared: :nuke:

[Julius Civitatus]

44. He's desperate to get his approval ratings up again

The whole "war preznit" schtick worked before, so now they are calling this mess they've created "World War III."

One trick pony.

[lumpy]

48. The Bush Wars

better name.

[saigon68]

52. The zoo says "This creature can't come in to visit"

It might start a fight with the snakes in the reptile house

[0007]

84. We have a new breed of snake call "Negroponte". He can slither

in almost invisible and can use his piano wire better than Mozart can conduct a symphony....and then BOOM!! The Zoo Keeper is gone.

[hedgehog]

137. He's not a snake.

The Devil is the Serpent. Negroponte's the anti-Christ. Sheesh, get these things straight!

[Piscis Austrinus]

76. That's just the tip of the reason(s)

1. Scare the American populace, tell them they can't change the government in the middle of a war. This part is "preemptive politics."
2. Ratchet up the rhetoric on the world stage to justify expansion of the current Middle East conflict. By morphing the "war on terror" into "World War Three," the connection between putative future combatants (read: Iran) and the original acts of 9/11 becomes more muddled.
3. Distract the bean-counters. Make the economic situation in the U.S. more opaque so that current economic and social policies can continue and expand behind the curtain of conflict. The screen of war makes the flow of money less visible.
4. Steer the press away from the massive, widespread failures and corruption of this administration and the Congress. They want Americans to look out the window so that they won't see the elephants they're packing into the room.
5. Open the last refuge of scoundrels - patriotism - to any and all that will shelter there, by making those who oppose the administration's bellicose policies liable to be labeled "unpatriotic," "anti-American" or even "treasonous."
6. Use any or all of the above to expand the secretive and oppressive domestic intelligence and police policies of this administration.

I'm sure there's more but this is a fair overview.

Peace
PsA

[Selteri]

99. Just the use of more fear to try to get his ratings up

He's desperate and trying to play on fears without understanding that just like the boy who cried wolf...

[C_U_L8R]

2. As thousands of Freepers

wildly masterbate in adulation of The Decider™

[acmavm]

7. Thanks. Now I have to go soak my brain in Clorox.

[Julius Civitatus]

46. Brainbleach to the rescue

Here, have a wash:

[neuvocat]

97. I think that's where freepers come from.

Just trying to purge their minds as much as possible as they can of anything they find unpleasant.

Ok, I guess I got WAY too serious there.

[shadowknows69]

49. I've been hearing confirmations from soldiers

That it's going to be bigger than you think. I was told tonight that most likely we're going to attack Iran, Syria and another country he didn't want to tel me about but that it also starts with S. I think Bushco is pulling out all the stops and the resource wars are about to commence.

[Ghost Dog]

61. Saudi? n/t

[shadowknows69]

63. They would be part of the big picture plan

if we're actually going for complete resource dominance.

[ClintonTyree]

120. That would ensure the total destruction of the United States.

To spread "the bush doctrine" to include the entire Middle East would be sheer lunacy. There is no way the U.S. could even come close to "winning" a war such as that. It would most assuredly lead to the destruction of Israel as well. I don't think even this current bunch of idiots in Washington would be that foolhardy. Would they? :scared:

[shadowknows69]

122. If I remember my bible prophecy the final war

is basically supposed to be US and Israel against the world. GW is setting that up masterfully.

[Minnesota_Lib]

102. Errr....S=South Korea perhaps

Although, I would take this with a grain of salt (not knowing who this soldier is, what rank he is and how he is privy to this top secret info that he is apparently very loose-lipped about).

[Ghost Dog]

107. Well, if it were the other S,

I would guess it would be a case more along the lines of protecting oil installations, etc., and most likely by invitation, wouldn't you?

(... and surely nothing no 'analyst' looking at possible regional scenarios wouldn't already be taking into account).

[CJCRANE]

124. That'd be a big double-cross...

the Bush family is virtually kissing cousins with the Saudi Royals.

[Piscis Austrinus]

78. Iran, Syria and.......

hmmm....
ya think they'd go into Saudi Arabia? Didn't Hitler have this agreement with Stalin that he later broke? Boy, if that was on the agenda and I knew it, I sure wouldn't want to say anything, either.

I might have thought "Sudan" but I don't see how that could be done - it's landlocked - and at any rate, if Sudan was on the menu we'd have been there years ago. It's not like there's no pretext for going in there.

But knowing what kind of nutball ideas come out of this administration, there's just no telling. St. Croix? Switzerland? Sweden? South Africa? Sri Lanka? (The last two have some pretty hefty mineral resources, ya know.)

Boy, that sounds dangerous. I sure hope it's overblown.


Peace
PsA

[shadowknows69]

80. I should see about 50 more soldiers tonight

just back from the shit. Keeping my ears open.

[CJCRANE]

123. Sudan..?

[hedgehog]

138. Attack with what army? Our guys are already stretched too thin

all over Iraq. My greatest fear is that Bush launches a bombing run over Iran and Iran retaliates with a full scale invasion of Iraq. Saddam barely fought these guys to a standstill with everything he had. WIth our guys scattered all over fighting a guerrilla war, it'll be massacre after massacre as small units get overrun by a blitzkrieg. If you don't think that's possible, check out what happened the first week of the Korean War.

[babylonsister]

3. How fucking dare he? He conspired to create this mess! nt

[niceypoo]

67. What he failed to mention is that......

the US is the new nazi Germany and Lord Pissypants is the new Hitler.

[Democrats_win]

4. 19 guys with box cutters? WW3? Does this mean bush is an extremist?

[marmar]

5. WWIII is humanity vs. the Bush administration...

and the first battle is in November.

[Triana]

6. Yes. and HE started it! Just like we knew he would (n/t)

[Sinti]

8. Whoa, that's disturbing - and we worry he'll end up *starting* WWIII

I guess our cause for worry is over. The Long War, indeed.

[BlueManDude]

53. Seriously wacko statement - W has delusions of grandeur. n/t

[rzemanfl]

9. If he believes that and thinks we can fight World War III with tax

cuts for the rich and a stop loss military of 52 year-old grandmothers from Iowa, he belongs in an asylum, not the White House.

[No New War]

10. Thanks for reposting here

I almost had a heart-attack when I read it. This is scary.

[uppityperson]

11. Nice to see him admitting it. He USED this to start WWIII.

you and the horse you rode in on, Mr.bush and your evil minions. YOU USED this to start WWIII.

[reprobate]

79. Disaggree. He DID this to start WWIII. I'm from a long line of MIHOPers

I welcome disagreements, but looking at all the facts, none of this would have happened if 9/11 hadn't happened. And if you look at all the coincidences that had to come one on top of the other in order for it to have happened, it just don't pass the smell test. IOW is stinks to high heaven.

In fifty or sixty years or sometime between now and then, someone is gonna talk and the real truth will come out. Then George W. Bush will replace Benedict Arnold as America's pre-eminant TRAITOR!

[uppityperson]

85. whether MIHOP or LIHOP, he was pleased as punch to have it happen

if any of us are around in 50-60 yrs, it will be interesting to see what is known then.

[agincourt]

108. Personally, I don't think Benedict Arnold,

was nearly as bad as these jackals. Everyone KNEW Benedict Arnold sold us out. These rats just get away with more and more.

[Public_Hazard]

119. B.A.? nah

I'm thinkin more along the lines of the honest-to-god antichrist.

[Public_Hazard]

115. disagree again.

i've read transcripts and the like, but 9/11 just gave bushco popular suppport. the public was reeling, and needed a strong leader, or one that appeared strong in this case. bushco exploited this to rally the american populace to war. they were going to invade in any case, but the WTC attack gave them an excuse. bush wanted this war, and the poor planning, irrationally vicious politics, and general corruption started in November 2000. 2008 won't come too soon, but unfortunately, it may come too late. And if Bush invades iran on the WMD tack again (fortunately he's just about used that one up), the Middle East will go up in flames, and it will be World War III.

Albert Einstein, after developing the A-bomb, said "I don't know what World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and rocks." Smart guy, that Einstein.

[CJCRANE]

133. You're subscribing

to the "Lucky Accident" theory, i.e. that it was sheer good fortune that the longed-for "New Pearl Harbor" just happened on the neocon's watch, the very thing they predicted would be needed to get the political will to invade Iraq.

And it was also just a lucky coincidence that the funds and operatives came out of Saudi Arabia (and Pakistan) a country which the B*sh family has strong business ties to and is an "ally" in the "war on terror" (which morphed into the war on Iraq).

[CJCRANE]

126. Agreed.

One of the first things * said on 9/11 was "this is the first war of the 21st century" (and that was before the towers had even fallen down). * was just waiting for it to happen so he could get his wars on.

[patriothackd]

127. There will be no WWIII. Not this way.

Things are more organized now, no need for world wars.

[madame defarge]

12. He's just itching to be the "War President", isn't he...

This idiot just can't stand it. He thinks that by proclaiming this mess he has caused as WWIII, he will go down in infamy and replace FDR greatness with GWB greatness. What a flippin' moran. He'll do ANYTHING to try to help his sinking poll numbers... Hopefully, someone will stop him before he destroys the planet....

[Der Blaue Engel]

13. Oh. My. F*cking. God.

I'm convinced. He's going to nuke Iran, and he *wants* Russia and China and Korea to declare war on us.

If anyone wants to say "what good will impeaching him do when the others will still be there?" here's your answer. He has to be stopped. It is UNAMERICAN not to stop him. We will all be culpible for the death and destruction if we do not.

[No New War]

16. No Sh!t

Now more than ever there is real necessity to get this administration out of office AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!

[babylonsister]

17. AMEN, DBE! He's out of his mind! nt

[genieroze]

35. He's a waitin for da rature to stert.

[louis-t]

88. Spell check, dear, spell check.

I think I get your meaning though.

[ArbustoBuster]

90. I think genieroze was insulting *'s speechifying patterns.

In specific, his fractured relationship to the actual rules of pronunciation in American English.

[genieroze]

91. Yer no mi spellin iz ententual dontya? lol I'm doin Boosh speek

vizuallie. Ima tiepin da way hesa talkin.

In reality I always use a spell checker but if I used this on this post it would take forever to check.

[Piscis Austrinus]

87. That is how I feel about it (major Scriptural reference alert)

"Human being, I have made you a watchman for Israel. Any time you hear a word from my mouth, warn them for me. When I say to an evil person, 'You will surely die,' you must warn him. If you don't speak out to warn the evil person to leave his evil way, he will die in his sin. I will hold you responsible for his death.
"You must warn the evil person. Then if he does not turn from his wickedness or his evil ways, he will die because of his sin. But you will have saved yourself."

It goes on from there but the message is pretty clear: "somebody" isn't supposed to put a stop to this. WE should put a stop to this. It's not just about the untold millions of people whose lives hang in the balance; this is also about ourselves. This isn't even just our souls; our very identity as a people who love and crave justice, freedom and peace is hostage to the policy of evil men.

The conservative Christians and evangelicals will say that it is the unrighteous that will be assailed. It is the unbelievers and the sexual sinners and the thieves and the liars and the blasphemers who are condemned and who must be destroyed.

I believe that those who know the message and teaching of Christ - the love of one's neighbor, mercy, lovingkindness, compassion, gentleness, and a desire to know and speak truth - are not those who condemn their neighbors, countenance cruelty, or withhold mercy. ("Then surely I can show concern for the great city Nineveh....there are more than 120,000 people living there, who do not know their right hand from their left!" - Jonah 2:11, paraphrased; consider the context.)

The evangelicals and conservative Christians (feel free to substitute "scribes and Pharisees" here) will tell you that the Second Coming is imminent and that they are preparing the way for Jesus' return. That may in fact be; even Jesus himself, according to Scripture, does't know when that's supposed to happen. However, Jesus has NOT returned yet, and I see nothing in Scripture that says to do anything other than to follow the example that was set by Jesus for humankind - to speak truth to power, to face persecution with grace, to heal the sick, to comfort the oppressed, to provide for the poor, and to face condemnation for righteousness without fear.

If Jesus DOES return in my lifetime, which I am dubious of at this point, I believe we would see a lot of very surprised people realizing they've been on the wrong side. I rather suspect that quite a few would be unable to accept that.

I realize that many of you don't share in or agree with the Christian faith, and that's ok with me; the only true faith anyone can have is determined in their own hearts and I don't contest that with anyone - ever. If I am to be free to believe as my heart and mind dictate, then you absolutely must be, too, lest I demand for myself what I withhold from another. The great meaning of Christianity - the entire "why" - is summed up in the simple idea that humankind - all humankind - is more loved by its Creator than it can ever requite, so much so that nothing was withheld from us. In giving up His son, God did not withhold his own family; per Trinitarian theory, Jesus is God - therefore God did not even withhold Himself.

My issue, and the nature of this post (to bring this back to earth), is twofold: any Christian who cannot see or accept the corruption of this administration absolutely needs a very stern admonishment, because they're either willingly blind or deliberately unconcerned. And any non-Christian needs to know the gist of this, as armament against those who would teach and preach falsehood in the name of truth, war in the name of peace, cruelty in the name of compassion, injustice in the name of justice, oppression in the name of freedom, or hate in the name of love.

It is not only unAmerican not to stop such brutality; it is inhuman not to.

Peace
PsA



Ezekiel 3:17-19

[shadowknows69]

95. Excellent interpertation IMO

n/t

[Iowa]

101. Interesting. Especially this part...

"If Jesus DOES return in my lifetime... I believe we would see a lot of very surprised people realizing they've been on the wrong side."

As a child I was taught that evil usually wears the mantle of good, that a great many would be confused during the end times, and that we should rely upon actions, not words, when it comes to choosing sides. Yes, I suspect a great many would be very surprised.

[PinkyisBlue]

106. However, in this case, evil is wearing the mantle of evil.

Unprovoked war, lying, killing, cheating, greed, more war, destruction, killing, cheating, more lying, stealing, etc. But throw in a few key phrases from the Bible and tell the folks you're good Christians. Why can't more people see them for what they are?

[Iowa]

110. Yes, they claim to be Christians but their acts say otherwise...

They are so easy to see through, aren't they? Those who don't see them for what they are have no excuse.

[patriothackd]

128. Hitler claimed to be a Christian too. n/t

.

[Brundle_Fly]

111. this was written in 1989

By The The, Mind Bomb

They're 5 miles high as the crow flies
leavin' vapour trails against a blood red sky
Movin' in from the East toward the West
with Balaclava helmets over their heads, yes!
But if you think that Jesus Christ is coming
Honey you've got another thing coming
If he ever finds out who's hi-jacked his name
He'll cut out his heart and turn in his grave
Islam is rising
The Christians mobilising
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
It's war, she cried, It's war, she cried, this is war
Drop your possessions, all you simple folk
You will fight them on the beaches in your underclothes
You will thank the good lord for raising the union jack
You'll watch the ships out of harbour
and the bodies come floating back
If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today
He'd be gunned down by the C.I.A.
Oh, the lights that now burn brightest behind stained glass
Will cast the darkest shadows upon the human heart
But God didn't build himself that throne
God doesn't live in Israel or Rome
God belong to the yankee dollar
God doesn't plant the bombs for Hezbollah
God doesn't even go to church
And God won't send us down to Allah to burn
No, God will remind us what we already know
That the human race is about to reap what it's sown
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
Armageddon days are here again


it's like he knew.

[Iowa]

135. Yep...

I like this line: If he ever finds out who's hi-jacked his name...

So much evil has been done in the name of God - and much good too. It really isn't difficult to identify the real deal.

[The Gunslinger]

14. He's lost it

Trying to use flight 93 just as a fictional movie comes out about it to get the sheep pumped for WWIII. WOW!! This administration has no ethics.

Catapulting the propaganda

[Public_Hazard]

116. yup

apparently, bush, rummy, and all the others missed the day of bible camp that taught ethics.

[Zorra]

15. Bu*h is deluded, and wants to be a hero in the worst way.

Unfortunately, he is just another corrupt republican asshole with delusions of grandeur.

[Amonester]

18. Nobody mentioned the real people (not the actors) would have...

...had a better chance to be alive and well today, if the *Decidetator only dare reading the 2001/08/06 PDB (as his JOB required...) AND started DOIN' SOMETHIN' ABOUT IT (again, as his *Hard-Workin' JOB REQUIRED*...), instead of *clearin' bu$h* and POSin' swings??

Not ONE idiot interviewer even DARES askin' the Chimperor: "Do you think you could have save these peoples' lives, Mr. pResident? Maybe if you had done something after reading THAT PDP?"

(They ALL cower 'cause they know they'd get FIRED.) :shrug: :grr: :puke:


Edit: too angry to type correctly. Sorry.

[DemoTex]

19. UAL 93? E-Z!

Flight of four, fluid spread. Lead fired the missile. Formation break right, RTB.

[frylock]

47. yeah, but who wants to go to the theatre to see that?

[teknomanzer]

96. That has got to be the best signature I have seen...

I guess even Shakespeare knew a thing or two about powermad politicians.

[Bill McBlueState]

20. back in the 80s

Back in the 80's, some of us were scared to death of World War III, while others of us wanted to be the ones planning and executing it. It's pretty clear what *'s fantasy has been all along.

[bluerum]

21. This guy is delusional. He thinks he is saving the world.

[Kailassa]

22. No he doesn't believe he's saving the world.

He believes he's forcing armageddon, and twisting Jesus' arm to make Him take all the warmongering idiots to mansions in heaven.

Someone probably told him there'd be 74 virgin boys waiting for him.

He was once asked how people will judge him in the future, and he answered: "We'll all be dead."

He was announcing his dream, but people didn't get it. The neocons thought it was funny to have an idiot figurehead, so that all their machinations could be blamed on to the stupidity of poor little Dubya, but they didn't realize what a dangerous man he is.

So while people have been blinded by the Repuke framing of the debate: "is he good or is he stupid," the evil bastards are getting away with murder.

And while they are working for endless oligarchy, splitting up the Earth between buddies, they haven't noticed the idiot retard's finger edging closer and closer to the doom button.

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. That's some scary shit. n/t

[bluerum]

62. In any case - he is clearly delusional and dangerous to the free world.

[Public_Hazard]

117. well....

he does believe he's saving the world, and he believes he's superman incarnate or some stupid crap. i think they knew how dangerous he was, because this little war machine of his didn't happen overnight. this was on the drawing board for a while. this is all means to an end for them, that end being them getting rich as f*cking hell before being vaporized. oh sorry, richER.

[cassiepriam]

37. Yes I agree, he fancies himself FDR and Churchill.

Instead he is Hitler. God help us.

[Born Free]

50. DELUSIONAL Bush says fight against terror is 'World War III"

The man should be fitted for a rubber room

[Occulus]

24. Look at this wording:

"I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III."

Ponder that bolded pair of words for a moment.

What does the use of the term 'counter-attack' imply?

It implies the president believes they were mounting a counter-attack on 9-11.

The president is implying that we fired the first shot.

[Der Blaue Engel]

36. Actually, being Bush, he just miserably buried the lead

If you read it carefully, he's saying that the passengers of Flight 93 launched a counter-attack after the attack on the towers and the Pentagon. Which is patently absurd.

Not that it makes any difference, because like most sociopaths, all he does is spew lies and gobbledygook anyway.

[Renew Deal]

132. Hijacking the planes and crashing them were the attack

The passangers that fought back on Flight 93 was the counter-attack.

[Mountainman]

25. Bush is one sick fuck! n/t

[ReadTomPaine]

26. He can't even keep his propaganda straight. It World War IV, remember?

"Former CIA Director James Woolsey said Wednesday the United States is engaged in World War IV, and that it could continue for years." April, 2003.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/04/03/sprj.irq.woolsey.world.war/

[54anickel]

54. Woolsey's still saying it - just gave another speech Feb 2006

http://www.aina.org/news/20060502101553.htm

snip>

I was not the originator of the phrase "World War IV." As far as I know, that was my friend Elliot Cohen in Wall Street Journal op-ed immediately after 9/11. I have mixed feelings about it. Sometimes I use that phrase and sometimes "the long war," which a lot of people are now starting to use.

The main point is that we should regard this war we're in as a long one. If you call it the World War IV, the analogy in a sense is to the Cold War, which I call World War III.

But the main idea is that this is a long contest of decades, not years, and it's one that's going to require us to do some very innovative and different things, just as the Cold War required us to do some things very differently than we had done in either World War I or World War II.

Just to give you a quick idea of how different things are, let me list seven more or less pieces of conventional wisdom about the Cold War, at least from today's perspective, and how different it was from this long war we're in now.

more...

[Thor_MN]

68. So shrub is dissing Saint Ronnie by calling the "war" on terra WWIII?

I can't believe that KKKarl and Doubledip would knowingly dismiss Ronnie Raygun's "ending" the Cold War. They must really be off their game, dismissing and denying everything comes their way.

[LiviaOlivia]

27. Bush calls terror fight WWIII

Bush calls terror fight WWIII
From: Agence France-Presse
From correspondents in Washington
May 06, 2006
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19043507-38198,00.html


US President George W. Bush has said the September 11 revolt of passengers against their hijackers on board Flight 93 had struck the first blow of "World War III".

In an interview with the financial news network CNBC, Mr Bush said he had yet to see the recently released film of the uprising, a dramatic portrayal of events on the United Airlines plane before it crashed in a Pennsylvania field.

But he said he agreed with the description of David Beamer, whose son Todd died in the crash, who in a Wall Street Journal commentary last month called it "our first successful counter-attack in our homeland in this new global war, World War III".

Mr Bush said: "I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III. "It was, it was unbelievably heroic of those folks on the airplane to recognize the danger and save lives," he said.

~snip~

from the Lary "was cocaine now Opus Dei" Kudlow interview

[DFLer4edu]

28. Well, the way he is going about it, we're going to have WWIII

but the fact that he views it that way is striking. Try and find a piece of footage or a transcript from CNBC.

[bluedeminredstate]

29. Goose bumps all over...

Speechless.
:scared:

[Poll_Blind]

31. Same here. I'm going to have a little sit down and think about this. n/t

PB

[Boojatta]

30. Military contractors who supply sticks and stones might be salivating now.

If this is World War Three, then World War Four is next.

[Stinky The Clown]

32. Now **that** is some sick shit

and with Hayden named as CIA chief, it is NOT a good Friday newz dump.

[Haole Girl]

33. I guess it's official then.

After all, Bush is the decider. :sarcasm:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

34. Well that's fucking scary.

I think I'll go back to the lounge with the kudzu and drinking threads.

[Pierre Trudeau]

38. Bush calls terror fight WWIII

From correspondents in Washington
May 06, 2006


US President George W. Bush has said the September 11 revolt of passengers against their hijackers on board Flight 93 had struck the first blow of "World War III".In an interview with the financial news network CNBC, Mr Bush said he had yet to see the recently released film of the uprising, a dramatic portrayal of events on the United Airlines plane before it crashed in a Pennsylvania field.

But he said he agreed with the description of David Beamer, whose son Todd died in the crash, who in a Wall Street Journal commentary last month called it "our first successful counter-attack in our homeland in this new global war, World War III".

Mr Bush said: "I believe that. I believe that it was the first counter-attack to World War III.

....

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19043507-38198,00.html


eek!

[Julius Civitatus]

39. The Chimp is really jonesing for Armageddon

Can't wait to use those nukes.

Either that, or he is absolutely delusional with a narcissistic behavior, and an inferiority complex.

Take your pick.

[Harper_is_Bush]

40. Appears twice on 1st page of LBN already!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2266649&mesg_id=2266649
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2266842

[Pierre Trudeau]

41. d'oh?!

rats, how can I delete my thread now?

[Harper_is_Bush]

43. You could edit and change title to "self delete" or just wait..

the mods will lock it.

Don't sweat it!

[Kutjara]

42. I don't know whether to be appalled:

that Bush is so hot for the Apocalypse or impressed that he can count to three.

[cassiepriam]

45. He is using 9/11 and the war to fill up the hole in his soul.

Everything he does is about that. But nothing is ever enough and he keeps upping the ante.

Just like he did with drugs and alcohol. Anything to not feel the pain that permeates his core.

And it matters not a wit to him how many people he destroys in the process.
It is only about him.

Rove and Cheney picked the perfect man to front their ruthless cabal.

[shadowknows69]

51. This is just too scary to even digest right now

n/t

[54anickel]

56. Even scarier that it's barely been picked up by the press. Here, after

weeks of Sunday chat shows non-chalantly discussing nuking Iran, the Nutjob starts talking real life WWIII in a discussion about a freakin movie.
He does not live in reality, he's delusional, yet the press gives him yet another pass.

[shadowknows69]

65. The press are hoping that they get invited

to the "Noah's Bunkers" when the shit starts to hit the fan. The new world of the morlocks will need eager propaganda slingers to keep the mutating populace docile.

[gatlingforme]

55. "WORLD war" entails more than one country... Bush rhetoric shit again.

[screembloodymurder]

57. This administration is insane.

Our President equates a single terrorist act with WWIII, because his administration came in with a plan. A plan they appear intent on carrying out with or without the consent of Congress or the people... A plan they will execute despite the consequences, despite the odds, despite the opposition... A plan to secure America's future at any cost...PNAC. We are at the mercy of fanatics. Our institutions have failed us. We have become a nation of consumers content to yield power to the highest bidder. We are at the mercy of these ideologs, because we lost the will to govern ourselves. We must stand up and take back our government. We cannot wait for the Democratic process. There will be no next election. Those in power know their time is short and they will act now to secure power and carry out their plan. We cannot let them succeed. Demonstrate.

[patriothackd]

129. This administration is not insane.

This administration is carrying out step 63a(1) of a plan that has many components. It is telling that there is little evidence nowdays that any of them are worried about consequences for anything they do. That says a lot.

Think about it.

[symbolman]

58. Einstein said that he had no idea what weapons

would be used in World War 3, but that the weapons of choice in World War 4 would be sticks and rocks...

[Boojatta]

59. message deleted by Boojatta e.o.m.

[Zynx]

60. That really minimizes the suffering of WWI and WWII.

September 11th was a criminal act, not an act of war. Calling it war makes the actions of the terrorists seem more legitimate. They are thugs, scum, bums. They are not warriors.

[rasputin1952]

64. What a ludicrous thing to say...it has long been understood that

"WWIII" is a "coded message" for Armageddon in the Fundamentalist Circles.

Much to my chagrin, this is precisely what Fundies want...for them, it signals the return of Jesus, and the end of the world.

bush has just elevated what was a threat, to a future excuse for full blown world-wide catastrophe. Terrorism must be addressed and dealt with, but not at the expense of starting a world-wide conflagration.

[CatholicEdHead]

66. Wasn't the old talking point the "Cold War is WWIII" and St Reagan won it?

My how the worm turns.

[sweetheart]

70. a power grab in the class struggle indeed

The mythical next conflict flagellates us all to contrition.

[twaddler01]

69. Here we go again...

things just keep getting better :mad:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

71. He and his NeoCon buddies would love nothing better....

...plus, in their Fundie way of thinking, it puts them one step closer to the Armageddon they're seeking.

What I don't like is that Herr Busch and his buddies are starting to look increasingly more desperate to fulfill their "end-time" role. That should be a worry to everyone on the planet.

[glitch]

72. jackass. nt

[young_at_heart]

73. I'll bet he got a message from God to say this

How many people have written about his close connection to the Almighty. God probably wants a big war and he chose Bush to be the free world's leader for this purpose!

[bvar22]

74. Albert Einstein:

"I don't know what weapons World War Three will be fought with, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones."
-- Albert Einstein

[Public_Hazard]

118. wow!

stole the words right out of my mouth. literally. nice to see people thinking along the same lines as me. it gets so lonely down here in the Bible Belt of reaganauts.

[President Kerry]

75. Will we see you on the front lines, Mr. Bush?

or cowering in a bunker? Thought so.

[ckramer]

77. Good Morning Iraq!

http://jitcrunch.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?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

[Gregorian]

81. If we wait for impeachment, it'll be too late.

Isn't there a way to preemptively get rid of this administration? I guess the constitution didn't want that, for a good reason. However, this is not your typical administration. Civility is so difficult when you are dealing with a gang of evil thugs. Damnit.

[shadowknows69]

82. There should be a way to have a national vote of no confidence

we need an amendment. Have it it put to a vote in state legislatures and if it passes in a majority of the union or even 2 thirds the administration (Pres, VP and secs of state and defense) is outed and special elections held.

[Gregorian]

83. The bigger the war, the more power this mal-administration stands to gain.

And the more their corporations stand to gain.

The bigger the war, the less we the people stand to have a say. The bigger the war, the less democracy and freedom we have to speak. The bigger the war, the bigger these criminals become. It's that simple. Lie, cheat, steal, kill, to get where they want. And where they want is complete dominion over everything.

And I thought his father was bad...

I honestly think this is one of those times when we can't wait for impeachment. Remember Thomas Jefferson's words. No, it's in the Constitution. It's written into the Constitution that we are to do the unspeakable. That thing which will not be televised. That, I am afraid, is where we are now.

Will a nation of powerful, comfortable people be willing to jump away from their tv's to do what is required in order to preserve this democracy?

[reprobate]

86. OK, I'll say it again. WAR ON TERROR? THERE'S NO SUCH THING!

Terrorism is neither a sovereign state nor an organized military force. Terrorism is two things: first it is the use of violence to further political gains, and second it is a propaganda move to keep us afraid of anything but the one thing we SHOULD fear - GEORGE W. BUSH.

Claiming to be fighting a "War on Terror" is the same as claiming to be fighting a "War on Airborne Assaults". It has no meaning. Plus it frames the discussion falsely.

You cannot fight terror with military forces. The use of terrorism can only be fought thru the use of the accumulated intelligence of all this nations involved and using that intelligence to point their police forces in the direction of the small cells of fanatics that perpetrate these acts on innocents.

Post a large, anonymous reward for information leading to discovery of terror cells, making it profitable for people to watch for this. Then use your intelligence to track the people involved and make absolutely sure you know who the members of the cell are, what they intend to do and who their money suppliers are. Then use your police forces to arrest them. And if the first few cells result in the violent ends of those involved, well that would certainly be a deterrent to others, wouldn't it?

It would certainly be better than bombing innocent civilian populations in an insane War on Anyone Whose Resources We Want to Take.

[pat_k]

89. I know of one passenger that would be appalled. . .

. . .to hear Bush invoke his actions as the opening salvo in a criminal war of aggression.

From: Bill & Alfred

Subject: US State of Emergency Communication #2

We have some very sad news to report with this message. One of our best engineers and long-standing employees, Ed Felt, has tragically died in the crash of United Airlines Flight #93. Ed was a senior architect based in Liberty Corner, New Jersey, and was one of the original Tuxedo team members. Ed was the epitome of a stellar BEA employee -- a man of deep integrity, always smiling, very personable, and he had a terrific sense of humor. We will communicate details about the arrangements and memorials to everyone once we've had a chance to consult with his family. Although words cannot express the loss that we feel at this time, we extend our sorrow, support and condolences to his entire family.

In September of 2001, I was working at BEA in Liberty Corner -- the same office as Ed Felt.

He was one of the inventors/developers of "Tuxedo" -- a pretty amazing group from Bell Labs, Unix Systems Laboratories, and Novell that made of the core team when BEA was founded.

I never worked on a project with him, but knew him by sight and exchanged the occasional nod or greeting in passing.

In the weeks that followed the news of his death on September 11th, I heard a lot about Ed as people in our office shared their stories and their grief.

The same themes came up over and over again. Idealistic, gentle, generous, supportive, integrity, terrific sense of humor. Privileged to know him / work with him. "You never saw Ed get angry or lose his temper."

When others had questions, he took the time and gave his full attention as he enthusiastically shared his wealth of knowledge and experience.

Engineers building on his work said they rarely walked out of his office without some new insight or deeper understanding that made their own work more rewarding.

He sought and valued the unique knowledge and perspective that others had to offer.

One of his colleagues described the amazing job interview he had with Ed. He felt like he was "blowing it" when a gap in his understanding became evident. To his surprise, Ed shifted into teaching mode and the interview transformed in an inspiring seminar/exchange of ideas.

He is a man who is sorely missed, but there is some comfort in knowing that he was truly "present" and lived his short life to the fullest. His life inspires the people who knew him personally, and those (like me) who got to know him a little through others, to reflect on their own lives take the time to give more of ourselves to the people around them.

Felt reaches 911 just before crash

[Amonester]

92. Thank$, "Hollywood"...

Yup. You guy$ really know how to get $OME criminal mind$ (like that $ociopath **) all excited and $alivating at the idea of $pilling million$ (or billion$) of other people'$ blood in orther for them to (try--and fail) to get richer...

Really, Thank$ Corpo-"Hollywood." :grr:

(And good luck tryin' to breathe in the upcoming "nukular" winter.) :nuke:

[Amonester]

93. If I were them... I'd be rushin' to make one big Blockbuster (sp?)...

... about that upcomin' "nukular" winter... (to "counterbalance")

Yep: billions of radioactive affected cannibal zombies eating each other's infected corpses just tryin' to make it 'til the next day in the freezin' cold... Yup. They should show these wingnut$ how "funny" their pathetic "live$" will be, 'cause they're too stoopid to imagine any of their warmongering-profiteerin' action$' truly frightening consequences.

:yoiks:

[Grateful for Hope]

94. Terra terra terra ad nauseum

Wake up, Bush, it isn't working anymore.

[sutz12]

98. Like Bush knows anything about history. nt

[lakercub]

100. Had a little fun

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1117654#1121100

[Minnesota_Lib]

103. Bush: "We have everything to fear especially fear itself."

[xiamiam]

104. Arrest him...forget about impeachment...war crimes, the Hague, no less..nt

[progressivebydesign]

105. Sorry. A little noticed law makes putting him in the Hague impossible.

A few years ago, under Bush's watch, a law was passed by the Republican House that authorized the use of military force against the Hague if ANY American troop OR ELECTED OR APPOINTED OFFICIAL is held there for war crimes. This is real. Here's the info on the "Defense Authorization Act", courtesy of Jesse Helms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague_Invasion_Act

[Bush_MUST_Go]

109. So crimminals make new laws & the world has to acknowledge them?

[noel adamson]

112. FDR vs Bush family feud..."WWIII" is just WWII renamed by the neocons

The Bush family has been at war with everything FDR did and stood for for generations now. World War II never ended for them. They were at the forefront of opposing FDR on behalf of fascism, including it's genocidal "eugenics" component, by, among other diabolical things, putting Hitler in power, arming him to the teeth and starting World War II. They have likely never forgotten nor forgiven FDR for seizing Prescott Bush's business(s) under the Trading With The Enemy Act almost a year after the U.S. entered WWII.


vesting order 248 (the annotation in colored text and the image of Henry Ford receiving a medal from Hitler's envoys in 1938 have been added to the original, which appeared in the Federal Register a month shy of a year after Pearl Harbor, by me and is all well documented)








Their envy of FDR's fame and power have consistently manifested themselves since the "end" of WWII in such efforts ranging from

1. replacing his image on the dime with Reagan's

2. ending or attempting to end virtually all social programs, most notably Social Security which is not even a tax supported program

3. and, please stay with me for just a second here, winning WWII which they never really stopped fighting via clandestine means such as loading the CIA with (not so) ex-Nazis when that agency was created in the wake of WWII and abusing it's reasonable need for secrecy to depose democratically elected leaders of countries all over the planet and replace them with fascist dictators of the most brutal nature, running brutal terror squads all over the planet, many in the last two decades or so under the direction of John Negroponte our current "intelligence" leader.

These three are just a general example of the most blatant and easily proven.

Sorry for the half meg image...couldn't see how to just make a link to it as it is embedded in a web page...

[patriothackd]

130. Bingo.

WWII revisited. Or "WWII II"? More accurate.

[noel adamson]

134. Naming like software versions maybe

WW 2.3.02

[Azathoth]

113. People no longer buy his attempts at portraying himself as heroic

Laughable hyperbole like this just reinforces the public's perception of him as a stubborn halfwit with a messianic complex and absolutely no understanding of history.

[abester]

114. nuts

[Vinca]

121. I knew it, I knew it. He's milking the movie's success.

It's not WWIII, it's GWI (George's War I).

[MrScorpio]

125. Bush and his Bottomless Crock Of Shit

It's like MAGIC!

[patriothackd]

131. Well if you're gonna lie, be brazen, right?

Paul Krugman once wrote about typical American Pollyannas. Most Americans just can't wrap their heads around the fact that there are people holding high public office who would lie about important shit like wars and self inflicted attacks and plundering the public financial base and owning contracts to militarize control over the world. Not here. Gee, that's not what we learned in school.

Naahhhh. Couldn't be. Lie to us? Lie to us? Lie to us?

[Renew Deal]

136. Bush must be sniffing glue.

The scary thing is that he wants to start World War 3. This isn't "history deciding." He's insane.