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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:39 AM
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U.S. Newborn Survival Rate Ranks Low
U.S. Newborn Survival Rate Ranks Low

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 9, 2006
Filed at 3:56 a.m. ET

CHICAGO (AP) -- America may be the world's superpower, but its survival rate for newborn babies ranks near the bottom among modern nations, better only than Latvia.

Among 33 industrialized nations, the United States is tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000 babies, according to a new report. Latvia's rate is 6 per 1,000.

''We are the wealthiest country in the world, but there are still pockets of our population who are not getting the health care they need,'' said Mary Beth Powers, a reproductive health adviser for the U.S.-based Save the Children, which compiled the rankings based on health data from countries and agencies worldwide.

The U.S. ranking is driven partly by racial and income health care disparities. Among U.S. blacks, there are 9 deaths per 1,000 live births, closer to rates in developing nations than to those in the industrialized world.
(snip/...)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Infant-Mortality.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:03 AM
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1. Shameless Demons from Hell have brought us to this...
...and done it in the name of God. Bush, Cheney and the rest with their duped religious zealot followers. It will be no consolation that they will roast in some hell or even that they are insatiable now in their lack of compassion and inability to experience love and happiness. They will never know peace. The best punishment would be that they grow a conscience and have to live with it.
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Chrisduhfur Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:42 PM
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54. uhh interesting take on it...
I think.
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noel adamson Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:48 PM
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64. I could have just said...
...miserable MFs
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 04:59 AM
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2. Why would we expect our infants to do any better than the rest of us?
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:57 AM
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3. Shouldn't they do as well as the rest of the world? nt
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:03 AM
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4. Of course, but our health care system is broken for all but the rich.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:19 AM
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6. And many of those rich people got righ from running insurance
companies that make obscene profits. The amount we spend on healthcare could do some good if one third of the money were not siphoned off into the insurance company coffers. Universal health care is the only solution. Privitization has us deep in a health care crisis: lousy care at exorbitant rates!
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:09 AM
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5. blame this on the lack of universal healthcare
with so many people in this nation uninsured, think of the poor women that go without medical care. They spend an entire pregnancy not knowing the health and welfare of their child and they are not taken care of as well.

Additionally the statistic could also be high because of the number of immigrants that come who also have not had adequate prenatal care from Mexico.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:25 AM
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7. African babies 'dying at birth'
9 May 2006

Some two million babies born every year in the developing world die on the first day of their lives, the Save the Children charity has said.

A report by the charity says most die from preventable causes, such as infections, a difficult birth or low birth weight.

It says many of the lives could be saved by simple, cheap techniques.

The charity also found it is safest to be a mother in Scandinavian countries - and most dangerous in African ones.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4752913.stm


So where are all the right to lifers in regards to Africa? I guess their too busy cutting the funding to organizations that might dare to mention the word abortion, to bother with preventing the deaths of 2 million newborns per year.


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Kutjara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:25 AM
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8. We're not a hell of a lot better here at home.
Edited on Tue May-09-06 04:53 AM by Kutjara
Someone posted figures on DU earlier today of infant mortality in the US and we came out about the same as Latvia (5 in 1,000). For African-Americans the figure is 9 in 1,000 (similar to some third world countries). Take these figures, the ones you mention in your post and the children that die worldwide from preventable poverty-related causes every day (over 30,000), and it's clear that 'pro-life' campaigners couldn't give a shit about life. They are pro-control.

Or maybe its only white, American life that is sacred.

edit: sundry typos
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:25 AM
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10. That's the answer right there.........
it's only white American life that is sacred to them, little black babies don't count. The American "pro-lifers" silence on subjects like this is deafening. :grr:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:25 AM
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9. Good Thing the US Doesn't Fund International Birth Control!
Thank god that those women went through pregnancy, childbirth and then the death of their newborns rather than have access to birth control! I'm not sure if the article mentions the high rate of infection and other complications (including death) for the women undergoing those births, but it's ghastly as well. Teach those sluts to live in a poor country!
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:25 AM
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11. Antibiotics, proper diet and people trained for child birth....
seems like a relatively simple way to prevent much of the problems in Africa. If only our money could go to that cause, instead of killing and destruction. Of course the pro-lifers support the war so not a peep from them.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:48 AM
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25. Sounds like access to those things...
Is what is needed here, too. Too many folks cannot afford that access. I know I cannot, but then, I won't be having babies anytime soon.

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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 06:57 AM
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12. Hey...once those little s*&ts are outta that womb they get Original Sin!
They become just another sinful human full of sin and sin and more sin. Fornication. You know. EVIL!! Only in the womb does it matter. There the baby is precious and special. Outside it becomes an evil welfare vacuum. :sarcasm:
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 07:54 AM
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13. Is there another explanation other that
lack of good healthcare for many Americans? I am blown away by these statistics.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:46 AM
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24. yes there is another explanation
the overall impoverishment of large parts of our population contributes to this.

I mean impoverishment in addition to poor health care.

Worse food, more stress, less stable families, longer working hours, less support from a extended family for new mothers - these all contribute too
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:55 AM
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27. We also rank high for number of cesarean sections? Any relation? nt
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:39 PM
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61. One thing almost all the better ranking countries have in common is a
Edited on Tue May-09-06 10:42 PM by LeftyMom
system that emphasizes midwifery, often combined with homebirth, over obstetric hospital birth and then higher breastfeeding rates. It's safer for low risk mother/child pairs to birth at home rather than in the hospital, due to lower section rates, lesser infections and higher breastfeeding rates.

In the US obstetricians practice with thier malpractice insurer's requirements in the forefront of thier mind and as a result, too many labors are induced, overmanaged and then terminated in c-section, which puts babies and mothers at risk.

Edit: This is also socioeconomic- poorer mothers are more likely to be induced and/or sectioned and are less likely to breastfeed. Often doctors and other medical staff are dismissive or hostile toward young women or women of color who choose natural birth compared to thier treatment of socially approved mothers (ie white married professional women in thier thirties.)
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:17 AM
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14. "...economically diverse..." In other words, we have lots of very
rich folks and lots of very poor folks. And the gap is widening further.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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15. "pockets of our population"
It's a lot more than just "pockets". Basically, complete healthcare is out of the reach of all but the ultra-wealthy. Far past time for the govt. to stop stealing our tax dollars & throwing them at the military, & establish universal healthcare like the civilized countries have.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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16. U.S. Newborn Survival Rate Ranks Low
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060509/ap_on_he_me/infant_mortality

CHICAGO - America may be the world's superpower, but its survival rate for newborn babies ranks near the bottom among modern nations, better only than Latvia.

Among 33 industrialized nations, the United States is tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000 babies, according to a new report. Latvia's rate is 6 per 1,000.

:eyes:

So much for being "Pro-Life" huh?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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17. Another day, another horrifying, embarrassing statistic..... n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:09 AM
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65. and the infant mortality rate's been rising-
after falling throughout the 20th Century.

That's pretty well the bellwether measurement of a nation's health, so I guess that's not surprising.

One of the benefits of the "contract on America."



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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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18. I do have to wonder, though -- when is it a late miscarriage, vs. when
is it a preemie death? How does that affect statistics?

Doctors in the U.S. try to save babies at increasingly younger gestational ages -- are babies born at 22 weeks, who die minutes later, in other countries (perhaps where NICUs aren't as common and there is no chance of survival) considered premature babies, or late-term miscarriages?
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:41 AM
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34. A link to a copy of the report
Edited on Tue May-09-06 10:42 AM by Cerridwen
It looks as though the researchers actually took into account such things as medical intervention availability, the health of the mother, the education of the mother, pre-natal care quality and availability, clean drinking water, cases of maternal anemia, women's participation on their nation's government, access to pre-natal, natal and post-natal education and care and quality of care and education, and so forth and so on.

They even went so far as to group countries based on their "development" status and evaluate the statistics based on the country's standing, i.e. a more developed nation should have few infant/maternal deaths whereas a less developed nation should have higher rates.

http://www.savethechildren.org/publications/SOWM_2006_final.pdf



edit: spelling
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:51 AM
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36. We are also creating a lot more premies with IVF
Multiples carry an inherent risk of premature birth and/or low birth weight, both of which raise the risk of infant death.

Eyesroll's comment about gestational age is also a factor -- I recently had to go dig up stats on infant mortality at different gestational ages, and those who compile the stats acknowledge the problem.

Not that we don't need better health care, but infant mortality stats have way too much noise in them to use them as a good indicator.
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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19. this is a bogus stat
eyesroll points out why


not comparing apples with apples
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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21. Good point. I looked back at his post.
Edited on Tue May-09-06 08:38 AM by raccoon
Wonder how many stats we hear every day are bogus stats?

Probably at least 50%.

And THAT'S a bogus stat; I just made it up. :silly:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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22. You need to read the article.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:56 AM
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28. No. Her post is just (plausible, I admit) speculation.
She didn't try to pass her musings as fact. YOU did.
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:22 AM
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29. i did read the article
i have seen articles like this before.


let me digress a little. i am pro national health care. one of my arguments used to be that we had higher infant mortality rates than in europe, but the more i looked into this, i couldnt convince myself that it was true (because the stats are compiled differently; even within the US in time it seems because of tech increases)
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:43 AM
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35. Now read the report
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:07 AM
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38. i read the report
Edited on Tue May-09-06 11:12 AM by frankenforpres
i could not find the methodology.

edit: from wiki:

Comparing statistics for IMR across countries can be a useful indicator of their level of health and development, but the method for calculating IMR often varies widely between countries based on the way they define a live birth. The World Health Organization defines a live birth as any born human being who demonstrates independent signs of life, including breathing, muscle movement, or heartbeat. Many countries, however, including certain European states and Japan, only count as live births cases where an infant breathes at birth, which makes their reported IMR numbers somewhat lower and raises their rates of perinatal mortality.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:10 AM
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39. Start on page 35 n/t
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:25 AM
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41. we are not communicating
i went back and looked at that. it does not address my primary concern. what does japan (for example) consider a live birth? i could have just missed
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:40 AM
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20. Well, at least these women didn't have abortions.
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:44 AM
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23. and what was it in 1970?
I bet our ranking has been dropping since 1980 or so, just like our ranking in terms of overall life span.

30 years of faith-based social darwinism under reagan/bush/bush has taken us to 3rd world status
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:15 AM
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30. In 1940 the infant mortality rate was 47 per 1000 births
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:13 AM
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40. That's the raw number
I was looking for relative ranking with respect to other nations, and how that may have shifted over time.
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 12:28 PM
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42. Try this
Health Infant mortality
– OECD avg. declined from 36.3 deaths/1000 live births in
1960 to 6.5 deaths/1000 live births in 2000
– US avg. declined from 26.0 deaths/1000 live births in 1960
to 6.9 deaths/1000 live births in 2000


http://www.oecdwash.org/PDFILES/health2003_wash.pdf

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:35 PM
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60. So the U.S. went from being better than the OECD average
Edited on Tue May-09-06 10:35 PM by daleo
To worse than the OECD average. And that's with spending 13.1% of GNP on health care, instead of the OECD average of 8.3%.

It is hard to argue in favor of stats like that, but someone will.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 08:51 AM
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26. The Nation has let the People down.
Edited on Tue May-09-06 08:51 AM by tabasco
It almost seems like the Confederacy won the Civil War. We have a ruling class lording over us, receiving all the benefits the country has to offer. The rest of us have no health insurance, increasing infant mortality, and a crumbling infrastructure.

Welcome to the USA 2006.

Thanks republican voters.

You are fools.




edit typo
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:29 AM
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31. As a UK DUer i still sometimes find it hard to believe that
the US has not got healthcare free at the point of need. This is the defining value behind our NHS and i'm sure in most European countries. No matter how its paid for it must exist. Its been around for so long in this country people just take it as a fact of life.

Your ill, pregnant, need an operation, go to any doctor in any hospital (GP) anywhere in the country, no questions, no worries.

We certainly take it for granted.

Is there any concerted campaign or policy to get a National health service over there, democrats or pressure groups? or is it viewed with suspicion?

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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:35 AM
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32. Americans won't place another 1/8 of their economy under gov't control
Its smacks to much of socialism. In any EU or Canadian cabinet what is the most important job after Prime Minister and Finance Minister? Minister of Health. Health becomes one of, if not the central focus of a government. I don't even know the name of the Secretary of Health in the US.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:41 PM
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45. When asked 'americans' support universal health care by 60%+
You are just repeating the lies you have been told. Politicians, all of them beholden to Big Pharma and HealthCo, pretend that UHC is unacceptable.

Please don't feed the memes.
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:48 PM
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49. But if Americans really wanted universal health care
wouldn't one of the major political parties would have proposed and implemented a plan by now? Perhaps that's the failing of a political system with 2 right-of-centre parties.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:59 PM
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51. Corruption is widespread.
Both parties are at least partly controlled by corporate greed heads. Consequently real choices and alternatives are not being offered. Even the Clinton's proposal was just another give-away to Big Pharma and HealthCo. Until there is a major malfunction of the system, on the order of the crackup of '29, real reform is not on the horizon. On the other hand, we are most likely heading towards a crackup that might make '29 look minor. Not a very comforting thought, but there are upsides to it.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:54 PM
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58. Absolutely right on!
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:05 PM
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47. We consider it public control
rather than government control, and nurses and doctors (and in the past matrons) are viewed as noble public servants. Its vieweed here as the government is put in charge of OUR NHS and they bettter look after it.

Campaigns are fought and lost over issues of the health service.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:02 AM
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37. Republicans fight the idea like madmen. They perceive people
without money as lazy parasites, and they are doing absolutely everything possible to cut the meager services which still remain after waves of slashing attacks, which assist people in need for any reason.

It seems to be a program to squeeze the very poor until they are desperate enough to steal something, then throw them in one of the new burgeoning private prisons which are making big bucks for an ever-growing prison industry.

You've probably noticed that if the criminal is wealthy, and has the ability to steal MILLIONS, his chances of really having to spend time in jail diminish rapidly.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:41 AM
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33. We're a second-rate country with a first-rate military. (nt)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:05 PM
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43. Here are some of the reasons they talk of:

...In the United States, researchers noted that the population is more racially and economically diverse than many other industrialized countries, making it more challenging to provide culturally appropriate health care.

About half a million U.S. babies are born prematurely each year, data show. African-American babies are twice as likely as white infants to be premature, to have a low birth weight, and to die at birth, according to Save the Children.

The researchers also said lack of national health insurance and short maternity leaves likely contribute to the poor U.S. rankings. Those factors can lead to poor health care before and during pregnancy, increasing risks for premature births and low birth weight, which are the leading causes of newborn death in industrialized countries. Infections are the main culprit in developing nations, the report said.

Other possible factors in the U.S. include teen pregnancies and obesity rates, which both disproportionately affect African-American women and also increase risk for premature births and low birth weights.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:55 PM
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46. What the hey is culturally appropriate health care?
With single payer health care, where everyone can get the care when they need it, why would one need "culturally appropriate" health care? Everyone's health care should be the same - preventative maintenance and then acute care when needed.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 01:12 PM
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44. I wonder what this statistic is by income
Is the reality, that poor people's children are dying because
they have not the medical care of the rich?

And all the while, the political parties get all the donations,
whilst 3rd world healthcare serves the masses... how degenerate.
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lakercub Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:16 PM
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48. Wow
who woulda thunk that European nations with their universal health care and their "socialized" medicine would outperform our for-profit insurance run health care system? Oh, right...I woulda thunk it. As long as poor people don't have insurance the number of women who won't get pregnancy checkups will remain high. A lot of these checkups would do a great job in determining risk factors for the actual time of birth. Deaths at the time of birth can oftentimes be prevented by better prenatal care throughout the pregnancy. But Aetna, Blue Cross, Humana, Metlife, etc. don't give a shit. They are raking in the bucks.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 02:52 PM
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50. Where's the Pro-Life Outrage! Two Million Dead Babies a Year!
Once it's out of the womb, it's on it's own.
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 03:03 PM
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52. It needs to be noted
that the routine use of interventions in labor and delivery such as induction, epidurals, lithiotomy pushing position, etc, and encouraging non-emergency c-sections increase the risks to the mother and the infant. Other nations use these interventions, but only when necessary.
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Matdaddy Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 05:55 PM
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53. Infant Mortality Confounders
Infant mortality rate (IMR) is the number of newborns dying under a year of age divided by the number of live births during the year. (See Infant Mortality at Wikipedia.) Stillbirths, data for which are hard to find, do not count. (Perinatal Mortality at Wikipedia.)

If Ob/Gyns in this country weren't such cowboys, pulling babies out of their mother's wombs and rushing them off to neonatal intensive care units (NICUs) where many of them die later (but many also survive), the infant mortality rate would be lower. How much lower is hard to say. Also, as NICU care improves, the infant mortality rate will decline.

I agree with the use of IMR as an index of the quality of prenatal healthcare mothers receive and the recent JAMA comparison of US and UK health substantiates the claim that healthcare in the US isn't worth what we pay for it, but some of these infant deaths are infants who would have been stillborn in other parts of the world. Our incredible-benefit-to-some-while-ignoring-many style of healthcare, though, delivered them at the earliest sign of risk and spared no expense to keep them alive as long as possible, which in some cases meant less than a year. The result is that the IMR is higher than it would be if we delivered only the low and medium risk infants and essentially left the highest risk infants to be stillborn. As long as we keep delivering and resuscitating every baby with even the worst odds of survival, our IMR numbers are going to be worse than some, no matter how good our prenatal care.

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survivor999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:24 PM
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55. Very good point...
I was also thinking about how these figure skew US life expectancy rates: 2 millions dead people under 1 year old must lower the overall life expectancy numbers (unless they are excluded).
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:40 PM
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62. Other countries take care of premature babies too
It's expensive, but we do it here in Canada too. The U.S. is not unique.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 02:19 AM
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66. Some of the studies control for that, and still get the disparity
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Alexodin Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:48 PM
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56. Its going up from where it was in 2000.
From another post above:

Health Infant mortality
– OECD avg. declined from 36.3 deaths/1000 live births in
1960 to 6.5 deaths/1000 live births in 2000

– US avg. declined from 26.0 deaths/1000 live births in 1960
to 6.9 deaths/1000 live births in 2000

Infant mortality had been declining. Since the 60's.

The news is that it has going up since 2000 reversing a forty year trend.

Thats the wrong direction.

Has it only been since 2000 that we have been providing high tech health care to premature babies that would have been still born in non-industrialized countries and thereby skewing the stats? I'm asking because I don't know, but I doubt it.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 09:53 PM
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57. I don't think healthcare in the US is very good at all compared to Europe
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 10:16 PM
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59. Its Lack of prenatal healthcare due to No insurance and its
going to come out that babies released to early due to lack of Insurance mortality rates skyrocketed because of Hyperbilirubenmia...

Americans pay more for health Insurance than ANYBODY on this planet and get worse care than Hungary

We are getting majorly ripped off here
and people are dying because of it

Heres a real life example
A young girl 21 gets pregnant by her live in boyfriend and doesn't get prenatal care because she doesn't have insurance. She lost her baby when she was about 5 months along... some simple preventative things probably would have prevented this...

and in the end Americans payed for her hospital bill Its a very very sick system...
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-09-06 11:41 PM
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63. Look at the top 20
first 10

Japan
Czech Republic
Finland
Iceland
Norway
Austria
France
Germany
Isreal
Italy

next 10

Luxembourg
Portugal
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Estonia

The U.S. is the only country in the developed world, except for South Africa, that does not provide health care for all of its citizens. (Stephen M Ayres, M.D., Health Care in the Unites States: The Facts and the Choices.) Further, the U.S. has by far the most expensive health care system in the world, based on health expenditures per capita, and on total expedicures as a percentage of gross domestic product.
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-10-06 08:34 AM
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67. When GOP return to trad. wedge issues like abortion
Edited on Wed May-10-06 08:34 AM by Stockholm
They should be slapped in the face with this report. Connecting survival rate for newborn babies and motherhood index with the issue is another example to illustrate RW hypocrisy.
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