Skeleton in the Bush family cupboard

[Scurrilous]

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"One of America's great historical controversies intensifed yesterday with the publication of fresh evidence that members of an elite secret society may have dug up the remains of the Indian leader Geronimo and displayed his skull in their headquarters.

Rumours that half a dozen members of the Skull & Bones society at Yale University - including President George W Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush - dug up the grave of the legendary Apache leader during the First World War have exercised historians for years."

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"Now contemporary evidence has been unearthed backing the theory that a group of young Bonesmen, based at an artillery school at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, desecrated Geronimo's grave.

The Apache leader had died while in custody at Fort Sill in 1909, 23 years after he finally surrendered to US troops.

In a letter written in 1918, one society member tells another that Geronimo's skull had been exhumed and was being kept in the "Tomb" - the society's headquarters in New Haven, Connecticut."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/05/09/wbush09.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/05/09/ixnewsnew.html

[Vidar]

1. Par for the course.

[Kutjara]

2. Talk about bad seed.

Looks like evil goes way back in the Bush family line. I wonder if they're direct decendents of Beelzebub himself.

[ClintonTyree]

3. So the police should get a search warrant..........

and tear the "bones-mens" little play house apart until they find it. Then have it DNA tested (there has to be some DNA record of Geronimo's lineage left) and if it's found to be that of the mighty Native American Chief, return it to it's rightful resting place.

This would be in a fair and lawful world. I doubt you'll see anyone taking those steps against the little rich man's club, there's too many big, rich, fat toes that would be stepped on. :mad:

[acmejack]

7. Exactly right!

If these rumors were going around about normal citizens, the authorities would have acted long ago. America's two tiered Society on display once again! Isn't it amazing what the rich and powerful can do that those of us in the "rabble" can only imagine?

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. Is there probable cause for a warrant?

Is there any proof that Geronimo's skull was ever stolen in the first place?

[Orsino]

19. Ah. Suddenly we need probable cause? n/t

[mumon]

24. And....

Charge at least all current bonesmen with being in possession of stolen property.

[dipsydoodle]

4. I suppose the sickos

are after Marilyn Monroe's bits now.

[leftchick]

5. the bush family is proof positive that

evil is genetic.

[fearthem]

6. Pompous self-centered, self-serving idolaters, everyone of them.

[Freddie Stubbs]

10. Including John Kerry?

He is a member of this organization.

[SpiralHawk]

8. Who knows what EVIL lurks in the Krypt of the Bonesmen

George Skull & Boner Bush has a lot of splainin to do.

Why does he belong to an occult gang or white men in ties?

What are they hiding?

[Freddie Stubbs]

9. Has bonesman Kerry ever been asked about the skull?

:shrug:

[mithnanthy]

14. I remember Kerry was asked about Skull and Bones

...and his reply disturbed me. He quickly responded something to the effect that it was a SECRET and he wouldn't discuss it. When he was running for President, I believe he SHOULD give some explaination of his membership in a SECRET SOCIETY organization.

[Freddie Stubbs]

15. Many Presidents have been members of secrect societies

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:q9-6wZiEJqkJ:www2.davidson.edu/studentlife/involved/pcourt/pcourt_docs/Sel_USPresFraternity%2520Men(jun02).pdf+us+presidents+fraternity&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

This list is in error, and Bill Clinton was in Alpha Phi Omega.

[BuyingThyme]

17. When candidate Kerry was asked, he spit on the concept of democracy.

Mr. Kerry doesn't feel that his true allegiances should be known to the people.

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. What specifically did say to denigrate democracy?

:shrug:

[underpants]

12. Yale Historian Finds Geronimo Clue

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060509/ap_on_re_us/geronimo_s_bones_3

HARTFORD, Conn. - A Yale University historian has uncovered a 1918 letter that seems to lend validity to the lore that Yale University's ultra-secret Skull and Bones society swiped the skull of American Indian leader Geronimo.

The letter, written by one member of Skull and Bones to another, purports that the skull and some of the Indian leader's remains were spirited from his burial plot in Fort Sill, Okla., to a stone tomb in New Haven that serves as the club's headquarters.


"The skull of the worthy Geronimo the Terrible, exhumed from its tomb at Fort Sill by your club... is now safe inside the (Tomb) together with his well worn femurs, bit & saddle horn," according to the letter, written by Winter Mead.

But Mead was not at Fort Sill and researcher Marc Wortman, who found the letter last fall, said Monday he is skeptical the bones are actually those of the famed Indian fighter.

Only 15 Yale seniors are asked to join Skull and Bones each year. Alumni include Sen. John Kerry, President William Howard Taft, numerous members of Congress, media leaders, Wall Street financiers, the scions of wealthy families and agents in the CIA.

[meegbear]

13. From The Straight Dope

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The legendary Apache warrior Geronimo died a captive of the U.S. Army at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, in 1909 and was buried there in an Apache cemetery. As far as anybody knew that's where the body stayed until the 1980s, when Ned Anderson, a leader of the San Carlos Apache, agitated to have Geronimo's remains returned to his native Arizona. In the wake of the publicity Anderson's group got an unexpected letter. The writer, claiming to be a member of Skull and Bones, said Geronimo's bones had been stolen by several S&B alumni during a late-night grave robbery in 1918, apparently while the men were serving as army officers at Fort Sill. The bones supposedly had been on private display at the Tomb ever since. The letter writer subsequently delivered a photo showing a display case with a skull in it and a picture of Geronimo nearby, plus a copy of a purported internal S&B history telling of the 1918 raid. ("Crooks"--exploits in which members steal treasures from nonmembers, or "barbarians"--are a hallowed S&B tradition.) According to the history, one of the thieves was Prescott Bush, father of U.S. president number 41 and grandfather of number 43.

The outraged Apache traveled to New York to meet with S&B representatives and demand that Geronimo's S&B be returned. In one account of the meetings the S&B people admit, "We have a skull that we call Geronimo." Alexandra Robbins, in Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power (2002), says S&B offered to give the Apache the abovementioned display case and a skull. But they also said they'd had the skull examined and found it wasn't Geronimo's but rather that of a ten-year-old boy. Suspicious, the Apache refused the offer, and there's been no progress to speak of since. The story still surfaces occasionally, playing into rants about the perfidy of the Bush family, S&B as an arm of the Illuminati, callous treatment of Native Americans, and so on.

But here's the thing: There's no good reason to believe Geronimo's remains ever left Oklahoma, and plenty of reasons to think they didn't. One obvious problem is the description of the theft in the S&B history: "The ring of pick on stone and thud of earth on earth alone disturbs the peace of the prairie. An axe pried open the iron door of the tomb, and Pat (short for 'patriarch,' the honorific used among S&B alums) Bush entered and started to dig. . . . At the exact bottom of the small round hole, Pat James dug deep and pried out the trophy itself. . . . We quickly closed the grave, shut the door and sped home."

What a hoot, eh? Trouble is, the description bears no relationship to the actual burial place, which wasn't a mausoleum with a door, as the account suggests, but rather a conventional grave in the ground. An S&B representative has described the "crook" account as a hoax, and no less than celebrity biographer Kitty Kelley, in The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty (2004), writes that the whole thing was a tall tale cooked up by Prescott Bush and friends that made its way into S&B lore. OK, so Kelley isn't a sterling source, but most accounts agree that stories of Geronimo's bones having been moved were circulating before 1918--put in play, perhaps, by the local Apache in hopes of discouraging thieves. (Today the grave is covered by a concrete slab and marked with a pyramid of stones, but these were added after 1918.) A Fort Sill spokesman tells me, "There is no evidence to indicate the bones are anywhere but in the grave site."

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http://www.straightdope.com/columns/051111.html

[UTUSN]

16. O.K., now let's get to the Nazi part n/t

[seemslikeadream]

20. The Skull was fairly clean having only some flesh inside and a little hair

http://www.tarpley.net/bush7.htm

Anderson took his complaint to Arizona Congressmen Morris Udahl and John McCain III, but with no results. George Bush refused Congressman McCain's request that he meet with Anderson.

Anderson wrote to Udahl, enclosing a photograph of the wall case and skull at the ``Tomb,'' showing a black and white photograph of the living Geronimo, which members of the Order had boastfully posted next to their display of his skull. Anderson quoted from a Skull and Bones Society internal history, entitled Continuation of the History of Our Order for the Century Celebration, 17 June 1933, by The Little Devil of D'121.

From the war days also sprang the mad expedition from the School of Fire at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, that brought to the T its most spectacular ``crook,'' the skull of Geronimo the terrible, the Indian Chief who had taken forty-nine white scalps. An expedition in late May, 1918, by members of four Clubs , Xit D.114, Barebones, Caliban and Dingbat, D.115, S'Mike D.116, and Hellbender D.117, planned with great caution since in the words of one of them: ``Six army captains robbing a grave wouldn't look good in the papers.'' The stirring climax was recorded by Hellbender in the Black Book of D.117: ``... The ring of pick on stone and thud of earth on earth alone disturbs the peace of the prairie. An axe pried open the iron door of the tomb, and Pat Bush entered and started to dig. We dug in turn, each on relief taking a turn on the road as guards.... Finally Pat Ellery James turned up a bridle, soon a saddle horn and rotten leathers followed, then wood and then, at the exact bottom of the small round hole, Pat James dug deep and pried out the trophy itself.... We quickly closed the grave, shut the door and sped home to Pat Mallon's room, where we cleaned the Bones. Pat Mallon sat on the floor liberally applying carbolic acid. The Skull was fairly clean, having only some flesh inside and a little hair. I showered and hit the hay ... a happy man....''@s9

The other grave robber whose name is given, Ellery James, we encountered in Chapter 1--he was to be an usher at Prescott's wedding three years later. And the fellow who applied acid to the stolen skull, burning off the flesh and hair, was Neil Mallon. Years later, Prescott Bush and his partners chose Mallon as chairman of Dresser Industries; Mallon hired Prescott's son, George Bush, for George's first job; and George Bush named his son, Neil Mallon Bush, after the flesh-picker.
In 1988, the Washington Post ran an article, originating from the Establishment-line Arizona Republic, entitled ``Skull for Scandal: Did Bush's Father Rob Geronimo's Grave?'' The article included a small quote from the 1933 Skull and Bones History of Our Order: ``An axe pried open the iron door of the tomb, and ... Bush entered and started to dig....'' and so forth, but neglected to include other names beside Bush.

According to the Washington Post, the document which Bush attorney Endicott Davison tried to get the Apache leader to sign, stipulated that Ned Anderson agreed it would be ``inappropriate for you, me or anyone in association with us to make or permit any publication in connection with this transaction.'' Anderson called the document ``very insulting to Indians.'' Davison claimed later that the Order's own history book is a hoax, but during the negotiations with Anderson, Bush's attorney demanded Anderson give up his copy of the book.@s1@s0

Bush crony Fitzhugh Green gives the view of the President's backers on this affair, and conveys the arrogant racial attitude typical of Skull and Bones:

``Prescott Bush had a colorful side. In 1988 the press revealed the complaint of an Apache leader about Bush. This was Ned Anderson of San Carlos, Oklahoma , who charged that as a young army officer Bush stole the skull of Indian Chief Geronimo and had it hung on the wall of Yale's Skull and Bones Club. After exposure of `true facts' by Anderson, and consideration by some representatives in Congress, the issue faded from public sight. Whether or not this alleged skullduggery actually occurred, the mere idea casts the senior Bush in an adventurous light''@s1@s1.

[superconnected]

18. As if George doesn't have enough skeletons scattered around in his present

Maybe they do or don't have Geronimos bones, but they didn't name themselves skull and bones society for nothing. You have to wonder who's bones they do have.

And then you have to consider that looting the dead may be the way their familys always made money, be it the nazis, or GW allowing 911 to happen so he could be a war profiteer, as well as his throw-away of Iraqi and American lives in the invasion of iraq for profiteering.

[Jacobin]

21. He doesn't even bother with closets

[grasswire]

22. so just test the DNA

surely there are some Geronimo descendants living today.

[JPZenger]

23. Was the Subject of Doonesbury Cartoons

This was the subject of Doonesbury cartoons when George H.W. Bush was President. (Trudeau also went to Yale and had heard all the stories).

[Megahurtz]

25. I Heard About This Before.

And it figures, Prescott being a Nazi and all.:(
Question is, where are the bones now?
Are they still there?
They should be giving them back out of respect.