Attacks will continue until day the Americans leave

[nolabels]

Does it really matter how much the corporate media lies to the US public if the rest of the world doesn't believe it?

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=465083

Attacks will continue until day the Americans leave, says report
By Patrick Cockburn
19 November 2003


As George Bush arrived in London last night, an unprecedented and bleak assessment of the deteriorating military situation in Iraq was circulating among policymakers in Washington.

The report - contradicting many claims by the US administration - is based on briefings by Paul Bremer, the US de facto governor of Iraq; military commanders, unnamed intelligence officers and David Kay, the American who leads the hunt for Saddam's alleged weapons of mass destruction. It says attacks on Americans by Sunni Iraqis will continue "until the day the US leaves".

US army commanders are also learning how Saddam Hussein forced his officers to read Black Hawk Down - the account of the shooting down of US helicopters in Mogadishu during America's disastrous intervention in Somalia in the early 1990s - to convince them the US would leave if it suffered major casualties. The Iraqi resistance movement is believed to have a war chest of up to $1bn - with a further $3bn hidden in Syria - and it is paying between $25 and $500 for each attack on US forces.

It also says 95 per cent of the threat is from former regime loyalists and that suicide bombings are being carried out largely by foreigners.

The report, compiled by the prestigious Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), is all the more devastating because of the unusual level of access provided to its author, Dr Anthony Cordesman, a specialist on Iraq. He concludes that US soldiers are dying because of the ideological approach of the administration, and "four years into office, the Bush national security team is not a team".
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[omshanti]

1. 'the beatings will continue until morale improves'

what a mixed-up world we live in

[sasquatch]

2. File this report under "D" for...

DUH!!!!

[nolabels]

10. Thanks for the reply, for a minute I thought I was being a bit irrational

Many things I read said this was going to happen like this, I just couldn't figure out where so many other's memory and predictions got lost to. Can I say damn it, everybody told you so, why won't some of them fools listen anyway? Then as to try and answer my own question I say it's because they have there ear too close to the train track. Some are confused but many on DU are not

My theory is the more they lie, the more, bigger and blatant the lies become (I know it’s too simple). This really seams like child Psychology to me, why do grown adults have to deal with these things like this? Should it be that hard to figure out and why is it some still haven't?

But there is always them other avenues, so I thought I might throw this in this might be interesting for those less skeptical but still trying to find answers that are not there


http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j111903.html

November 19, 2003

THE BIZARRO EFFECT
Did 9/11 rip a hole in the space-time continuum? The evidence grows….
by Justin Raimondo




Something quite sinister is happening. But you knew that. As we know all too well, since the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, everything changed: the earth somersaulted on its axis, and reality became …inverted. I first broached, somewhat tentatively, the idea that 9/11 ripped a hole in the space-time continuum and delivered us into a nightmare universe – a Bizarro World where up is down, right is wrong, and conservatives have morphed into Jacobins – in a column written last year. I see that Maureen Dowd has picked up on this, recently, and the meme is spreading, as evidence for my thesis picks up steadily, in small ways and large:

The President declares that we're in Iraq for the long haul – even as the drawdown of American forces accelerates.

The President declares that we're going to stay the course – even as he gets ready to fob the problem off on the Europeans.

The President declares that we won't "cut and run" in Iraq – even he cuts and runs at the prospect of facing Britain's Parliament.

But it's the little things, too, that tend to support the Bizarro World thesis. Like this blog entry, taken from an Iraqi blog entitled "Healing Iraq":

"Unless there are some extreme measures and punishments against those responsible it is going to get any better. I'm going to repeat it again and everyday:
public trials, public trials, public trials, public trials, public trials, public trials, public trials, public trials,
(snip)

[sasquatch]

11. Will you do me a favor and explain that to the Clarkies in GD

Me and you talking about this is just "preaching to the choire" as it is called.

[nolabels]

13. It's hard to reason with reactionaries

Not that Clark supporters are, it’s just personal taste is just that, personal.

For me, Clark is just another brand X, and why would I want to pick up on something more when I haven’t tried the latest version of the thing. Then to ponder that the earlier version is something that didn’t work before in the first place. It is a riddle to me too

Or to put it another way, do you call a electrician when your drain is clogged?

On edit: Everybody has faults and they might be correct in many ways then most could count. The one thing that cannot be denied is they would not be here if they also didn't have a problem with *, on that I salute them, and wish them luck too :-)

[jbfam4]

3. How many of our local papers

will carry this story?

[sasquatch]

15. Mine might do it

The Dayton Daily is pretty good considering the fact that it's in the the corridor of the capitol of mid west fascism.

[Neutrino]

4. Just as we, Americans, would fight to the death against invaders

so, too, will the Iraqi people. In addition, Islam dictates that
all Iraquis fight for their country. That is not my opinion, it
is a fact.

Bush is a binary thinking absolutist, who fails to grasp the
complexities of the Middle East Region.

[nn2004]

5. Islam dictates

That does beg the question why they did not fight against Saddam in larger numbers.

[sasquatch]

6. They had no middle class in Iraq to support the revolt

That's why:(

[Neutrino]

7. because Saddam was not an invader

and while he was harsh in many ways, and his nepotism was frowned
upon, Iraqis felt reasonably safe in their homes and woman could
travel safely at night. He provided the necessities of life, even
during harsh times of sanction, and health care and education
through University were free of charge. Again, not a defence of
Saddam, but an answer to your question as to why the Iraqi people
were not inclined to violent overthrow during the very long time
that he was leader.

[SnowGoose]

9. They did.

After the first gulf "war" George H.W. Bush urged the people of Iraq to rise up against S.H. And they did. And they got slaughtered as we stood by.

Not trying to slam you, just pointing out that when you ask "why didn't they fight in larger numbers", it ignores that many did fight.

[Zhade]

12. Good point.

Don't forget the U.S.-provided helicopter gunships used by Hussein to put down the rebellion.

[Aidoneus]

16. this may interest you

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~irdp/ref/ref04.html

[Dan]

18. If invaded

by a foreign power, that only wanted a change at the top...
probably would watch the trials and executions on TV.

If they left after the change... no problem.

If they stayed, ah, then we have an issue.

[Dan]

19. P.S.....If invaded

oh, they would also have to do some house cleaning with the Congress and Supreme Court.

[truthspeaker]

8. Only a complete idiot would not have realized this a long time ago

Oh, right. Bush is a complete idiot.

[sasquatch]

14. Meet the other 'complete idiots'

Or I should say willfully ignorant for the DLC and their corporate whore political advisors.

"I love the BCF's oil war and want to continue it. The DLC dragged my ass out of the mothballs because they found out there'd be a NHL team in hell before LIEberman won".

Here's all the rest of our willfully ignorant dems.:grr: I hate nothing more than a trader

[nolabels]

21. Thanks, I needed that

:hi:

[cliss]

17. According to my calculations,

VietNam was fought about 37 years ago. That's about 1 generation. Do we need to have wars closer together so that the successive children don't repeat the same mistakes of 1 generation ago?

We are going on a joyride of their choosing. They have to learn these lessons the hard way, rather than take the good advice from people who have lived through the horrors of war.

And yes, the Americans will continue to be shot at, bombed, and generally at risk before the war planners figure this out.

It will take some time. Right now, they're on a mad gamble to get the oil pouring through the pipelines before the money runs out.

It's my belief that we will run out of money before we run out of troops. I calculated one time that we are paying about $144,000 per soldier in Iraq. It could be higher now (that was before the newest installment of $87 billion).

I guarantee the money will be gone before Halliburton sees any significant oil revenue.

[IndianaGreen]

20. I recommend you guys rent the movie "Red Dawn"

It is a story about an invasion of the US during the height of the Cold War. It is a very accurate film depiction of a classic guerrilla war against a foreign occupier, including the summary execution of collaborators. A great classic directed by John Milius (Conan the Barbarian), starring Charlie Sheen and Patrick Swayze.

[nolabels]

22. All of the FICTION that I have witness does not coincide with the.........

non-senseical world that seems flopping around these days. I might agree with the headline of the original post, I will disagree on who or what the conclusions of why it’s taking place. Here is another new article on it today. Notice what the article says about who is doing here.

http://apnews1.iwon.com/article/20031119/D7UTUIAG0.html?PG=home&SEC=news

AP: Iraqis Say Saddam Not Leading Attacks

Nov 19, 5:05 PM (ET)

By SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI

(AP) Salwan Ibrahim, who claims to be a relative of ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, shows his home...
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SAMARA, Iraq (AP) - A former Iraqi general who claims to be part of the insurgency against U.S. troops says the guerrilla war around this "Sunni Triangle" city is being waged by small groups fighting on their own without direction from Saddam Hussein or others.

He and two other Samara men, who said they are in separate guerrilla units, insisted in interviews with The Associated Press that their fight isn't aimed at returning Saddam to power. They said it's about ending the U.S.-led occupation and restoring Iraqi rule.

"I am fighting for my country - not Saddam Hussein - to get rid of the infidels. Very few people are fighting for him. They gave up on him at the end of the war," said one of the men, an unemployed electrical engineer.

Despite the Bush administration's statement that it wants to turn over sovereignty by next June and eventually withdraw its troops, the men said they believe the Americans are here to pillage Iraq and steal its oil.
(snip)