ABC: Edwards: Bush Worse than Nixon; Blasts Bush, Readies to Run Again

[DeepModem Mom]

Edwards: Bush Worse than Nixon
2004 Vice Presidential Contender Blasts Bush and Readies to Run Again
By ED O'KEEFE

May 21, 2006 — - Former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., says George W. Bush is the "worst president of our lifetime," and "absolutely" worse than Watergate-tainted President Richard M. Nixon.

In an exclusive appearance on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos," the former presidential and vice presidential contender said of Bush, "He's done a variety of things -- things which are going to take us forever to recover from.

"You have to give Bush and Cheney and gang credit for being good at politics -- you know, good at political campaigns," Edwards added. "They're very good at dividing the country and taking advantage of it. What they're not good at is governing, and it shows every single day in this administration. And the country is paying a huge price for that."...

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Edwards made the pitch for a Democratic president in 2008, claiming the Bush has "intentionally ignored" the law and constitution in the NSA wiretapping controversy....

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As to whether he might be the one to press...an (anti-poverty) agenda in the 2008 presidential campaign, Edwards said, "I'm thinking about it, and I'm very seriously considering it. I just haven't made a final decision....Elizabeth Edwards, the former senator's wife of 29 years, was diagnosed with breast cancer on Nov. 3, 2004, the day that Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., and his running mate Edwards conceded defeat to the Bush-Cheney team.... "All the tests are good, and they're very encouraging. But we have young children, Emma Claire and Jack, and the health of Elizabeth and how my family's doing would have to be at the front of anything."...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/print?id=1985018

[wakeme2008]

1. I can support Edwards but not Kerry...

Edwards wanted to fight until every vote was counted. Kerry folded like a wet paper towel.

[Copperred]

4. EDWARDS/CLARK in '08!!!!!

Edwards/Clark ALL THE WAY...

[wakeme2008]

6. That sounds good to me

:)

[goclark]

28. Sounds good to Goclark too!

[shadowknows69]

30. Or Edwards/Feingold

that would work too.

[Mass]

12. Why would Clark want to be VP of somebody who is less qualified than he is

to be president? I dont think he wants to be the Dick Cheney of Edwards.

[AmericanDream]

26. What makes Clark more qualified?

Zero political or public office experience? Yes, he is more qualified to be the sec. of defense or the sec. of state, but Edwards definitely has more experience with government and a firm grasp on the country's national issues.

For Clark to be Edwards' Cheney, you would have to assume that Edwards is a Bush... and that thought is just laughable... Edwards is a guy who does his own homework, he doesn't need a Cheney to tell him the facts.

[arch_liberal]

93. Always remember Cheney is a sycophant of Rumsfeld

When Larry King asked Rummy about him, he recalled hiring him - and giving him a shot. It's Rummy who runs Bush's foriegn policy.

[Copperred]

105. Clark will not be a Dan Qualyle type VP...Edwads will want him involved.

A Clark Edwards ticket would be very likely to lead to a 16 year RUN....on the WH.

[HannibalBarca]

84. Clark's a born leader

he should be pres candidate and maybe Edwards as VP. I'm sure Clarke has gained a good deal of experience in the years since 04 election.

[arch_liberal]

94. So's Eisenhower, but that was back when America won it's wars...

Instead of withdrawing with it's tail burnt off...

[adriennui]

16. edwards/feingold or clark/feingold

[laureloak]

48. Now that's a combination I could get behind. n/t

[AJE]

88. Clark/Edwards OR Edwards/Clark !! YEAHH!!!!!

Clark/Edwards OR Edwards/Clark !! YEAHH!!!!!
Either way, this would be a WINNING Team...and boy, do we need them in 2008!!
They will have their work cut out for them, after Bush and his cronies finally leave the White House; but they can handle it.
:kick:

[brentspeak]

8. What was Kerry supposed to do?

Claim "I was robbed!" when there was absolutely no smoking gun, no evidence, no nothing?

(Geez, these "Kerry didn't fight for our votes!" people just don't seem to get it...)

[uppityperson]

46. Wait for all the votes to be counted.

This country has a problem with "I need to know now!" My suggestion: vote, wait 2 weeks while all the votes are counted before announcing the winner.

[brentspeak]

57. Two weeks later, the results were the same:

In Ohio, Bush recorded a lot more votes than Kerry. But we already knew that would be the verdict; the contention that the "Kerry quit!" people hold is that Kerry was cheated out of a victory in Ohio. Supposing that it's true Bush cheated, what evidence did Kerry have in hand to reasonably demand for some type of investigation?

Therefore, the Kerry condemners have no argument to make.

[uppityperson]

59. Wait for the results before announcing them

Are you saying that no more votes were counted after the election was called the day after election or that even after counting all the votes, bush still won? What about the evidence of people voting for 1 party yet the machines recording it for another? Wait, sorry, I do not want to get into paper-trail voting here, sorry. I just want the results NOT announced until all the votes are in. Why does it have to be announced right away? Living on the west coast, I know of people who do not vote because the election is already called by the time they get off work and can go vote. Perhaps if the results were NOT given out right away, it would encourage them to vote since they would think their vote might count. My complaint is with having to announce the results right away.

[TankLV]

107. West coast? What about Hawai'i and Guam! The polls in the east are

CLOSED before Hawai'i's and Guam's even OPEN!

That's INSULTING to us!

I hope some day they REQUIRE that all pronouncements about results wait till the LAST VOTES ARE COUNTED!

[L.A.dweller]

80. Kerry only cared about his own political future

Voter intimidation occured on a wide scale in Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004.
Kerry could have brought attention to all the misdealings that the Republicans were up to
but he didn't because he wanted to save his political future. VOter/civil rights groups were already on the job! Edwards wanted to fight because he had nothing to lose (his gave up his seat remember?)

[wisteria]

102. N ope, Kerry cared about the country. His decision was based on

what was best for the country and what was available as legal facts. He conceeded because he was wise enought to know what challanging the results would bring. At a time of war, it is important to continue to show unity and force. Kerry challanging the election would have brought termoil and confusion making us look weak.

[arch_liberal]

92. Kerry shouldn't have tried to out-Repuke the Repukes

[brook]

9. Edwards would get my vote.

He was the best thing about the Kerry campaign, imho.

What with Elizabeth's health, it might be a lot to ask of him, but I hope he does run.He knows what 'real' life is for the average American and he has the charisma to unify a badly fractured society.
That, and he recognizes the enormous task ahead...ain't gonna be no picnic.

[politicasista]

45. blame the campaign managers for that

Kerry/Edwards were a nice ticket.

Anyway, I don't understand what the big deal is. Although I like the Edwards', he is really going to have to get some foreign policy experience, especially if we are still in Iraq and don't attack Iran around 08. He has every right to run IMO.

[Triana]

85. If he runs, he has my vote...

...I LOVE John Edwards. He knows where it's all at and has his finger on the pulse. I just hope Elizabeth is OK. If she has a relapse (I think she's had breast cancer twice?), then I certainly wouldn't blame him for not running.

Both of them are extremely nice folks and I just wish them well, no matter what.

[primavera]

87. Mine too, to my surprise

When he was running for the presidency, I remember being highly unimpressed by his constant repetitions of how he was the son of poor people. Somewhere around the millionth repetition, I began to seriously wonder whether he had any ideas whatsoever or was just going to run on his qualifications as the son of poor workers. But then when when he stepped into the vice presidential slot and began actually saying something, damn, all of a sudden, he was absolutely smokin'! He far outshined the dull and lifeless Kerry as far as I was concerned.

[struggle4progress]

101. JE grows and learns. Small town, working class kid made good,

he believes in the American Dream. He was still wet-behind-the-ears when * was elected, and in *'s first few years, JE drank some of the koolade. But he's shown himself willing to change his own mind and to speak out on real issues.

[Mass]

11. Proof of what you are saying, please? Some people are repeating things

that are simply lies. Sad, but true.

BTW, I cannot support Edwards. He is a phony who uses his wife's health as a political tool.

[pooja]

14. I disagree

I think if you go through a life altering process such as the diagnosis and the treatment of cancer with a loved one, you do not think of it as a political edge (I don't care who you are). It is a horrible prognosis and maybe more horrible waiting for news. This man has suffered with real issues. He has lost a child, his wife has been diagnosed with breast cancer, and he has small children who he wants the best for. I think this makes him more human. And so what if he was a trial lawyer. Do you expect all children who are born of working class to always stay there.

[QC]

17. "Do you expect all children who are born of working class...

to always stay there."

Yes, we should stay in our place--fixing old GTOs and milking cows--and leave running the country to Ivy League New Englanders like Kerry. It's simply presumptuous for someone like Edwards to place himself above his betters.

:sarcasm:

[Mass]

19. Did I say that? Certainly not. God!

I love Harkin and others that certainly were not richer than Edwards. Actually, compared to some people in the Senate and the House, Edwards was relatively at ease (which shows when he speaks about poverty that he never knew). This is why I say he is phony.

But apparently, saying what you think of Kerry is OK, saying what you think of Edwards is not. Some are just reversed snobs.

[Mass]

18. It is a terrible prognostic, I agree. I just wished he did not bring it

at every interview (or should Biden bring his lost wife and daughter at each interview, Hillary Bill's philandering, Kerry his first wife and her health problems when he was first running, Vilsack the fact that he was abandonned at birth, Hagel his father dying when he was 16 and letting him responsible of his 4 brothers and sisters...). We are talking about grown men and women in their 60s who have all had hardship in their lives. Except if they reacted in an exceptional way (good or bad), I dont see how it is relevant.

I am seeking for a president, not for the most heartbreaking story. For this, I watch soaps.

Did I say anything about trial lawyer? No, but you are clearly short of arguments. I dont like Edwards and said so.

[pooja]

29. And who do you think brings up his wife?

The reporters ask the questions... and why not? Many women in this country suffer from breast cancer. Why not speak of it? My aunt had a scare... it was horrible waiting for the news. My grandfather died of lung cancer..(diff cancer) but all the same very very very very very shitty.

[saracat]

37. But most voters DO care about those stories. Most of us want to know

something about the man we vote for.Most people vote for who they think the man is. How they handle adversity is the key to how they might handle the presidency.

[AmericanDream]

27. That's disgusting

your attack on Edwards that is. He is being honest there: you think he should run if his wife's cancer comes back? Seriously, if you don't like him... good for you, but don't use such ridiculous reasons for the basis of your judgment. If he was one to milk family tragedies, he would have used his son's death as a point in his speeches to show that he has been through the worst... yet he never brought his son up. I guess some people can't see true Class even if it is shoved in their faces.

[saracat]

38. I agree absolutely. Disgusting doesn't go far enough!

[tabasco]

86. I support this post & agree completely.

Those are some disgusting and untrue statements about Edwards.

[arch_liberal]

95. All the more reason why Hillary would be his best running mate!

As much as I love the Clintons dearly I just cannot see the Party risking such a pivotal election on a woman candidate as much as Hillary deserves the honor. But on the other hand, she could run a perfect attack-dog defence for him and broaden the ticket's appeal in a way that no other VP could.

Just think of the forests of trees and oceans of hate-ink the repukes would squander on Hillary bashing, all the while, completely missing the positive main messages that Edwards would be freed to make?

This is the ideal scenario, a win-win vs all lose-lose for the Repukes.

[saracat]

36. Mass, I am shocked that you would say this!

John Edwards is no phony and you have no reason to believe he is. I have met John and Elizabeth both on several occasions and they are among the most genuine people I have ever met. I am sickened that you would think he uses Elizabeth's health as a political "tool".John talks about her health because people want to know. Period. As for his "poverty" that was genuine to. Every politician has a back story and the personal story of their life is always relevant. I cannot agree with you about this.And I see no reason for such a vicious attack. I hope Elizabeth never reads this here. And she does read DU.

And BTW, my husband is running for office and occasionally mentions a health condition that I have in discussing health insurance. I suppose you would think that was using my health as a political "tool"' as well!

[politicasista]

47. I am too n/t

[woo me with science]

64. I hope he DOES mention her cancer, and keep mentioning it.

Somebody has to bring a human face to the health care crisis in this country. I will support any Dem. candidate who comes forward with a plan so that people don't have to worry about being diagnosed with cancer, or any other terrible condition, while they are uninsured.

[arch_liberal]

96. His and this parties best possible VP would make that unnecessary

[pecwae]

81. I don't recall

him using Elizabeth's BC as a political tool. He has mentioned it and why not? How is that wrong?

[TankLV]

108. That's ugly, a LIE, and totally uncalled for.

You need to APOLOGIZE for that SMEAR on an HONERABLE and GOOD man!

SHAME ON YOU!

[Terran1212]

21. A couple of ad hominem attacks are not going to help, Edwards

Just calling him the "worst president" is not going to do much unless you outline specific complaints. You'll just be labeled as part of the far left media conspiracy otherwise.

[scarface2004]

22. ad hominem attacks are the way to go!

besides worst president edwards might want to go with 'bush is an asshole!

[1932]

23. George didn't let him get through his long list of specific complaints.

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/

[Oak2004]

56. Yes-- by the remaining 20-something-percent

of the country that doesn't already think * is the worst president ever.

The rest of us welcome such words as truth telling.

[robbedvoter]

32. Sooo...why didn't he? Why is he still saying W good at campaigning?

If he really wanted to fight, why didn't he come out to speak of the election steal, diebold - ANYTHING?

[wordpix2]

42. Gore/Edwards! The pro-environment, anti-poverty ticket

[Tyrone Slothrop]

50. There we go!

That would be a fine ticket with a lot of potential.

Two progressive southern Democrats -- do we really have a better shot than that?

(Also, I have to confess -- much as I like Edwards, I don't think he's really qualified to be President yet. Veep? Sure, but not pres just yet.)

[karynnj]

44. I suspect if anyone in the MSM asks, Edwards will say that he would

have conceded when Kerry did. Edwards, to my knowledge, has never said in any MSM interview that the election was stolen or that he would have fought longer. Kerry's was the second slowest concession in modern times - on Tuesday night they didn't concede. In the morning they had a count of the provisional ballots that was lower than they thought there were the night before - the numbers weren't there.

Edwards has said nothing on fixing the voting process and I seriously doubt he will do what you demand Kerry do which is to claim the election was stolen without any high quality proof.

[Acadia Blue]

66. Me too! Edwards is no DLC republican light pig. Edwards, Fiengold, or

Edwards, Clark

[dysfunctional press]

77. Edwards was a dlc golden boy, make no mistake.

that's how he ended up on the ticket with kerry in the first place.

it appears that he's distanced himself since he's been out of office...but i just have reservations about the guy.
i think i might be able to be convinced to get behind gore/edwards (with clark as secretary of defense)...but any combination in 2008 that includes clinton or kerry is doa afaic.

[Southsideirish]

106. No Kerry - never again! Also no Hillary or Biden -ever. Gore is my

choice but if he decided not to run I'm for Feingold and maybe Clarke.

[expatriot]

2. Edwards might be my man for 2008. nt.

[ClassWarrior]

3. I love this man.

But not in that way.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

NGU.

[jazzjunkysue]

33. I love him both ways.

Go, John!

[barb162]

49. he's wonderful; I enjoy watching him

[AnOhioan]

5. If he runs I will support him

I would support Al Gore as well, but until one or both of them actually announce their candidacy there is not much too do but hope.

[wakeme2008]

7. Welcome to DU AnOhioan

:hi:

[DeepModem Mom]

10. Another welcome to DU!

[Skink]

13. I suppose he's got a plan for Iraq...

get ready John these folks like to play hardball.

[grytpype]

15. Edwards is a great candidate! EDWARDS/CLARK 2008!

[howmad1]

20. Its just amazing to me........

....that we have such a great list of presidential candidates: Edwards, Gore, Feingold, Clark, maybe even Hillary. Think about who the rethugs have to run against this terrific line-up: McCain, Allen, Guilliani. If we don't start taking full advantage of this terrific line-up soon, I fear the Democratic party will consign themselves to the trash heap of history.

[LongTomH]

25. I agree with your!

We've got some very good possibilities for '08 candidates. It's not going to help us to form another circular firing squad and take potshots at each other's choices!

Edwards is one of my top 2 or 3 choices. I'm still making up my mind who to support in the 2008 primaries; but, I could support Edwards with a whole heart.

[reprobate]

24. I'd rather see Al Gore run again. With Clark as his VP.

Gore has honed his public persona thru his speaking tour so that he no longer will play the stiff in public. He has the intillect and experience to do a good job, and Clark has the military experience to be a great advisor on rebuilding our esteem around the world.

My biggest worry about all the possible candidates is the massive job cut out for them to reverse the Simian's destructiion of our nation.

[jazzjunkysue]

34. I love Gore but he's toast. He and Clinton need to be our Dem

leaders and spokespeople on issues. Gore can't be on a ticket again.

[IndyOp]

40. Why is Gore toast for 2008 Presidential run? (n/t)

:shrug:

[wordpix2]

43. why not? Gore won popular vote in '00 & he'll have indies behind him this

time and maybe some smart repubs, too.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

51. Why can't Gore be on a ticket again?

Perhaps you should read the article on the front page about how the Republicans support their candidates that stumble while the Democrats turn theirs into pariahs.

And, anyway, Gore got more votes than Bush last time he ran. So what's the problem?

[politicasista]

53. Unfortunately, Gore isn't running.

He said so last night at the Cannes Film Festival.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1250940

[robbedvoter]

31. Good at political campaigns? THEY LOST! THEY ROBBED YOU!(ME!)

he still covers up for the farce. Any candidate who does that will never get my vote for anything.

[CornField]

69. It was a round-about way of saying they are good at "Swiftboating"

Next time Edwards is in your town, corner him and ask those tough questions on your mind. I don't think his answers will disappoint you.

[robbedvoter]

73. Too roundabout for me. The stolen election needs to be spoken up

Who gives a s* about swiftboating? kerry?edwards won. Edwards promissed "in this election all the botes will be counted. Now he praises their campaigning? :wtf: I am already disappointed - and my expectations were low to begin with,

[PassingFair]

35. I could go for Edwards/Feingold

I think I could live with THEIR compromises.

[ruggerson]

39. I far prefer Edwards to either Gore or Kerry

Edwards is a better campaigner, far more empathetic, can relate to people better and is more mediagenic.

I also think he's a gutsy fighter.

I'm happy with any combination of Edwards, Feingold, Warner and Schweitzer.

[robbedvoter]

41. How is he a gutsy fighter? He won, was robbed and praises W for it

let's not forget praising the Cheneys for being dedicated parents. Ummm, he so tuff!

[karynnj]

52. If Edwards were that much better at campaigning than Kerry,

he would have become the front runner in 2004 on the first multi state day. After Iowa and NH, Edwards was clearly in second place - by himself or tied with Dean. The next contests were in SC, OK, MO, ND, DE, NM, and AZ. If Kerry and Edwards were equal candidates, those are states Edwards would likely have won due to the fact that these states would favor a Southern popularist over a NE liberal. The media actually seemed prepared for this as this is when there were many Edwards profiles. The norm in open nominations is the front runner changes. Kerry won 5 of the states - Edwards 1 and Clark 1. (In no state did Kerry get less than the 27% he got in OK. Edwards was significantly less in several) Even with these results, CNN called it a big victory for Kerry and a smaller one for Edwards.

If Edwards would have won even half those states the media, which liked him, would have said he had momentum and could beat Kerry. In 1992, Clinton won a different set of mostly southern states to become the front runner. The fact is that Kerry must have done something better as a candidate because he actually won the nomination very easily.

[robbedvoter]

74. He certainly had the media pushing for him, that's for sure.

Anyway, considering the Dem ticket won, I am not discussing campaigning. He owes me the truth about the election results.
Until then, no go from me.

[mcscajun]

54. Clark/Edwards doesn't sound too bad.

I don't think I'd be nearly as happy with the reverse.

Clark/anyDem sounds good to me. :)

[arch_liberal]

97. Another ex-military boss in the Whitehouse?

Eisenhower did enough damage with his DRA and the creation of that disinformation mafia we call the CIA. The military industrial complex Eisenhower created is a cancer that must be killed off and destroyed if we ever hope to have peace and freedom again in this country, and around the world.

Let me remind you that the CIA has never ever had any single success of any sort, every covert action and program it and it's alphabet soup associated foriegn vice crime cabals have always done nothing more than make matters worse and resulted in shame, humiliation and embarrassment to this nation. The cloak of disinformation secrecy this civilian privateering paramilitary nonsense has required, has made us all strangers to and blind servants of our own government and it has turned into little more than a secret military-industrial fear-mongering confidence racket.

Military information gathering for defence is one thing, and the OSS should have stayed in the Army.




"...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." -- George Washington

[Turbineguy]

55. Worse than Nixon?

That's an interesting statement. I campaigned for Nixon way back when. I really have not changed my view of the world all that much since then. Nixon was more progressive than Clinton. The country has moved to the far right since then. If Nixon was around now, he'd get Swiftboated for sure. We remember him for those little gems like the Checkers speech or not having him to kick around any more but there was a lot more to him than that. He opened up China, brought an end to the Vietnam war. He won a second term with the biggest landslide ever and he would have won even without doing Watergate. It was shame he was involved in that, because it was stupid and completely unnecessary. After he became President he told those who thought they owned him where to get off.

To even compare Bush to Nixon is to compare shit to cream.

[Endangered Specie]

58. Perhaps... but from the general public's perspective

saying someone is worse than Nixon is the poltical equivelent of damning.

[karynnj]

76. Agree that Nixon did some good things

But I don't give him credit for ending the war in 1973 - 5 years after he came to office with a secret plan to end the war. Nixon and Kissinger threw monkey wreches into LBJ's attempt to end the war in 1968, after he bowed out of the Presidential race. Congress cut off the funding. (I think around half of the soldiers who died died after Nixon became President.)

[nodehopper]

100. exactly, not to mention

that he founded the EPA. The fact that Nixon had to resign says little about how he is in comparison to Bush and much more about our culture and the media culture of the time.

[MrSlayer]

60. Edwards is a nice guy and all.

But I really don't see what he brings to the table as far as a Presidential candidate. I think his complete dearth of foreign policy credentials and lack of leadership experience would be far too easy to exploit. I like the guy, he's a good speaker and charming but I would only vote for him if he gets the nomination, he's not in my top 5 choices.

[high density]

62. I agree completely

The Iran war drums will be banging for the next two+ years and we need somebody who will be able to talk about that stuff with some sort of credibility. The GOP fear machine is going to be going full bore again and a speech from mister persistent happy smile isn't going to be enough to offset the lies.

[951-Riverside]

61. Nixon had honor

...he knew he fucked up and he stepped down. You cant say that about this dumbshit in white house right now.

[JNelson6563]

63. Give 'em hell John!

Take it to 'em. Rock on. :toast:

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

65. Gore/Edwards

Gives Gore the chance that was stolen from him, as it does Edwards. They are both wronged men who deserve a shot at what they ran for the first time.

[stepnw1f]

67. Not A Bad Combination

I'd rather see Gore and Russ Feingold.

[Emillereid]

68. Gore/Edwards might work!

Edwards has a lot of strengths -- has he disavowed his Iraqi war vote? Biggest weakness is his relative lack of experience.

[machka]

70. Re: war vote - he has.

Nov. 13, 2005: Edwards - "I was wrong."

[beltanefauve]

78. Yes!

I was going to post this link myself but you beat me to it. As for me, I like the sounds of an Edwards/Clark ticket. Either name in front.

[Emillereid]

79. I missed that somehow -- great news!

[Catchawave]

71. Run Johnny Run !

[Divine Discontent]

98. "Hope is on the way!"

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <--- CHECK IT OUT 08 stickers of top Dems

[wisteria]

72. I still can not see Edwards as President- I would support Kerry though. n/

[Zech Marquis]

75. i'd love to see Edwards run again

after the 8 years of sheer evil and darkness we've had to endure, John Edwards would be a perfect shining light for this country.

[DiverDave]

82. Edwards\Richardson

Now THERE is a ticket that would BURY the repukes.

I voted for Edwards in the primary, and would again.

[Catchawave]

83. Edwards/any governor.....

...would bury the competition :patriot:

[arch_liberal]

89. Sic 'em Fido!!!

Go for it, don't stop, don't make nice!!!

BITE! BITE! BITE!

[arch_liberal]

90. Edwards - Clinton in 08

That is the true American Dream ticket...

[arch_liberal]

91. Then let's see the Senate give her a hard time about healthcare!

[Copperred]

104. Wrong....

Edwards/Clark....

It has to be recognized by all that the Clintons are establishment...they have been establishment since their youth....o so ambititious.

Edwards is the Man, Clark is the General who has so far not played the jester like our good friend Colin.

These two men, if they hold to their intentions, will take the prize.

[1932]

99. Edwards is the only '04 candidate who didn't make any primary mistakes

of the major candidates. Clark should have campaigned in Iowa. Kerry hired bad staff and had to clean house. Dean slipped and said he wanted to be the candidate FOR confederate flag waivers when he meant that he wanted to be the candidate who represented the interests of working class southern white men so that they'd set aside wedge issues like racism.

Edwards was disciplined and seem to know exactly the message he wanted to deliver.

It will be interesting to see how he approaches 2008 when there will certainly be a bigger field of well-funded candidates.

[Copperred]

103. Agreed.

Let it be known... that Edwards, Clark and Dean are despised by the DLC. They are the populist type candidinates that the strategic moles don't want to see lead.

They do not want these three men to control the Democratic party.

The only ticket that is a sure win in '08 is an Edwards/Clark ticket. A Hillary ticket will not garnesh more than 40% of the vote.

Clark as VP will bring MANY of the conservative Republican vote with him.

An Edwards/Clark crusade..... may their compasses be straight.

[TankLV]

109. ANY of our Democratic candidates would be an improvement over the current

repukes - except LIEberman and zellout.

(Oh my GOD! - did I - ME - just say that! - get me a stiff drink or something!)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

111. Bookmarking!

:rofl:

[high density]

110. Gawd, Edwards PR machine makes me puke

Please go away.