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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:47 PM
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Mexico is more antagonistic against foreigners then US
Edited on Sun May-21-06 02:29 PM by Orrin_73
Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs
MEXICO CITY - If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.


Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory.

In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.

Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: "The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, it's usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs."


Mexico Works to Bar Non-Natives From Jobs

Mexican government should be the last to complain about the american nativists histeria.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:50 PM
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1. LOL!
:rofl:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:51 PM
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2. In several travels to Mexico, I found the people there to be
almost invariably polite and welcoming, whether or not money exchanged hands, and in almost all cases curious of others' thoughts and respectful of their backgrounds and circumstances.

One man in a roadside taco patio, seeing that I was from the U.S., asked me if all people in my country were as aggressive as George Bush.

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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:54 PM
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3. Sheeeesh ....
First off: it is 'Hysteria' .... NOT histeria ....

Secondly: As a beacon of the enlightenment, which WE are supposed to promote as Liberals, we assume we should be BETTER than the worst of nations ....

WE do not seek to find the bottom, but rise to the TOP ....

Even as I might agree that our borders need to be more secure, I categorically deny that engaging in the criminalization of being of foreign birth is a liberal notion.

This is right wing apologism ... for shame ....
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:56 PM
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5. English is not my first language!!!!
I was just pointing to an irony.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:09 PM
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13. Don't you love the grammar police?
:sarcasm:
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:55 PM
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4. damn them!
damn them to hell!
I say we call them up and cancel NAFTA
RIGHT NOW!


...please ?
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:59 PM
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6. Imagine that, hypocrites in their government. I wonder what other
countries have hypocrites running their government. :shrug:
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:59 PM
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7. The question I have is: how bad is unemployment in Mexico?
If their policy is to bar non-natives from jobs maybe it is becuase (in the case of high unemployment) there is a wish to protect the Mexican citizens. I don't see anything wrong with this but of course, things can be much more complex than this.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:59 PM
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8. Shhhh...you're not supposed to talk about that. n/t
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 01:59 PM
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9. If you were to RTFA
Edited on Sun May-21-06 02:02 PM by Rufus T. Firefly
It says that non-natives are banned from elected government posts and government jobs. That is neatly excised from the snippet in the post.



In between "Even as Mexico presses the United States..." and "In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those...," 'those' refers to:

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"In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born."

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Then after the second line, this:

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Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."

Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.

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Makes sense in a county where outsiders kept trying to enforce their will on the native citizens.

And saying that Mexico is "more racist" than the US is admitting that the US is, in fact, racist regarding immigration.

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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:03 PM
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11. Mexico's predecessor Spain had these kind of laws
for hundreds of years, to bar maranos (converted jews and muslims) from public office.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:12 PM
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14. Imported Spanish racism. The Spanish truly had a hideous attitude
toward native Mexican citizens which continues to the present.
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:13 PM
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15. Once the Rethugs lose the coming election
Look for them to run on future passage of a Constitutional Amendment banning non-natives from federal office.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:01 PM
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10. It would help to know more about the problem. It takes longer as you've
Edited on Sun May-21-06 02:02 PM by Judi Lynn
got to slow down and find out something about the problem.

They don't have jobs to offer people people coming to Mexico, for a good reason. Here's info. I posted in G.D. on a similar thread:

They don't have enough employment in Mexico for MEXICAN workers, who are being forced to seek work in the States.

A vital point to recognize is that the U.S. subsidized crops, corn and sugar cane, cotton, etc., underwritten at huge cost by the U.S. taxpayers, (as in adding 5 cents to every pound of sugar) have been dumped on the Mexican market, driving the Mexican food producers, the land owners, and farm workers OUT OF BUSINESS in work their families have pursued for generations. They are WITHOUT any means of income, and our own policies did it.

I'll supply some reference to this apparently little-known reality:
~snip~
Then there is the cost of agribusiness to the workers. The life expectancy of a farm worker in California is still not much above fifty years. Subsidized corn floods Mexico, driving peasants from the land and into the United States. At great risk to life and limb and for a large fee, they flee their homelands and sneak into the United States to work the fields.
(snip)
http://www.monthlyreview.org/nftae0804.htm
U.S. Imports Bury Family Farms
TIM WEINER / New York Times 26feb02
MANZANILLO, Mexico -- For many generations, corn has been the sacred center of civilization in Mexico, the place where the grain was first cultivated some 5,000 years ago.

Gods and goddesses of corn filled the dreams and visions of the great civilizations that rose and fell here before the Spaniards came five centuries ago. Today the corn tortilla is consumed at almost every meal. Among the poor, sometimes it is the entire meal.

But the modern world is closing in on the little patch of maize, known as the milpa, that has sustained millions of Mexicans through the centuries. The powerful force of American agribusiness, unleashed in Mexico by the North American Free Trade Agreement, may doom the growing of corn as a way of life for family farmers here, agronomists and economists say.

Lorenzo Rebollo, a 53-year-old dirt farmer, works two and a half acres of corn and beans here on the slopes of the eastern state of Michoacán, in Mexico's central highlands, where corn was first grown as a food crop, archaeologists say. Mr. Rebollo is one of about 3 million Mexicans who farm corn and support roughly 15 million family members.

His grown sons have left for the United States to make a living, and Mr. Rebollo says he may be the last man to farm this patch of earth. It is the same story all over Mexico: thousands of farmers pulling up stakes every year, heading for Mexico City or the United States. Some grew coffee or cut sugar cane. But most grew corn.

Roughly a quarter of the corn in Mexico is now imported from the United States. Men like Mr. Rebollo cannot compete against the mechanized, subsidized giants of American agriculture.

"Corn growing has basically collapsed in Mexico," Carlos Heredia Zubieta, an economist and a member of Mexico's Congress, said in a recent speech to an American audience. "The flood of imports of basic grains has ravaged the countryside, so the corn growers are here instead of working in the fields."
(snip/...)
http://www.mindfully.org/Farm/Corn-Subsidized-Imports26feb02.htm
~snip~
More than a million Mexican farmers lost their land since the passage of
NAFTA and the subsequent dumping of surplus US corn, cotton, wheat and other
crops (according to Via Campesina and the Mexican farmers¹ organizing
committee). The dumping of subsidized corn and cotton into the Mexican
markets drove prices below the cost of production. Small farmers could not
compete and were driven out of business and off the land.
(snip/...)
http://www.organicconsumers.org/clothes/willallen011504.cfm

On edit:

Where you get the "racists" slur, I can't imagine.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:04 PM
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12. read my post 11#
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:14 PM
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16. If the Mexican leadership
wasn't among the sh*ttiest in the world, maybe they wouldn't all have to come here for jobs. They are like next generation neo-cons when they stop pretending that their God-awful policies are helping people get high paying jobs and just sit back and count their money without any regard for how the other 99% are doing. I feel bad for the Mexican people but screw the Mexican government. I hope the Mexican people find some way to throw those bums out because they are not doing a damn thing for that country.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:15 PM
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17. It would be so interesting to know what ...........................
.....leads Vicente Fox to enforce on have one set rules and yet demand the exact opposite rules in a neighboring country. :shrug:
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:26 PM
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20. I'm curious as to what you would have Mr. Fox do?
A better job creation policy, surely.

But do you want the Mexican government to swarm the northern border with soldiers to prevent Mexicans from leaving? What do we say about countries that do things like that?

A common misconception is that the mass of undocumented workers is some sort of evil plot, concocted by the evil Mr. Bush and the evil Mr. Fox. But it's not so simple. Our illegal immigrant "problem" is the result of individual decisions taken by millions of people on both sides of the border. It's not a plot; it's people trying to better their lives.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:22 PM
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18. Wow, what a desperate post.
First, you create your own "racist" headline. Not good.

Then you attempt to make the "racist" thing work by implying that current Mexican immigration policy is somehow related to colonial era anti-Semitism.

Try again.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:25 PM
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19. The headline was put up to fast
by me. I should have thought a more about it. I just wanted to show the irony.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:29 PM
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22. Well, yeah, there is some irony in Mexico's stance.
But what that has to do with US immigration policy is unclear to me. And hypocrisy in government is certainly not a Mexico only phenomenon.

Mexico cares more about its citizens than foreigners. Just like the US. It's not surprising in either case.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:27 PM
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21. You noticed it, too! I found myself staring at the "then" too hard,
and it occurred to me that a headline writer wouldn't spell it that way, THEN it hit me, FINALLY, that it was a bogus headline. Whoa!
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:30 PM
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23. I changed the headline from 'racist' to 'antagonistic'
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 02:32 PM
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24. locking
As per Latest Breaking News posting rules:
When posting articles, always use the published title of the article as the title of the discussion thread. Additional information may be included in a thread title (in parentheses) if it helps to make the title more clear.
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