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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:44 PM
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McCain says New School students need lesson in courtesy
SOUTH PORTLAND, Maine -- Sen. John McCain on Sunday lamented the nation's bitter political climate and suggested that students at the New School in New York take a courtesy lesson from those at Liberty University.

McCain, who appeared at a fundraiser for Republican gubernatorial hopeful David Emery, told reporters he was saddened by the reception he received Friday from hecklers during his commencement speech at the New School. Dozens of faculty members and students had turned their backs and raised signs in protest.

The New School had been roiled in controversy for weeks over the selection of McCain to deliver the commencement address. Some 1,200 students and faculty signed petitions asking the university's president to rescind the invitation. Petitioners said McCain's support for the Iraq war and opposition to gay rights and legal abortion do not keep with the prevailing views on campus.

The Arizona senator said he has spoken at schools throughout the country but never before found himself in a situation in which it became difficult for him to get his message across.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--mccain-emery0521may21,0,3044779.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:45 PM
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1. they should have made fun of his daughter and wife
then he would be licking their asses as he does the Chimp's.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:56 PM
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14. Why is McCains Daughter so ugly?
Because Karen Hughes is her Father.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:03 PM
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18. The Chelsea thing is just one reason I can't stand McCain.
But it's a big one. What kind of jerk makes fun of a little girl's looks?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:08 PM
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21. Is this the other?
Edited on Sun May-21-06 08:10 PM by bahrbearian
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:19 PM
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24. that hug pic is just so SICK!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:47 PM
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96. I'll give him Courtesy
He can Please go FUCK HIMSELF
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smtpgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 02:59 PM
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115. Now that is what is known as the pot calling the kettle black
He was just as rude to Ms. Rohe. I guess Ms. Rohe was supposed to lick McCain's ass.

She only stated the truth, this was an opportunity to address the graduates about what will lie ahead in life, not an opportunity for a stump speech for the next election.

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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:56 AM
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69. That's another.
But not THE other. I'm sure I could name at least (Keating) five.

The Chelsea comment just tells what kind of person he is.

I also think "I hate gooks" (- John McCain) is not a proper start to restoring our good name in the world community. Racist comments do not make for good foreign relations.

But far be it from me to judge. It's his business that he cheated on his first wife with his second wife.

Oh, and he's mean. The Obama letter is just one example of that.

I think that's five. Gotta run to work.



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station agent Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:54 PM
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89. Bingo!
McCain needs lesson in how not to support war profiteers.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:14 AM
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60. I'm out of the loop on that one.
Did McCain say something nasty about Chelsea at some point? We don't always get news about stuff like that in the UK. What did he say?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:57 AM
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66. He told the joke of
Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly.....because Janet Reno is her father.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:42 AM
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70. I didn't know that.
What a disgusting thing to say. I wonder if he thought about that at all when the Bush team started the ugly rumors about his own daughter.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:43 AM
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71. I didn't know he said that!
Aside from that remark being TOTALLY beyond the pale has that ugly F--- looked at HIMSELF in the mirror lately? He's like some bloated evil albino IMO
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:08 PM
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81. McCain did that, too? I knew limbaugh did.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 01:39 PM
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99. I thought Rush made the "White House dog" remark
Right after the Clintons moved into the White House, he showed a photo of Chelsea and said something to the effect that "this is the new White House dog." :eyes:

What's with Republicans and their need to belittle political opponents like school-yard bullies?
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:40 AM
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110. Yes, that was rush. I will kick his ass if I ever see him.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 03:03 PM
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116. I'll join you. There's plenty of ass there to kick. (eom)
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:51 PM
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97. So, the model student is one attending Liberty University.
Guaranteed to not be a thinking individual but a robot that will not dissent against anything. One the Storm Troopers would have loved. A brainwashed, ditto head, with little real knowledge of tenants of Chrisitianity...only those fed to them by the likes of Jerry Falwell, who is almost the very image that Jesus Christ stood against.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:36 AM
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109. Liberty University BushBots did NOT have their "FIVE Minutes of Hate"
Scheduled for that day.

But whoa! It's a sight to see. :P
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:42 PM
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87. burn!!!
That was a good one.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:45 PM
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2. Well, despite being right for once, he's not going to get my vote.
It was bad enough when I was in high school; I graduated over 15 years ago...
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:32 PM
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33. I agree with you
A lot of people who think their behavior was appropriate would be mad if they had done it to Conyers or Sen Feingold.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:25 AM
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77. Actually, I wouldn't
But I also wish that schools would get away from using national political figures for their commencements. Local pols might be ok, so long as they stay away from politics and aren't currently up for re-election. Personally, I chose to entirely forego my graduation because of an extremely controversial right wing jackass who'd been chosen, and I'd do that again. It wasn't even good enough for me to think that I could protest in some fashion to bear sitting through his speech.

Though the best bet would be to return to a time in which a *gasp* student gave the commencement address to her/his peers. Imagine that.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:45 PM
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3. Senator McCain better hold on to his hat because I suspect whereas
he's never had a reception like this before, I think that there just may be a few more to come in his future.
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:08 PM
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104. I just said this down below!!
We are just getting warmed up if Mr. Torture Loving, No Habeas Corpus, Warmongering McCain runs for President.

And he has a hot temper, and I think he is unbalanced. We will drive him absolutely to the edge by not giving the good Senator the respect that he thinks he so richly deserves.

Can't wait, will be fun. I got upstate NY, from Albany to Canada, covered.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 12:10 PM
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113. McCain the rest of bunch should offer honesty in gov for courtesy/respect
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:46 PM
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4. Well John
You could use a lesson in not starting illegal wars, backing the illegal spying on millions of Americans, and oh about a million other things. So you got booed for all of your crimes? Waaahhhh! Grow up you fucking crybaby.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:47 PM
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5. New School is a real university
Liberty "University" is an indoctrination center. New School students won't be taking any lessons from Liberty disciples--behavioral, academic, or otherwise.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:48 PM
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6. Courtesy went out with PC.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:19 PM
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83. Ramen to that Bro!!
:toast:
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:48 PM
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7. Cowboy up, Johnny
That's what happens when young people have someone they don't want around shoved down their throats - they say something about it. I hope the lesson sticks with them.
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Agony Donating Member (865 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:49 PM
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8. There is nothing courteous about the war in Iraq.
Nuf said... get used to it Mr McCain.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:51 PM
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9. McCain could use a lesson in civics!
That part right there ... there in the oath of office, I believe.. about ..what was that again?

Oh yes...

Protecting and defending the Constitution.. yeah, that's it. When he stops being a craven panderer, he can expect a more "polite" response.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:51 PM
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10. He is the only one who needs a lesson.
I hope you get the nomination and lose in humiliating defeat at the hands of Al Gore. That will teach you a lesson. Then you will learn what happens when a man sells his soul.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:52 PM
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11. As much as I disagree with McCain's positions I'm glad it wasn't
my graduation ruined like that.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:58 PM
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16. How would that be "ruined"? It would have made mine (1968)
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:04 PM
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19. I would have been proud if it had been my graduation. Ruined? Hell, no!
It would be something to look back on with pride, that my friends and I cared enough about the fate of the country that we spoke up and made our thoughts known. There's been way too much of "Sssh, this is not the time or place to speak" going on in this country for the last 5 years.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:08 PM
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47. Ruined? Not for me? I'd be proud of my graduating class.
You honestly think that if Al Gore was slated to speak at an uber conservative college that he'd be treated better? No. Not in the least.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:54 AM
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68. I guess
I was a 'ruiner' in 1971 when about 1/4 of us stood up and started singing Give Peace a Chance during the commencement speech.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:52 PM
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12. That's called freedom of speach
You would do well to study some of these quaint American customs before YOUR party outlaws all of them.
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bluefish Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:53 PM
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13. It is called freedom of expression
And, the students were well in their rights to protest.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 07:58 PM
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15. So now McCain, the perfect R suckass,
is on record as being against free speech.

Yeah, you got a future as President, you nasty old man.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:01 PM
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17. When he saw how many didn't want him there
he should have asked the school to replace him. He ruined their commencement, not the other way around.

Selfish bastard. One of the most important days of these kids lives, and he had to spoil it.

I'd be pissed if it was my kid graduating and some RW asshole spoke at her commencement.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:30 PM
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29. Bob Kerrey was a jerk for setting it up
He was quoted sometime around 2002 in New York magazine, saying that while Nebraska thought he was too liberal, but the kids at the New School thought he was a right wing nut case. I think that overstated it, but it's enough for him to quess that they would not want him there. (From the description of a young relative who was there in Nov,2004, the students were choosing between Kerry (vast majority), fringe candidates, and not voting.)
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. truly why would anyone think mccain is some moderate
who should be accepted just anywhere?

hello? liberty university?
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:47 AM
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54. Maybe they should have held a counter graduation....
...with a speaker of their choice.

Fact is, McCain was making the event something other than a graduation. It was a political event with the wrong audience. Jane let him know the graduates wanted ownership of their event; it was their celebration -- not McCain's cue to pimp for votes. I see no reason why everyone should have sat there like obedient sheep, taking whatever was dished out by the powers that be, particularly after they'd made their strong feelings known far in advance that this was not the way they wanted to cap off their college careers.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:57 AM
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73. Except it was a set up
McCain wanted exactly the reaction he got. Dkos has a diary with his Chief of Staff's letter to Jean. (Heavy on the he was a POW, character etc - lots of false outrage) McCain is proclaiming himself the victim. The New School kids were bullies.

Now anyone who knows anything about New School knows that McCain fits there as well as Howard Dean might fit at BYU - where he would never be invited. What I really don't understand is why Kerrey invited him - Kerrey knows they think he is too right wing, and McCain is far to his right.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:19 PM
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82. My thoughts exactly
Why do university presidents think it's alright to invite commencement speakers whom they know will only offend their students? George Washington University just did the same thing this year: the university's right-wing corporatist president decided to turn commencement into a forum, not for honoring the overwhelmingly liberal graduating students, but for spitting in their faces by marching out Bush Sr and Babs and giving them honorary degrees and a captive audience for their right-wing bilge. What a great message to send to graduates: study, work hard, do well, and, when you're ready to graduate, we'll acknowledge your effort by giving away for free degrees you actually worked for to sleazeballs and then letting them patronize you with right-wing propaganda. Nice touch.

I'll grant, the New School's manners left something to be desired, but wtf is wrong with their president who considered it appropriate to unilaterally foist off on the school's graduating class a keynote speaker he knew was reprehensible to them? He plainly is wishing to insult them and he therefore deserves to be insulted back by them. It's a little sad that McCain was the bystander caught in the middle, as the one who really ought to be strung up from his testicles by piano wire is the arrogant university president who showed so little respect for the graduates.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 03:32 PM
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119. From what I've heard from a student I know well
He has been at odds with the students over many things. It didn't help that the stories on his VN actions came out right as he became President. The students also greatly resented pro-Iraq war comments he made where he identified himself as the school President. Arrogant was a word she used.I don't think McCain was innocent - he wanted to be heckled. What I don't understand is why Kerrey couldn't have found a speaker more in line with the university.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 08:44 AM
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72. Amen and amen!
He ruined their commencement, not the other way around.

Exactly so!

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:05 PM
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20. Hey John : try not to be a warmongering asshole on college campuses.
He must have missed that tip while detained in Hanoi. Now he knows.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:12 PM
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22. McCain is just another arrogant commencement speaker.
They are exploiting a captive audience. Why did he go? He should know without prompting that he is not a match for the New School. He showed bad judgment in accepting the invitation. I hope this squelches his delusions about being accepted by both sides as a centrist candidate.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 10:23 AM
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79. Why? Because he can't be seen just preaching to the choir.
He has to be successful in diverse audiences in order to have credibility. People are not going to buy this hand-picked audience bullshit any more.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 12:13 PM
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114. i'll have to see that to believe it first
i hope you are right, but i don't have much faith. i tend to agree with the poster above who saw it as a set-up to establish his anit-lefty bona fides.

like clinton's sister souljah speech, or hillary's 'old fashioned thoughts'.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:19 PM
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23. Lessons in indoctrination is what he really means
He knows that sucking up to Falwell was profoundly wrong, but he will do anything it takes to be the repuke nominee.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:22 PM
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25. Why do universities get politicans to deliver commencement speeches?
Bush Sr. spoke at mine. ruined my graduation. the fucker. and fuck the fucking university, who sold out half the arena to the Republican party while my parents had to watch in another auditorium on CCTV.

They will never get another penny from me.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:32 PM
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32. Parents of students didn't get to see it so the GOP could
That is sick.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:39 PM
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36. He was up for reelection & he gave a freaking campaign speech.
thank god for Clinton!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:46 PM
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38. That stinks
Not only did you get a lousy speech - but your parents couldn't even see you get your diploma - what a lack of priorities. I would write this story on every solitation you get hoping someone at least sees it.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:32 AM
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78. I see your Bush I and raise you one KEN STARR
Edited on Mon May-22-06 09:34 AM by lastliberalintexas
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the never controversial and of course universally beloved Ken Starr spoke at my graduation. I'm sure no one would have a problem with such a nonpartisan as he, right? :eyes:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:03 PM
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90. Texas, eh? May have been the same school
SMU?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 03:18 PM
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117. Are you serious??? The Grand Inquisitor??? I would have had a Grand Mal
seizure if that twisted f**k spoke at my graduation!

Unreal! How did you bear it? Heavy medication?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:24 PM
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26. Bite Me, McCain!
Gee, I think maybe the message is starting to penetrate the media fog.

We don't like you, John.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:28 PM
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Go fuck yourself McCain.n/t
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:28 PM
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27. Go fuck yourself McCain.n/t
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:28 PM
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28. Maybe they don't like what you're selling, John.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:30 PM
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30. Yeah but the students feel better for it
so any repug should accept that and let it go, if it works for uncle dickie ... :shrug:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:30 PM
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31. Just watched a wee bit of his speech
on CBS Nightly News.

I adored the look on his face when the booing and the turning of backs began after he said he supported *'s war, before and now.

He looked shocked and confused. lol

Kudos to the students and faculty that let him know they were not pleased w/him!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:32 PM
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34. Waaaah, John McCain was upset ...
What a whiner he's become. :puke:
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princehal Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 08:43 PM
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37. When Hillary
gets a good reception at Liberty, or a gay man, McCain might have a point. Giving Falwell a blow job and swallowing in front of his student body, McCain has sold his soul to Satan.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:11 PM
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39. Let McCain keep hopping into bed with Falwell and
hugging Dubya. I hope they make him the Dean of friggin' "Liberty" University (a Falwell indoctrination center.) The American people need to see EXACTLY where McCain stands on the whoredom spectrum of, "I'll do anything for a vote".
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:19 PM
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40. McCain needs to be attacked
relentlessly for his support of GWB by Democrats if she should get the nomination. Its essentially the Karl Rove tactic of attacking your opponents greatest strength (ie. Kerry's military service) that when you are done any mention of it actually hurts the candidate rather than help. So in McCain's case, his maverick, moderate "appearance" needs to be completely trashed.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:24 PM
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41. What's courteous about bombing innocent people without provocation?
What's courteous about denying rights to a segment of society that isn't hurting anybody?

What's courteous about controlling women's bodies?

I suggest if Mr McCain wants to receive courtesy, members of his party need to start employing it themselves.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:25 PM
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42. Miscellaneous midget.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:30 PM
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43. Hmm...crazy fundie "university" vs. very liberal accredited University
And he's surprised? New School is one of the most liberal colleges in the country. The university president was a delusional asshat for thinking they'd want McCain speaking at their graduation.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:17 AM
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75. "The New School is a legendary, progressive university...
...comprising eight schools bound by a common, unusual intent: to prepare and inspire its 9,300 undergraduate and graduate students to bring actual, positive change to the world. From its Greenwich Village campus, The New School launches economists and actors, fashion designers and urban planners, dancers and anthropologists, orchestra conductors, filmmakers, political scientists, organizational experts, jazz musicians, scholars, psychologists, historians, journalists, and above all, world citizens-individuals whose ideas and innovations forge new paths of progress in the arts, design, humanities, public policy, and the social sciences.

www.newschool.edu/about.html

Liberty University is a Christian academic community in the tradition of evangelical institutions of higher education. As such, Liberty continues the philosophy of education which first gave rise to the university, summarized in the following propositions.

God, the infinite source of all things, has shown us truth through scripture, nature, history, and, above all, in Christ.


www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=6899

Many schools with religious "roots" can supply fine educations. But not Liberty. For example--one of the Biology teachers has written texts featuring "Intelligent Design."
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:40 PM
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44. Our country is so fouled up...
...that people need to take any opportunity they have to tell those in power how badly they're screwing up the entire world. If he wants people to be nicey-nice with him, he needs to either stop supporting that pointless war in Iraq, or pre-screen his audiences like that coward Dubya does.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 09:55 PM
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45. "Bomb the shit out of them" Mc Cain wants to talk about "courtesy"? nt
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 10:07 PM
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46. John needs a lesson in INTEGRITY. What does he expect??
He kisses ass on Bush now, kisses ass with the politico-christo-game-show-hosts-who-run-churches, what does he expect? Did he expect them to throw flowers at his feet for supporting a war that is illegal?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:14 PM
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50. Amen.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:02 PM
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48. A very selfish man- It was THEIR day after 4 years of effort
the world doesn't revolve around him. He could have put away his notes and given them a speech of encouragement. More interested in his old ass kissing self than he was in the students.
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mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:06 PM
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49. Mr. McCain:
1.You serve at our pleasure. You report to us. You are our public servant. We are your employers. As such, it's simply not your position to question the courtesy of those at whose pleasure you serve.

2. It is grossly impolite to kill tens of thousands of people. Far worse than anything you experienced either in your life time in Vietnam or at the New School.

Get over yourself.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-21-06 11:46 PM
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51. You and your party are destroying America, and you expect them
to throw flowers? Dude, like all republicans, you really don't get it.

The kids are alright, John, they just hate fascists, like any other decent American hates fascists.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:19 AM
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52. Yeah, the Tories said that about the Sons of Liberty, too.
Is that too obscure? I hope not.

See, John, we as Americans hold certain truths to be self-evident, like, that we all have certain rights that you just can't alienate us from, and some of those rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. When in the course of human events some dictator starts alienating us from our rights we sort of feel like we have the right to tell that dictator or any of his henchman that we really don't agree with him. Usually it's a him. So when you deprive hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis of their right to life or liberty, or when you tell good people they can't even marry who they want, they just aren't going to listen to what you want anymore. They are going to tell you what they think, and if you don't listen when they say it nicely they are going to be a bit more insistent. They may even make your life a little less pleasant, and might even speak outside of your free speech zones. It's like a great American once said: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Oh yeah, and get used to not being president. You're going to not be president a lot in the future.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:23 AM
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53. McCain should have had the good sense
if not common courtesy- to make the choice not to appear where he obviously wasn't wanted.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 01:03 AM
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55. translation:
"be good germans"
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 01:11 AM
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56. Sherrrr. That's like being bat shit crazy mad
Edited on Mon May-22-06 01:43 AM by cboy4
at the scene of an accident after blowing a red light and totaling somebody's car because you weren't paying attention!!! :eyes:

edit: crappy grammar
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 01:25 AM
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57. McCain needs to take a lesson from the students.
Not the other way around!

If McCain had any worth as a person he'd resign his seat and spend the rest of his days trying to make up for all of the horrible decisions and damage he's been complicit in.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 02:45 AM
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58. Is torture 'courteous'? He supports this war, has he read what we
are learning about the 'courtesy' of the US in Iraq? He, of all people, should be appalled at the pictures from that war, the news that men, women and children are being tortured there.


We used to be able to afford to be polite. He and his party (and the Dems who supported them) have made it necessary to tell the truth. It's ludicrous to even use the word courtesy when pictures of the bloodshed, the dead babies, the torture are in you mind. Those students did exactly the right thing. Maybe he's noticed, more and more people are letting them know to their faces how hated they are, because of the evil they have wrought on innocent people.

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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 03:00 AM
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59. Maybe McCain needs a lesson in the First Amendment
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:02 AM
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61. Why are you afraid of freedom Senator McCain?
Edited on Mon May-22-06 04:03 AM by socialdemocrat1981
The fredom to dissent and the freedom to protest? Isn't that the line that Condi and her neo-con minions always trot out whenever they are asked about anti-war protests -you know "we're fighting in Iraq so that people may have the freedom to dissent like you have the right to do over here"? Yet it's always the very same people who get the most offended when they encounter real life dissent and protest



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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:10 AM
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62. Courtesy? Courtesy? Your people started this
How courteous was it when your girlfriend, Mann Coulter said all liberals hate America?

How courteous is it when Republicans repeatedly call all Democrats Communists?

How courteous is it for your religious wingnuts to picket military funerals with their "I hate gays" bullshit?

How courteous is it to call women who get LEGAL abortions murderers?

How courteous was it for Momma Bush to say the Katrina victims living in a fucking stadium in Houston "never had it so good"?

How courteous was it to wrongly impugn John Kerry's Vietnam record while you covered up Bush's non-participation in his National Guard service?

Sorry, Johnny, but I don't think any liberals need lessons in courtesy from hypocritical right wing assholes.
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columbusdem Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 04:15 AM
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63. Dean, McCain, it's all the same
Why should he be so shocked? "Liberal" Howard Dean pissed off gay rights activists with his statements on (and even going on in the first place) the 700 club and "Mr. Straight Talk" got a similar deserved response for hanging out with Jerry Falwell at Liberty. Why politicians would want to hang out with him and Robertson when they blamed 9/11 on gays and feminists is beyond me.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:19 AM
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64. Wow, that is such a predictable comment from the Stepford Senator
that is something Bush et al would say, isn't it?

guess you can be a maverick, so long as you are not discourteous.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 05:30 AM
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65. Don't expect any apologies soon, Mr. Political Whore.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 06:02 AM
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67. If Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, John Murtha, or John Kerry went to Liberty,
do you think the reception would be courteous? McCain has to realize he is now one of them, he is no longer a "maverick." If a Democrat went to Liberty, I suspect the reception would be chilly.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:01 AM
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74. McCain needs a lesson in democracy. n/t
:eyes:
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:49 PM
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88. McCain needs not to be a Bush toadie, Question the answers Mr. McCain!!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 09:17 AM
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76. I'm proud of you new shcoolers!...my KUDOS to you all
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 11:48 AM
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80. Does he mean like the "courtesy" lessons Repugs have shown Dem Reps
over the last few year...exlcuing them, locking them out of meetings, turning off their mikes WHEN they're speaking & scorningly walkikng from room in their mid-sentence (as Sensenbrenner did a few months ago)?

Kids learn "manners" their parents teach. Perhaps this is no more evident than at Duke right now?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:28 PM
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84. They should be more like the Young Republican who kicked the female
protester at the Republican Presidential convention, as she lay on the floor, having been thrown down there by three secret service agents. The protesters were arrested, this @$$hole was not.



Yeah, Republicans really are the epitomy of decency, aren't they?
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:36 PM
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85. Of course Liberty is more courteous...they're BRAINWASHED into dullness nt
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:59 PM
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98. PREPPY IDIOTS


Preppy" fashions are hot on the back-to-school retail scene. V-neck sweaters are nudging out midriff-baring tops. Miniskirts are not so mini and are replete with pleats. Tweed blazers are vying with hoodies.

"It's catching on fairly quickly because it's so mix-and-match. This look is very customizable and appeals to all different types of teenagers," says Michael Wood, vice president at market research firm Teenage Research Unlimited.

Take Lauren Jones, 16, a high school junior in Cincinnati. She's into Ralph Lauren and other polo shirts over jeans with a ribbon belt. The new fashions are boosting back-to-school sales, which the National Retail Federation forecasts will reach $14.8 billion, up from $14.1 billion last year.

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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-22-06 12:38 PM
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86. So do a lot of Senators, John.
And perhaps some study of Constitutional responsiblities are in order. Civics 101 of teens and senators.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:15 PM
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91. Gosh- what a "maverick." n/t
n/t
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:16 PM
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92. John needs a few lessons himself
in how not to be a pandering bushbot asswipe.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:23 PM
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93. I hope the next audience peppers the son of a bitch with raw
sewerage.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:29 PM
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94. Hands full of smelly Cow pies
Sending the Ass-Clown Scurrying for cover
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 12:43 PM
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95. Apparently, the Liberty people are too dumb and docile
Edited on Tue May-23-06 12:45 PM by The_Casual_Observer
to express outrage and the bullshit McCain offers up. It's a pity.
All of those assholes are beginning to see what 30% approval means when they actually go out in public.
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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 02:24 PM
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100. Whatever else you may think about
McCain, he was horrifically physically tortured for years on end. Hearing him speak with a little civility would not have hurt anyone. After his speech was over protests were fine and appropriate but not during his speech.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 06:28 AM
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108. And the fact that he was tortured 35 years ago
Edited on Wed May-24-06 06:29 AM by Puglover
gives him a free pass during his "stump speech" how? Your logic is fine for a tea party but in case you haven't noticed he is supporting his ass monkeys illegal war. Fuck civility.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 02:35 PM
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101. No, Mr McCain, YOU need a lesson in personal integrity
you're a sellout to the fascist RW faction for your personal ambition..no concern for the welfare of the country.. strait talk express has been reduced to spin talk sludge. You lost me when you threw your unwavering support to Bush in 04 in exchange for a chance at Republican anointment for the Repuke nomination in 08. You have no integrity sir.
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Simeon Salus Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 02:42 PM
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102. Poor little admiral's son feels bad. Not used to independent thinkers...
"Whaaaa! The New School children were mean to me!

I'm not used to anyone actually disagreeing about anything I say...

The US Senate is so collegial and absent of disrespect.

Guess I better have one of my professional aides call a 21 year-old college student an idiot in a public forum."

Hope it plays well in Dullsville where all the children act compliant cattle and NEVER, EVER do anything bigotted or intolerant..
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:04 PM
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103. Haha!! Dear John McCain - Get used to it!!
Because if you run for President, Mr. Warmonger, we will be out there protesting you and heckling you every step of the way. And as for this comment: "...suggested that students at the New School in New York take a courtesy lesson from those at Liberty University," those good little automans at Liberty University, a very strict Christian school, are taught to NOT think, NOT question, accept your fascist state. Only those schools which teach their kids to THINK, question and speak up would create a student smart enough and ballsy enough to take on your Warmongering, Fascist, Allowing-Torture, empty soul.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:25 PM
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105. Well they have such good role models.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:37 PM
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106. Hey John McCain...shut the fuck up already!
You're a POS senator and NO ONE likes you! We all watched Bush jiz on your face in the 2004 elections. Why must you continue to suck? Why!?!?!
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winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 09:34 PM
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107. since when does a douche bag two faced liar deserve
respect?
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:42 AM
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111. McCain...You need a lesson in humanity.
Once you regain your humanity and respect for human life...then AND ONLY then can you begin to address other issues.

Until then... STFU you traitor.
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Bad Santa Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 11:58 AM
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112. Liberty students spit on me for playing Dungeons and Dragons
I grew up in VA in the '70. I was a real gamer geek and started playing Dungeons and Dragons shortly after the hardback books started coming out.

I was also one of the very first people Falwell sent kids from his Lynchburg cult compound down to Richmond to annoy. Liberty University was then called Liberty Baptist College. So these kids drive drown from Lynchburg to protest the game store I regularly went to. These freaks lined up on the sidewalk outside the store screaming bug-eyed rants about Dungeons and Dragons playing was a form of Satanic worship and we conducting Satanic Rituals. Initially, it was kinda funny. It was so bizarre a charge that it was hard not to laugh. Then some of the nuts started spitting on people entering the game store as they were ranting that we were doomed to Hell. That's when it stopped being funny.

Liberty Univesity and Bob Jones University are cult compounds by every definition by which cults are definied. McCain using Liberty University and Bob Jones University as an example of students acting couteously is like complimenting the Moonies ability to plan big weddings.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 03:28 PM
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118. Courtesy like calling Asians "gooks"? That McCain kind of "courtesy"? -nt
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