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allemand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:14 PM
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U-turn by White House as it blocks direct talks with Iran
· Hardening of Bush policy rebuffs Tehran's approach
· Move appears to surprise US ambassador to Iraq

Julian Borger in Washington and Ewen MacAskill
Thursday May 25, 2006
The Guardian

The White House yesterday ruled out previously authorised direct talks between Tehran and the US ambassador in Baghdad, which were to have focused on the situation in Iraq. The move marks a hardening of the Bush administration's position, despite pressure from the international community to enter into direct dialogue with Iran.

A White House official said that although the US envoy had originally been granted a mandate for talks with Iran, "we have decided not to pursue it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1782388,00.html
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:17 PM
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1. War as a last resort
unless we don't pursue diplomacy, then it is the only option.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:32 PM
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5. Diplomacy is not in bush's vocabulary
Didn't bush get word in 2002 that Saddam wanted to communicate with the U.S. govt. and was ignored. Bush had to throw out U.N. inspectors to get on with his unilateral, pre-emptive war on that country.

So many knowledgeable people don't think bush would be so stupid as to start bombing Iran. I wouldn't put money on it. Bush is beating war drums and making news that is a distraction from this main event, Iran.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:54 PM
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13. With Bush, war is his first resort
Like poppy, he won't take yes for an answer.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:17 PM
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2. call it what is is--flipping and flopping. Dangerous to say the least.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:49 PM
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9. From day to day, no less.
These asses are directionless and walking on marbles.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:18 PM
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3. But these talks could be the last peaceful answer left on the table
Everything else includes sanctions or military force.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:24 PM
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4. This is really bad, how is the rest of the world going to fell , it look
like we are trying for World War 3..How they must hate us..
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:33 PM
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6. Liars can't talk except through press conferences
They know from the letter that the guy wants to have a
reality - meeting discussion, where truth is proven, questioned
and established using the old principals of evidence and goodwill
long forgotten by american television and the bush shrivelled cowards.

No, cowards rather threaten bombs, 'cuz god said so, the mullahs in washington
are far more dangerous than elsewhere... voices they keep hearing, echoing from
rupert murdoch's godly cloud... would that the real God help us all and demote
the his fallen angel.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:48 PM
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7. This war is already penciled in on the calendar
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 08:49 PM
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8. USA nuked Japan, TWICE - while Japan was trying to SURRENDER
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USA now has "bigger and better" toys of mass destruction

Iraq was it's biggest test on delivery, targeting and damage effectiveness

And you can bet your butt that the USA has even deadlier weapons since they initiated it's invasion of Iraq as it's own "live" practice run on global domination

So I am not surprised that the USA is saying

We don't wanna TALK to you (Iran or anyone else they get pissed at)

We wanna BOMB you

And we're gonna

As soon as we figure how to make sure the whole World won't turn on us

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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 09:02 PM
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10. Acutally they were preparing for an assult on the beaches
before the nukes were dropped. Hirohito was pushing every citizen to attack American GIs in every way possible.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:54 PM
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12. I call bullshit. Please cite some -any- references.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 02:21 AM
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18. Well I guess I did too sort of, read my post #17
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WITH a source

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 02:17 AM
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17. There are differing versions of all this - but try reading the following
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A UNITED NATIONS PROJECT

n May of 1945, the architects of postwar strategy, or, as they liked to call themselves, the "Masters of the Universe", gathered in San Francisco at the plush Palace Hotel to write the Charter for the United Nations. Several of the principals retired for a private meeting in the exclusive Garden Room. The head of the United States delegation had called this secret meeting with his top aide, Alger Hiss, representing the president of the United States and the Soviet KGB; John Foster Dulles, of the Wall Street law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell, whose mentor, William Nelson Cromwell, had been called a "professional revolutionary" on the floor of Congress; and W. Averill Harriman, plenipotentiary extraordinary, who had spent the last two years in Moscow directing Stalin's war for survival. These four men represented the awesome power of the American Republic in world affairs, yet of the four, only Secretary of State Edward Stettinius Jr., had a position authorized by the Constitution. Stettinius called the meeting to order to discuss an urgent matter; the Japanese were already privately suing for peace, which presented a grave crisis. The atomic bomb would not be ready for several more months. "We have already lost Germany," Stettinius said. "If Japan bows out, we will not have a live population on which to test the bomb."

"But, Mr. Secretary," said Alger Hiss, "no one can ignore the terrible power of this weapon." "Nevertheless," said Stettinius, "our entire postwar program depends on terrifying the world with the atomic bomb." "To accomplish that goal," said John Foster Dulles, "you will need a very good tally. I should say a million." "Yes," replied Stettinius, "we are hoping for a million tally in Japan. But if they surrender, we won't have anything." "Then you have to keep them in the war until the bomb is ready," said John Foster Dulles. "That is no problem. Unconditional surrender." "They won't agree to that," said Stettinius. "They are sworn to protect the Emperor." "Exactly," said John Foster Dulles. "Keep Japan in the war another three months, and we can use the bomb on their cities; we will end this war with the naked fear of all the peoples of the world, who will then bow to our will."

/snip/

There was another Japan, and MacArthur was one of the few Americans who suspected its existence. He kept urging the Pentagon and the State Department to be alert for conciliatory gestures. The General predicted that the break would come from Tokyo, not the Japanese army. The General was right. A dovish coalition was forming in the Japanese capital, and it was headed by Hirohito himself, who had concluded in the spring of 1945 that a negotiated peace was the only way to end his nation's agony. Beginning in early May, a six-man council of Japanese diplomats explored ways to accommodate the Allies. The delegates informed top military officials that "our resistance is finished"

/snip/

On August 6, 1945, a uranium bomb 3-235, 20 kilotons yield, was exploded 1850 feet in the air above Hiroshima, for maximum explosive effect. It devastated four square miles, and killed 140,000 of the 255,000 inhabitants. In Hiroshima's Shadows, we find a statement by a doctor who treated some of the victims; p.415, Dr. Shuntaro Hida: "It was strange to us that Hiroshima had never been bombed, despite the fact that B-29 bombers flew over the city every day. Only after the war did I come to know that Hiroshima, according to American archives, had been kept untouched in order to preserve it as a target for the use of nuclear weapons. Perhaps, if the American administration and its military authorities had paid sufficient regard to the terrible nature of the fiery demon which mankind had discovered and yet knew so little about its consequences, the American authorities might never have used such a weapon against the 750,000 Japanese who ultimately became its victims."

http://www.whale.to/b/mullins8.html#A_UNITED_NATIONS_PROJECT_

much MUCH more at the link

and more disturbing than I had previously known before I RE-Googled

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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:40 PM
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11. Whatever happened to the EU three-country effort?
That's the one we should be backing.

Peace.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-24-06 10:59 PM
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14. we've seen this before. "war as a first resort" is bushco's style. they
Edited on Wed May-24-06 11:02 PM by truthisfreedom
want their death and they want it now.

my prediction: they invade (attack) on june 6 to have it co-incide with d-day, the invasion of Normandy, 1944.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:03 AM
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15. on 6/6/06 ?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:10 AM
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20. it's their fetish, not mine. remember, 9-11-01 was the 60th anniversary
of the groundbreaking of the pentagon and FDR's famous speech about pre-emptively striking nazi submarines.

type september 11 1941 into google.
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JetCityLiberal Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 01:04 AM
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16. Big surprise
not...
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 05:47 AM
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19. Analysis: Sino-Russian ties gaining momentum
This UPI article re-emphasizes the chessboard movement.

Put your head down between your legs....

http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20060519-111443-5805r
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