Cops busting heads in Miami right now

[Mika]

No link. Its on local TV

Black Blockers trying to rip down fence. Cops getting rougher and rougher.

[Mika]

1. Cops beat back the Blockers

Miami PD is taking no shit. Punching out people (in the face) in the front of the shoving match. Real ugly.

[Socialist Christian]

4. they are the most corrupt force in america, punch protesters let smugglers

go free

[saigon68]

12. The Police usually recieve cash renumerations to look away

Its a tactic as old as history.

It is the history of the drug war. Certain activities are protected and encouraged by the authorities.

In half of South America, it is hard to tell who is tied to the government and who is tied to the narcotics business.

[Say_What]

66. Steelworkers allow non-union members to join march calling for supporters

11-20-2003 11:22: steelworkers allow non-union members to join march
the steelworkers are calling out for supporters of their march, but are asking that noone bring drums.

11-20-2003 11:22: Steelworkers Showing Up
Union members started to show up. Steelworkers are at the amphitheatre. Protestors at the fence slowly being pushed back to the amphitheatre. Concussion grenades going off, pepprespray fired. People are rallying witht he labor unions. All directions are moving towards the amphitheatre.

11-20-2003 11:18: steelworkers declare solidarity with Direct Action
while the direct action folks are still being held by police, the workers have been allowed to peacefully assemble. steelworker organizers have declared their solidarity with those involved in direct action and say that they will continue to march even if police attempt to halt their actions.

11-20-2003 11:12: Un-Arrest / no-arresto
One individual was singled out because he called out an undercover. This person was successfully un-arrested.
Un individual fue selleccionado para ser arrestado porque expuso a un encubierto. Esta persona fue exitosamente desarrestada.

[La_Serpiente]

2. Geezus

I knew they were bad, but I didn't know they were THAT bad

[Mika]

3. Blockers back off

A retreat and cool. Temporary.

Just testing the cops defenses on the front line. Cops regrouping and reenforcing.

[Say_What]

6. Mika, please keep us posted if you can...

$8.5 million went to Miami for *security*. The cops are enforcing a POLITICAL AGENDA for the Bush dictatorship.

[DoctorMyEyes]

5. I don't know what channel you're watching

but from what I just saw on MSNBC the cops were provoking violence.

I watched cops beating people on their backs and the backs of their legs - even a few punching protesters in the head as they walked by!

[Mika]

7. I'm surfing local Miami TV

I saw the cops seriously over reacting too. Face punching, battons, kicking etc.

I saw one young person fall down and another reach to help him/her get up, both only to be beaten by MPD.

Sick.

And I'm mad as hell seeing kids getting beaten like this.

[DoctorMyEyes]

14. I can't find anything on the cable networks now

but what I saw earlier just made me sick...

No one that I saw was fighting back or even resisting - just being clubbed and punched. :cry:

[Beaker]

16. A message is being sent-

DON'T PROTEST.

"Now is the time for all good men to get the hell out of this fascist shithole of a country."

[0007]

59. Why leave? Let's fight for our country and our rights...

good men will not leave.

[lostnfound]

108. Hopefully people are taping Miami TV to share on the net.. ? n/t

[PaDUer]

8. MSNBC

has been showing clips of it..Also showed the police in action..am concerned that some protestors will get hurt and the cops will get away w/ it as they've been doing since the resident took over.

[Beaker]

20. "Police and some of the more violent protesters beginning to clash..."

is the anchor's voiceover, as the picture shows cops beating on people that are just trying to move away, or are just standing there doing nothing...hardly "violent protesters".
It's another taste of things to come in the new world order.

[DoctorMyEyes]

22. You're not supposed to believe your lying eyes!

I just saw that! I couldn't believe they were calling the protesters violent!

Earlier they were saying the protest was "peaceful" while showing the cops beating protesters.

I swear to God, I'm in shock!

[Say_What]

23. Sounds like DNC Chicago 1968

[Cocoa]

104. the policeman is not there to create disorder

he's there to preserve disorder. Mayor Daley.

[Fovea]

123. When I was 13

I saw the Chicago Riot. I was sitting in an impala convertable with my uncle and aunt and the police pulled a fellow off the sidewalk with long hair, threw him on the trunk of the car in front of us, and beat him unconcious with a nightstick.

That was the moment that officer friendly was replaced by the pigs.

[Say_What]

124. What an awful thing for a 13-year old to witness. You must have been

terrified. After Chicago life in America became surreal. Killings at Kent State and other places, the Chicago 7--but today is much scarier. It was the first time that the world saw US cops in riot gear and they looked to us exactly like modern day Nazi storm troopers. "The Whole World is Watching" I will never forget that.

[shamanstar]

9. link

http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

[shamanstar]

10. more links

resistance radio http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/2003/11/992.shtml

[DoctorMyEyes]

15. Thank you

eom

[Say_What]

18. WOW!! Cops attacking from behind!

<clips>



11-20-2003 09:58: Police Beating
Channel 7 is LYING. Saying that protestors are attacking cops. The cops attacked from behind. The police beat a girl over the head, medics took her away. "This was a peaceful demonstration."

11-20-2003 09:57: Call-out // Llamado
Protesters that dispersed are walking down 2nd St. Police running their bicycles into people, threatening them. Labor unions and legal observers needed on the streets.

Manifestantes dispersados est�n caminando abajo 2nd St. Polic�a amenaza con sus bicicletas a la gente. Sindicatos y observadores legales se necesitan en las calles.

11-20-2003 09:49: Biscayne and Flagler / Biscayne y Flagler
150-200 ft between protestors and fence. Fence is still intact. Lines of riot cops between fence and protestors. Protestors attempted to pull down fence, before the tear gas. Tense situation, nobody is running, people are staying in solidarity "its all good right now."

150-200 pies entre los manifestantes y la barrera. La barrera est� todav�a intacta. L�neas de polic�as anti disturbios entre la barrera y los manifestantes. Los ultimos intentan bajar la barrera, antes que el gas lagrim�geno. Situaci�n muy tensa, nadie corre, la gente se queda en solidaridad "todo est� bien ahora".


http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

[shamanstar]

81. 135 buses waiting to get into rally

searching people twice. the numbers are increasing dramatically it appears.

[Bozita]

11. Peter Werbe is in that group of protestors.

Mike Malloy talked to Peter on the air last night. Peter said the cops were less than professional.

Peter said that he had "bail money" in his pocket. Looks like he's gonna need it.

Isn't this the same police force that allowed the disruption of vote recounts by Republican operatives in 2000?

[ze_dscherman]

13. Link: Early clashes in Miami as police brace for trade protest march

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-11-20-miami-protests_x.htm

[maddezmom]

17. CNN Espanol

has video on right now

[Say_What]

19. Mika---guarjia is down there. A friend told us a few days ago

that it was gonna get real ugly.

[whirlygigspin]

28. http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

11-20-2003 10:15: Poolice Brutality
14 th and 2nd Ct. Police ran over a cyclist. People have been tazed. People are blockaded in there. There has also been pepper spray and about 5 people are down right now.

[Mika]

42. I wish I would have known that

I would have loved to meet guarjia in person. :thumbsup:

Guess which country isn't involved with the rape know as FTAA - Cuba.



Viva Cuba!

[jayfish]

21. TiVo Or VCR Owners Please Read.

If you are home and are able to view footage of this, please record it. It is important to have un-filtered footage of this event somewhere. I would myself, but I am not at home to do so.

Jay

[Bonobo]

26. MY God, MSNBC just showed some footage of an army guy in full

armor plating holding an assault rifle. They said they were backing up the tape and so it was all in rewind motion so I only saw about 1 second.

Has anyone seen? Are there really assault rifles drawn there? That was Miami, not Iraq, right??

[Say_What]

27. Next step, Military Dictatorship...

just like Latin America

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. "Next step"? No, that took place shortly after the 2000 "elections".

[Lars39]

79. Was martial law ever set aside in FL? Jeb declared it in 2000, for the

selection.

[DoctorMyEyes]

29. They're saying the protesters are "causing trouble"

even though the footage CLEARLY shows that the police are doing ALL of the pushing, shoving, and hitting!

[Zhade]

94. Can you confirm this?

If they have military down there, that is a breach of Posse Comitatus!

[DoctorMyEyes]

24. 14th Street and Second Court

5 protesters down, pepper sprayed, one girl with contact lenses, another protester run over by cop on a bike.


edit to add link to resistance radio posted earlier by shamanstar

resistance radio http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/2003/11/992.shtml

[cosmicdot]

25. certainly bro Jebthro has nothing to do with this

he wouldn't continue to deliver for the BFEEp ... no way ...

~I say sarcastically~

[shamanstar]

32. thinking the same thing

what a great governer. makes me proud to have arnie

[La_Serpiente]

31. I am convinced

that Miami is going to become the next Seattle.

[Say_What]

33. RUBBER BULLETS, POLICE BRUTALITY, DOWNTOWN BLOCKED OFF

11-20-2003 10:24: Flagler and Biscayne
Protestors are looking at arrest, potential mass arrest. At least 3 arrests at Biscayne and Flagler. Reports of injuries. Things with the police look like they are heating up.

11-20-2003 10:23: flagler biscayne update
cops are demonstrating their batons and preparing tear gas canisters. cops pushing protesters back from fence. protesters remaining calm. cheif deputy has announced that this is an "unlawful assembly." one protester overheard a police call for more backup.

11-20-2003 10:22: Ground Zero
Police still demanding dispersal, at Biscayne and Flagler. Marching band circling the area.
1st and Biscayne police are getting reckless. Eco-bloc and puppets left front lines, headed towards arena. people engaging in nonviolent Direect Action. Police are advancing. About 1000 people down there. Police about 4 ft away.

11-20-2003 10:18: Rubber Bullets
Medics report tear gas fired and rubber bullets fired at E. Flagler. Cops are banging on their shields at Biscayne.

11-20-2003 10:15: Police Brutality / Brutalidad Policial
14 th and 2nd Ct. Police ran over a cyclist. People have been tazed. People are blockaded in there. There has also been pepper spray and about 5 people are down right now.

14th y 2nd Ct. La policía corre sobre un ciclista. La gente ha sido golpeada por tazers. Gente ha sido bloqueada ahí. Tambien ha habido spray de pimienta y cerca de 5 personas están en el suelo ahora.

11-20-2003 10:12: status of 12:30 legal march / estatus de la march permitida de 12:30
All downtown routes to downtown blocked off(many union buses can not reach the assembly point for their legal rally and march at 12:30, police may be trying to revoke their permit, afl-cio is negotiating with the police over these issues and perhaps also about the continuing police brutality towards direct action participants. /

http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

[Say_What]

34. PHOTOS

From channel 10 http://www.click10.com/ftaa/2651225/detail.html

[pink_poodle]

76. These cops look so fucking gross!!!!!!!!! It looks like..............

black clad thugs ready to pulverize. And the people are just wearing their regular street clothes and baseball caps, just like they are at the Mall or something. Shit!

[Military Brat]

35. The name of the shadow which follows the BFEE is "Corruption"

And don't forget its twin, "Violence"

Florida authorities did nothing about intelligence regarding terrorists attending the flight school, but they're all over the protestors in a heartbeat. Is this America??

[Say_What]

36. Shop Owners Anticipating Worst Board Up Stores

<clips>

MIAMI -- A group of protesters and line of police officers in riot-gear came to blows in downtown Miami this morning

The confrontation (pictured) happened at 3rd Avenue and 1st Street.

Sky 10 was over the scene as protesters formed a human chain and pressed into police lines. The police pushed the crowd into another area where they said they'll be better able to deal with them. They're now gathered at Biscayne Boulevard and Flagler Street near the Intercontinental Hotel, where Free Trade Area of the Americas talks are being held today.

Officers were using long batons to restrain several dozen protesters, some of whom wore bandannas across the bottom half of their faces or surgical masks. Others carried gas masks. Police estimated the number of protesters they clashed with at between 300 and 400.

Officers did fire some sort of gas canisters into the crowd from behind their barricades. Some demonstrators scattered while others tried to throw the canisters back.

http://www.click10.com/ftaa/2651225/detail.html

[Mika]

38. The building where my office is was sealed up on Monday

I got 4-1/2 days notice from the owners. Costing me a serious bundle.

[DoctorMyEyes]

40. I'm going to be physically ill

I cannot believe what I am seeing, and the disparity between what is being reported and what is being filmed.

Jesus wept....

[drumz4hire]

37. Pigs for BFEE...

doing what they do best

BASTARDS :mad::mad:

[shamanstar]

39. media embedding

http://www.click10.com/ftaa/2645267/detail.html
they want the media to get the full picture. :eyes:

[Say_What]

43. so they can let us know only what they want us to see/know

[Mika]

44. Its pathetic. Local TV swooning at the cops protecting all of "us"

All local TV is FULLY embedded with the jackboots. Kneepads on.

[DoctorMyEyes]

45. Mika, I saw a tank?!?

Kinda tannish/brownish armored vehicle?

Have you seen that on local TV - what is that about?

[htuttle]

46. Resistance Radio reports sighting 2 of them

Yes. A tank.

(on edit)

Now reporting that police are breaking out fire hoses.

A good number of protesters are still holding their positions. The AFL-CIO permitted march has been allowed through, but nobody knows what they will do when they reach the direct action area.

[htuttle]

47. Correction, not a tank, but an APC

A Bradley, perhaps.

From http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

11-20-2003 10:42: AFL-CIO March
Biscayne and 3rd. APC by the torch of friendship. AFL-CIO march is coming past. AFL march going up 2nd to a park. Another APC in the park. Police closed 2nd at Biscayne.

[aquart]

129. What's an APC?

[htuttle]

130. Armored Personnel Carrier

Like a tank without a huge gun. It would have a smaller one, and more room inside to carry infantry.

[DoctorMyEyes]

48. I just heard that too

on resistance radio


MSNBC is making it sound like the AFL-CIO is a "respectable" protest and the police are protecting them from being infiltrated by the "violent protesters" (you know, the ones that have been getting knocked around for the last hour or so???)

Someone on another thread raised a good point - protests NEVER get this kind of live coverage while they're happening. Something is up. Either it's to keep from covering the UK protests or they're anticipating something ugly.

[htuttle]

49. Here's a chilling bit

From http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

11-20-2003 10:58: black bloc affiliates subject to harassment on the street
People leaving ground zero were followed by some men, dressed as protesters, in a red Ford SUV. One man carried a 9mm pistol on his lap, leaned out the window and yelled "you don't want to fuck with us."

11-20-2003 10:48: 1st and Biscayne / 1st y Biscayne
Cops beating dwn on any protestors that puch forward. Police are pulling out the fire hoses. AFL-CIO march is coming up behind the DA people.

[DoctorMyEyes]

51. Beating and dragging protesters at 2nd and Biscayne

as they were preparing to enter ampitheatre (?) with the permission of the AFL -CIO

edit from http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml:

11-20-2003 11:08: undercover cops violently arresting people without provocation
undercovers just tackled black bloc person and dragged him behind the police line at biscayne and second.

another individual was subjected to the same treatment, but was successfully unarrested...

11-20-2003 11:07: Undercover cops Dragging Protestors
In about 15 minutes, protestors will be allowed into the Amphitheatre. Police are tackling someone. Undercover police dragging BLack BLocers across the police line. This is at Biscayne and 2nd. Two people are behind the police line. Protestors coming to the line. Many cameras out.

11-20-2003 11:01: afl cio
from a aflcio spokes person, they have negotiated w/ police that the protesters have until noon to eter the ampitheater. After noon, they will be sealin off the entrance and closing off the street and arresting everyone still there.

[shamanstar]

52. we are lucky to live in a country that allows protest

THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!

[DoctorMyEyes]

54. yeah.....lucky

lucky duckies are we

[shamanstar]

71. oh, sleeping like a baby

[_NorCal_D_]

117. He should be careful.

Somebody could easily snatch his gun.

[shamanstar]

118. again what i was thinking

maybe i should email the MPD and ask if this is appropriate behavior. maybe we all should. http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/contacts/comment_form.html

[shamanstar]

50. undercover dressed in polos and khakis

they are also following people and threatening them. one report of someone following people to car and then saying "you dont want to fuck with us" while holding a gun on lap

[Mika]

55. Just saw undercover cops drawing Glock pistols in the crowd

Some very ballsy protesters still chased them down and were swinging at the cop drawing the gun on them.

Un F-ing believable.

[htuttle]

56. It's a red SUV

With several in military type dress inside (the ones with the gun mentioned above).

[Beaker]

41. Dumb anchorbroad on RNCMSNBC-

They're showing scenes of streets, empty of cars, with only TONS of cops and some scattered protesters, and the anchobroad is decrying the tragedy that this is closing down these usually busy streets. As part of her description of the area she explains that this is usually an important business district, and the place where they hold the Miami Grand Prix...

Excuse me? did she say "Miami Grand Prix"?? Ummmm...don't they have to close down the same streets to local traffic for the miami grand prix? How can the fact that the streets are closed down today be such a horrible tragedy then? I would imagine that setting up and taking down the grand prix course, painting the stripes, etc., take longer than the 1 or 2 days of protests...don't they?

[shamanstar]

53. pictures

[Say_What]

57. Undercover cops violently arresting people without provocation

11-20-2003 11:08: undercover cops violently arresting people without provocation
undercovers just tackled black bloc person and dragged him behind the police line at biscayne and second.

another individual was subjected to the same treatment, but was successfully unarrested...

11-20-2003 11:07: Undercover cops Dragging Protestors
In about 15 minutes, protestors will be allowed into the Amphitheatre. Police are tackling someone. Undercover police dragging BLack BLocers across the police line. This is at Biscayne and 2nd. Two people are behind the police line. Protestors coming to the line. Many cameras out.

11-20-2003 11:01: afl cio
from a aflcio spokes person, they have negotiated w/ police that the protesters have until noon to eter the ampitheater. After noon, they will be sealin off the entrance and closing off the street and arresting everyone still there.

[DeathvadeR]

58. LAND OF THE FREE?

WHo EVER TOLD YOU THAT IS YOUR ENEMY!!!!!!

[0007]

67. Shame shame shame

How much more can Mother take?

[Mika]

60. Operation "clean sweep" coming at high noon

Cops regrouping, bringing in busses to transport arrested.

Local TV calling protesters terrorists already.

[Say_What]

61. Police Outnumber FTAA Protesters In Some Instances --Video clip

Video clip at this site

<clips>

MIAMI -- Police outnumbered protesters who marched into downtown Miami on Tuesday to oppose the city's bid to host the world's largest free trade area.

People on the 34-mile, three-day walk from Fort Lauderdale to Miami complained that the show of force by 300 police officers, many in full riot gear, was unnecessary for the 250 marchers, who have been peaceful since their trek began.

Dozens of police agencies have been mobilized to prepare for any trouble that may break out in planned rallies this week, although no violent protests had been reported. Authorities fear a repeat of what happened in Seattle in 1999, when a World Trade Organization meeting ended with little accomplished in trade talks and five days of riots that tarnished that city's image and left $3 million in damages.

Tens of thousands of protesters were expected for Miami rallies Thursday and Friday.

Miami police spokesman Delrish Moss said authorities had prepared for a larger crowd Tuesday than the one that marched into downtown late in the afternoon.

"It's better to prepare for the larger numbers and have too many, than not have enough officers and ... not be prepared," Moss said.

No arrests were reported Tuesday related to protests, Moss said. Three arrests were reported Monday.

"The police presence just helps to escalate things," said Javier Javibeaquidez, 25, from Albuquerque, N.M. and a graduate student at University of New Mexico. "There was no way were going to do any physical damage. It was just excessive."

http://www.click10.com/ftaa/2648190/detail.html

[Say_What]

62. More PHOTOS

http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/#ftaaphoto

[pink_poodle]

75. New Fucking World Order! It's already alive and beating..........on

people. Get in line everyone!!!!!!!!!!

[Say_What]

85. Not new. Started in 1948 with George Kennan's statement

which still applies to US foreign policy today. PNAC came out of this.

"We have about 50% of the world's wealth, but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity...We should cease to talk about vague and...unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of living standards and democratization...The less we are hampered by idealistic slogans, the better." (Walter LeFeber, Inevitable Revolutions: The United States in Central America, Norton, 1983).


http://www.madre.org/art_whatsolib_en.html

[Malva Zebrina]

77. thanks

for the pictures--I imagined the police wearing brown shirts.

[nn2004]

88. This is against capitalism?

That will go over like a lead float. My guess is most Americans are for capitalism and will not support the fringe against it. Sorry but that is the way it is here in America. Maybe try a socialist country or something...

[CaptainClark23]

63. Let there be no doubt

We are at war.

This war will be fought in the streets.

Flee if you have no hope or courage, but we will have our nation back.

[shamanstar]

64. where are you watching this stuff?

is there a video link online? im not seeing images, only listening to streaming radio.

[htuttle]

65. Steelworkers declare solidarity with direct action marchers!

From http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

11-20-2003 11:22: steelworkers allow non-union members to join march
the steelworkers are calling out for supporters of their march, but are asking that noone bring drums.

11-20-2003 11:22: Steelworkers Showing Up
Union members started to show up. Steelworkers are at the amphitheatre. Protestors at the fence slowly being pushed back to the amphitheatre. Concussion grenades going off, pepprespray fired. People are rallying witht he labor unions. All directions are moving towards the amphitheatre.

11-20-2003 11:18: steelworkers declare solidarity with Direct Action
while the direct action folks are still being held by police, the workers have been allowed to peacefully assemble. steelworker organizers have declared their solidarity with those involved in direct action and say that they will continue to march even if police attempt to halt their actions.

[truthspeaker]

68. this brings back memories!

11-20-2003 11:31: police attack steelworkers
cops knocked down 5-6 steelworkers outside amphitheater, preparing tasers and tear gas. One protester lying on the ground immobile. AFL mediating link

Cops beating union members. Brings back the 1920s. Ahh, memories.

[Say_What]

69. Police ATTACK Steelworkers

11-20-2003 11:35:
the protester on the ground has been allowed up and back into the crowd, escorted away by peacekeepers

11-20-2003 11:31: police attack steelworkers
cops knocked down 5-6 steelworkers outside amphitheater, preparing tasers and tear gas. One protester lying on the ground immobile. AFL mediating

11-20-2003 11:31: Cops Pull Guns / Polic�as toman sus pistolas
Cops are leading into Bayfront Amphithetre. Things "look chaotic" up there. Cops have pulled their guns and pointed them at people. Someone is on the ground with rifles pointed at him. AFL-CIO marshalls trying to talk the police down.


Following what's happening here:
http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/

[Socialist Christian]

96. I wish i was down there.<nt>

[shamanstar]

70. VOTE here on police presence

do you think police presence in downtown miami is too much? 85 percent say no.
http://www.click10.com/ftaa/2648190/detail.html

[Lars39]

78. It's been freeped! No's are in the 70's.

[demdave]

90. Why are polls freep when the go against us, but lauded when they aren't

even though, I would think, the mechanics is the same.....post on a message board (like here or FR) and invite people to cast votes. I have never understood the idea of asking people to poll when you simply discount any non-supported results out of hand. I consider all online polls as worthless.

I find it disingenuous to label polls "freeped" when the same tactics didn't work in our favor.

[meisje]

99. one word "denial"

[Lars39]

102. There are very few polls I believe, they're way too easy to skew.

Online polls Are worthless, but still regarded as *truth* by some, hence the *freeped*, or *DU this poll*. This one flip-flopped pretty fast. :shrug:

[Barrett808]

91. "No" down to 68% n/t

n/t

[0rganism]

125. An internet poll from an establishment media source... no surprises here

Most of the people who would vote against the cops are marching in the streets. The TV whores call upon their ass-sitting propaganda viewers to "come vote in our poll, tell us what you think".

Amazing it's not higher.

[Robb]

72. For those of us unfamiliar with direct action...

Could someone tell me what "un-arrested" means? :shrug:

[smallprint]

86. It means the person's friends and fellow protestors

literally wrestled or pulled the person away from the police, before they had a chance to cuff the person and put him/her in a paddywagon.

Now THAT'S direct action!!

:)

[dreissig]

106. Police Wagon

Paddy wagon is an ethnic slur against the Irish. Please don't say, "Get over it."

[aquart]

133. I prefer Black Maria.

Is that also a slur?

[shamanstar]

73. man hijacks schoolbus to take students to a protest

at pro player stadium. is this where the protests are at?
this was reported on the video news at http://www.click10.com/ftaa/2648190/detail.html

[shamanstar]

74. they are also showing empty streets

and saying they have cameras positioned all over downtown to show you IF anything happens, as if nothing has happened yet.
interviewing a calm police officer describing how to discipline to crowd.
the newscaster also tried to claim that the tear gas was shot over the fence FROM the side of the protestors. when the other commentators corrected him, he backed off. it was obvious he was trying to lie.

the whole time th calm cop is explaining how this tear gasing is ok.

[shamanstar]

80. live feed of police scanners

http://www.tampanewsnetwork.com/ link in article

[shamanstar]

82. is this legal?

http://www.piersystem.com/external/index.cfm?cid=647&fuseaction=EXTERNAL.press&type=4964

showing pictures of people who were arrested?
i cant tell if this is a police website or not.

[Say_What]

83. Miami Police Website... Miami cops supporting Bushies Political Agenda

here's a clip. BTW, guess who's going to Baghdad, the guy who signed this POS note--Timoney

Dear Residents and Visitors:

On behalf of the partners in the South Florida Law Enforcement Community, we would like to welcome you to our great city. During your stay, we hope you enjoy our warm, friendly people, our wonderful mix of beaches, palm trees and sunshine, along with our vast array of dining, dancing and culturally diverse experiences.

While you are here, rest assured that you are our highest priority. We, the men and women of the South Florida Law Enforcement Community, will do everything in our power to insure your visit is a safe, pleasant and memorable one. Please do not hesitate to approach any of our officers you may encounter during your visit with any questions or comments you may have.

Once again, thank you for making Miami a better place with your visit.

John F. Timoney
Chief of Police

[demdave]

93. I don't get the "supporting Bushies Political Agenda" link.

It read like a standard "welcome to our city, we are here to make your visit safe and enjayable" statement. What in it supported Bush?

[nn2004]

101. Say What?

I see nothing about Bush in there. It read like any city charter. I don't see where it should allow Bloc thugs to tear down fences and destroy city property. Do you?

[dreissig]

107. Timoney Again

He's the guy behind all the bogus arrests in Philadelphia. I agree, he is a piece of shit.

[Say_What]

111. BINGO +/- 400 arrested during pres. convention in Philly

[glitch]

84. I think so - since it's a public demonstration

Different from posting pictures of women entering planned parenthood clinics, that's private, can't post without permission.
Invasion of privacy.
But I could be wrong. Being arrested may fit under privacy protection.

[demdave]

92. Photos of people being arrested for prostitution are routinely posted

as a deterent. I believe much of this, such as the police report, is public record. I think it is just the time and energy that keep most pictures from being posted without a reason. The show Cops does it.

[nn2004]

87. Why not let them rip down the fences?

And then let them enter the buildings and trash them too?

[Name removed]

89. Deleted message

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[nn2004]

95. Say What?

Being against violent protest when they destroy property makes one a "freeper" now?

Are there not rules against that kind of crap?

[meisje]

100. alls fair as long as it is against bush

no matter the consequences, not what I believe personally, but the norm here

[demdave]

97. I thought there were rules against calling people freeper, disruptors and

other such names. I too am against violent protests.

[nn2004]

98. Must have been my typo spelling of fences

I fixed it. Remember, only "freepers" make typos when spelling. This kind of crap needs to stop.

[Dr Satan]

103. were you against

the american revolution?

[loudsue]

105. The American Revolution was one of those "necessary" wars...

And, I'm afraid, it's about time for another one. Damned if I'm going to let MY forefathers/mothers deaths to have been in vain! What's going on in this country today is terrifying to true believers in Democracy.

We've got to get those damned voting machines corrected, and enforce a free press. I'm so tired of lies and propaganda, and having corporate prostitutes in the legislatures and courts.

America isn't about "we, the People" anymore.

:kick::kick:

[demdave]

109. This protest is now equal to the American revolution?I

I think you have a problem with scale. If your real agenda in prtesting in Florida is to overthrow the government, by all means come out and say so, but using the american revolution as an excuse for destroying personal property is quite a stretch. What next blow up all the wal marts because it is as important as stopping slavery?

[Zhade]

113. The Boston Tea Party was all about destroying private property.

The action was also illegal.

It's a bit funny to hear anyone say "using the american revolution as an excuse for destroying personal property is quite a stretch" when there was quite a bit of destruction of personal property during the Revolution.

Just a point to consider. Attacking innocents, on the other hand (like people inside Wal-Marts) is clearly not what the poster, or myself, endorse.

[Zhade]

110. Here's video of tear gas at the fence and some beatings.

I went ahead and mirrored this, because the FTAA IMC site is getting serious traffic, and the download was horrifically slow. Also, the quality is kinda low, but still worth viewing. The file is about 5 megs.

A couple of cops start whacking the peaceful protestors at roughly 2:45 into the video.

http://www.smashthetrifecta.com/1183.mov

[Say_What]

112. Provocateurs Among Protesters

plus I heard it was the cops goal to get everyone off the street by 2pm

Reports of provacateurs in the crowd

< 11-20-2003 13:45 > Provocateurs Among Protesters - Provocadores entre l@s manifestantes
Report from the street that there have been small groups of provocateurs trying to blend into the crowd and attempting to provoke protesters into doing things that will get them quickly arrested. Person who reported this said that reporters have video footage proof.

Desde la calle se informe que hay pequeños grupos de provocadores que intentan mezclarse con la gente y lograr que l@s manifestantes hagan cosas cuya consecuencia será el arresto inmediato. La persona que informó de esto dijo que periodistas del CMI tienen pruebas en video.

[htuttle]

114. Police getting ready to sweep bayfront park

fFrom http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/index.shtml

< 11-20-2003 15:12 > bayfront park
reports are coming in that riot police appear to be getting ready to sweep bayfront park.

Also mentioned on Resistance Radio stream.

[bigrootcanal]

115. Got a link to that video footage proof

I'm interested in reviewing it.

[Barrett808]

116. Scary tazer footage

warning-disturbing clip---Tazer use by cops on non-violent protestors

http://ftaaimc.org/en/2003/11/1277.shtml
tazer clip - video/quicktime 1.2M

[Q]

120. Americans should be made aware...

...that our government DOES have an 'unofficial' program to infiltrate mass protests and encourage violence. This obviously gives riot police and government agents a reason to begin arresting anyone in the area.

- They did it during the Vietnam protests and they're still doing it today. Don't believe the government-sponsored propaganda you hear in the mainstream media. Most if not all of the protestors are peaceful and are against any kind of violent protests.

[Say_What]

122. From FTAAIMC: Identifying Provocateurs

It is actually not to hard to tell a police provocatuer from a real direct action activist: What is the probable outcome of what the suspect person proposes?

When the police outnumber the crowd or the scenario for the demonstration requires restrictive rules of engagement to work, police provocateurs will throw rocks that deliberatly miss and encourage others to do so. They will even encourage people to make molotovs in some limited cases, if they can prevent their use or limit them to things they don't mind seeing burn.

On the other hand, when it is the POLICE that are outnumbered or the CITY is in a scenario where things need to be kept quiet, the reverse is also true. During R2K, the undercovers were screaming for nonviolence, as the Mayor feared a violent convention. The same guy that will throw rocks from a crowd of 100 at 10,000 cops will scream for nonviolence and pull your arm down if you are throwing stones from a crowd of 10,000 at 100 cops. In short, he will do whatever is in the best interests of his compatriots.

Therefore, his actions will be observably OPPOSITE what the scenario really calls for on serious examination. It can be hard for someone committed ONLY to ONE tactic to tell this, of course, but it should be obviouls to an "all the tools in the toolbox" supporter. If a person consistantly calls for the same thing rather it works or not(throws stones in both cases above), they probably are just inexperienced.

In this action, stones thrown from the AFL march have different political consquences than stones thrown from any other action. They promote strife between AFL organizers and other activists, they allow the cops to run up arrest totals from the union march if and only if thrown from easily arrestable places. The most dangerous provocateur, however, would NOT be dressed as an anarchist but as a union member, and would get the cameras on himself if he were to throw a stone in person. If he is dressed like an anarchist, nobody will be fooled and nobody will blame the union(except maybe FOX news).

Another form of provocateur will attempt to get a crowd to do things that will backfire in a political sense. This is a game two can play, and years ago activists in DC did this to an antiabortion group by putting some fake "white power" racists in the front who chanted viciously racist antiabortion slogans when the antis neared teh Supreme COurt and all thsoe press cameras. The rest of the crowd took up the slogans, to the great embarassment of the organizers!

More seriously, the cops in Genoa set up a complete fake black bloc that burned and trashed working class people's cars and stores. They were caught because someone saw and photographed Molotov cocktails being handed to them out of the trunk of a police car. Fortunately, this kind of undercover is easily identified by his choice of targets. Assuming a militarily plausable scenario, the guy who stones the Gap is a protestor, the guy who stones the small immigrant owned clothing store is a COP.

http://ftaaimc.org/en/2003/11/1207.shtml

[bushisanidiot]

126. Excellent Article. Throw the provocatuers out front & see if the cops do

anything to them. If they want to provoke violence against cops, they can be the ones to take the smack down. I hope their faces get plastered all over the internet.

[shamanstar]

119. link- CNN claims its reporter was beaten

CNN had some good clips of the police beating on the crowd, with a voiceover that first says police beat the CNN team and broke their camera then says it was the protestors being violent. Precious.

http://www.ftaaimc.org/en/2003/11/1314.shtml

[Zhade]

121. They will ignore all dissent, even unto their own destruction.

If that's not a quote, it should be. These corporate fools will only be useful to the Elite for so long.

[0rganism]

127. Funny, that link just doesn't work now

I'm having trouble getting other clip links working, too. Did they pull the clip or rename it?

From the description, it seems like goddam evidence to me, anyway. Class action suit coming your way, MPD.

[htuttle]

128. Someone posted some working links

I was able to grab a copy of it yesterday, but it was going VERY slow by the time it was done (took a few hours). I think the media server at FTAA IMC was getting a bit swamped (considering the interest, and the size of the videos, I'm not surprised).

Look in the comments to that post near the bottom, and you'll see some additional links to the footage.

[shamanstar]

131. those links also dont work

the last one actually takes you to a page but not the page of the cnn report of the incident.
you actually heard this? what did they say?

[htuttle]

132. Haven't seen it yet -- I was going to watch it tonight

It took most of the evening to download it yesterday.