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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:37 PM
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Democrats Insist Republicans Pull Bush Ad
WASHINGTON -- Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle is demanding that Republicans stop showing their first television ad of the 2004 presidential race, which he called "repulsive and outrageous."

The 30-second ad, featuring clips of Bush during his State of the Union address last January, portrays the president as a fighter of terrorism as Democrats retreat from the fight.

"It's wrong. It's erroneous, and I think that they ought to pull the ad," Daschle told NBC's "Meet the Press" program on Sunday.

"We all want to defeat terrorism," the South Dakota senator said. But "to chastise and to question the patriotism of those who are in opposition to some of the president's plans I think is wrong."

more..............

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bush-ad,0,1606424.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:44 PM
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1. Tom's right, but he shouldn't just say it, he needs to scream it and do
so over and over and over. That's the only thing they listen to, and the only way to get the media's attention.

I'm getting a little tired of the Dem leadership bitching about something for two-three days, and just letting it drop.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:52 PM
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6. Amen! They should produce their own ad and threaten to run it if he
doesn't pull his labeling Dems as unpatriotic.
Cut loose on the AWOL story.
Show the family ties to Bin Laden.
Dig out those original stories of OBLs family being on the first plane outta here.
Play on that Mission Accomplished BS.
How about those boomings in Istanbul in defiance of Bush and Blair
Taking plays from the Israelis
Show those pictures of him writing on flags.
The crap pulled on this 3 hour vote for medicare and let's show who is tied to what HMO
The list goes on and on and on and on
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:01 PM
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9. Tom is TERRIFIED of this hypothetical aggressive approach...
...witnessed by the fact that he has been reluctant to "go there" thus far...

Tom is afraid that if he tells the truth aout Bush, then Bush/media will be "mean to him"

I see nothing great about his comments today- the GOP was hoping he would come across a whiner, not a fighter, and he did.

What Tom should have said: "I take offense to Bush calling me unpatriotic- For starters, while I served in the military, Bush was AWOL from a conflict he claims to have supported. Cheney got not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4 but FIVE deferemnts and said he had "other priorities". You cant get more unpatriotic than that..."

But NOOOOOOO- telling the TRUTH would cause Bush/media to "be mean" to wittle Tommy and dat would hurt his feewings...



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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:28 PM
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here, here
that's exactly right, he needs to be direct and not whiny...one more reason daschle should not be majority leader....
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:19 PM
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61. Agreed - Daschle wouldn't know how to fight if his life depended upon it
Alas, something far more important is hanging in the balance: our democracy.

Who's available to replace this timid accomodationist?
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:16 PM
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19. I'm with you on this one...way too much to ignore on the Repukes, we
need to get on 'em and stay on 'em...turn up the heat
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:19 PM
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21. I don't see why
The Democrats don't exploit those things, anyhow. We need to show the ignorant SOBs in this country (meaning anyone who "admires" the chimp) the truth about their so-called "exalted" leader. The chimp is a menace to U.S. society, and they're covering it up with insistent and devious propaganda.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:24 PM
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22. The AWOL sound bites and family ties to bin Laden...
..would do the trick.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:08 PM
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56. Envision ...
... a squad of black jack-booted Repug thugs with red arm bands saying GOP and carrying the fascis and axe in front of them.

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:47 PM
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2. bring it on
not that there was any doubt this was what they would do. This is the way to fight it, call it for what it is, exploiting the war that Bush himself started, probably for this reason.

Same with when they start using Sept. 11, they need to call that for what it is too, and start pointing out that it happened on his watch.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:47 PM
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3. That's the thanks you get for playing nice Tom
the Fascists are going to portray us as traitors, flag burners, and baby killers. Surprise.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:55 PM
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34. I've been trying to tell people that for months now....
There is a time and place for playing nice, but there comes a time when we have to quit being the party of nice-nice and milquetoast and fight fire with fire.

There is even a strong contingent on DU that is always urging playing nice and always urging caution because we might get a little egg on our faces, always urging us to not take risks because it could have some political fallout.

I can't agree. If we want to take this country back from the fascists who are currently in the drivers seat we need to not only be willing to take risks, we should be willing to fight just as hard as the opposition.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:02 PM
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35. I have no more time for DEMS who fear that "Bush/media will be mean to me"
Many DEMS seem to be saying "I'm afraid to tell the truth about Bush-because if I do, Bush/media will be mean to me."

Well, I hate to tell the "wimp wing" of the DEMS, but Bush/media is going to be "mean to us" no matter what we do.

It's time we started calling LIARS what they are- "LIARS" and use that word. Just one tiny example.

We need to throw down the guantlet and start telling the TRUTH about Bush- before it is too late...
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:48 PM
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4.  they are all speaking the same language on this, but
they need to continue to hammer the point home. Bush is using 9/11 for political gain.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:50 PM
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5. About damned time
Now, keep up the pressure.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:52 PM
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7. Use it to our advantage
I wish everyone would stop bitchin and moanin. Everthing the repugs use can be used against them. Let them accuse American Citizens of treason! Replay their own messages with a twist reminding all that only one party is fighting for the Bill of Rights. Bring out all the campaign propaganda from the last election and give it a new meaning. Can you just see Bush proclaiming that "help is on the way" with shots of caskets?
Give them all the rope they need.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:50 PM
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32. yes, I think the ad will backfire, let them hang themselves
People who are all about the invasion of Iraq already have Bush's vote. The ad only calls attention to the middle eastern boondoggle. Next time they read a negative news story about Iraq, the ad cements that association with Bush. It's Bush's war.

The ad is the Republican's Wellstone memorial ... it leaves an unpleasant taste for independents, who are pretty good at critical thinking.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:06 PM
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37. Hi randr!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:54 PM
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8. Stop whinning like a wimp and COUNTER it with an AWOL AD you PUSSY!!!!
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 03:55 PM by Dr Fate
Tom- "fighting" for us once again- Ho-hummm.

On EDIT- Perhaps Tom is merely a "Flacid penis" rather than a "pussy"- I cant decide...
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:04 PM
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10. I agree...
we've got the ammo, now the Democratic leadership needs to fire the damn guns. Being nice got us where we are, which is the minority party. Fight back, you don't have anything to lose.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:07 PM
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13. Many DEMS are TERRIFIED to tell the truth about bush/media
...we need more DEMS like Clark & Dean who do not piss in their panties everytime Bush/media is "mean to them"...

What was Tom's "comeback"= NOTHING!!!! All he did was "insist" that Bush/media stop being "mean to him"...

Bush/media was hoping that Tom would whine and cry instead of FIGHTING- and he abliged..sighhh...AGAIN.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:44 PM
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65. not just AWOL
They should ask: WHere are the WMDS?????? WHere the hell are they?

Also bring up what they did to that CIA agent.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:40 PM
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28. RIGHT ON !
Time to start kickin' ass back at 'em rather than playing possum for 4 more years.

If we don't fight 'em toe to toe we don't deserve the White House because Goddess knows the FACTS are on our side.


:hippie:
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:33 PM
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64. We are probably just playing into their trap
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 06:33 PM by Democat
They will pull this ad once they are done running it and then they will demand we pull every ad between now and the election that is critical of Bush.

We should just come back slamming them harder than they slam us.

Fight, don't cry!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:04 PM
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11. Oh no!!! Tom is "insisting" Bush/media stops being mean to him!!!
Oh no!!! I'm sure they are all running scared NOW!!!

Help me, momma!!! Tom is "insisting" again- what shall we ever do????

Once again Tom whines and cries like a fucking baby instead of FIGHTING like a MAN.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:06 PM
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12. Oh fer Chrissakes!
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 04:07 PM by liberalmuse
Stop whining and counterattack! 'Where's Osama?' 'Where's Sadam?' 'Are we really safer now than we were before 9-11?' There are so many ways that Bush has failed in his 'War on Terra' that it would be impossible for the Dems to cover them in an ad campaign. Unfortunately, I suspect the Dems are too chicken to attack Bush, 'The great wartime president.' I hope some of our more ballsy Dem candidates slap down the Bush ads with their own.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:09 PM
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15. Tom would piss in his pink panties if we "made" him do that...
Leave poor widdle Tom alone- cant you see he is scared that Bush/media would be "mean to him" if he FOUGHT AND TOLD THE TRUTH instead of whining and crying????
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:07 PM
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14. What does Tom expect from the people that sent him anthrax?
This ad ain't shiet...just wait til the GOPs election machine cranks into high gear. I suspect they will have 75% of Americans in 2004 thinking that liberals caused 911. Laugh at your own peril.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:12 PM
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17. Anthrax shamthrax- Tom is blackmailed, it's obvious.
He does just barely enough- he always gives a muted "response"- but always REFUSES to tell the whole truth about Bush, at every single oppurtunity that they lay at his feet to tell the truth about Bush. he REFUSES.

Not once, not twice, but literally HUNDREDS of opportunities Tom has had to tell the truth about Bush- and just like today, he REFUSES those oppurtunities.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:34 PM
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27. I think the anthrax letter cooked his noodle
He shows signs of having Stockholm syndrome.

http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/stockholm.html

Basically, the BFEE has mentally castrated Tom.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:41 PM
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29. He always issues a token "response" but never throws down the guantlet
Never uses "fighting words", never tells damning facts about Bush...

In short- millions of people will see the AD, but pratically no one will see his "response"

What if he had called the ad "LIES" and used the word "LIE?"

What if he had said-

"Bush is a LIAR if he does not remove this ad. He has lied many times before (bring up 5 or 6 examples) but his is outrageous and it will not stand. Bush needs to look me, a veteran in the eye and tell me I'm unpatriotic, if he really believes this LIE"

Tom could have "thrown down the guantlet" and gotten MAXIMUM media coverage (they love a he-said she-said horse race)but no- he gave the usual muted, flacid penis complaint/whine/crybaby response that he ALWAYS gives.
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Tlking Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:53 PM
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33. Rex maybe be right
If we roll over again GOP will be happy to wipe us from their boots. It's time to stand-up to challenge the lies of the GOP and to cut them off at the political knees.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:07 PM
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38. Hi Tlking!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:10 PM
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16. this is why we need Dean/Clark
because neither of them are going to take that shit. Somebody run an ad explaining how we have lost all of our allies. Somebody run an ad explaining how Bush is hiding our casualties from his little unnecessary war.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:14 PM
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18. I will vote for the candidate that tells the TRUTH about Bush...
...and Clark & Dean both have been showing great signs in this area...
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:16 PM
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20. the response to this is pathetic
the dems speak in one voice denouncing the ads, but people are desperate to cling to Rush Limbaugh's "pink tutu" characterization of Daschle.

Pretty soon, people will be denying that Daschle ever commented on the ads, just like people claimed he blocked the Sept.11 investigations. Oh, well.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:28 PM
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24. Tom whined and cried "unfair"- with no counter attack.
Just as Dr. Fate and the GOP KNEW he would.

I would have loved to have seen Tom throw Bush & the Media COMPLETLY off guard, by telling a few facts about Bush & Cheney's unpatriotic lack of military service.

Tom, if he was not terrified, could have said: "If Bush and Cheney REALLY think they can smear DEMS as unpatriotic, then they better be prepared to answer some hard questions about their refsual to serve..."

OR- "I think its unpatriotic to stall the 9/11 investigations- we need to get to the bottom of this, but we have a bunch of draft-dodgers up there stalling it..."

Ahh, but those would be "fighting words" and Tom is no fighter- he is merely whiner and complainer.

Cocao- I'm with you 95% of the time on giving credit to DEMS when it is due. Credit is not due in this case. Why??

Why?? Becuase EVERYONE will see this ad, but NO ONE will see Tom's muted reponse.

WHY will no one see Tom's muted response??? Becuase it is BORING AND PREDICTABLE. Tom could have turned this into a national issue by merely telling the truth about Bush, but he was too scared.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:42 PM
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30. since when is it the minority leader's job to produce ads?
How does his comment prevent the presidential candidates like John Kerry from producing ads, which he did. You can see it at his website.

And how is calling Bush's ad "repulsive" a muted response?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:48 PM
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31. It's his job to use the TV time given to him effectivly...
EVERYONE will see the ad, but no one will ever hear Tom's BORING and PREDICTABLE response/complaint/whine.

Tom could have thrown down the guantlet- he could have said- "This AD is a LIE, and Bush and Cheney are LIARS if they do not pull it."

"I challange anyone in the GOP to call me unpatriotic to my face- these are LIES and the people saying this are flat out LIARS. I am SICK of the LIES from Bush and I am going to challenge every one of them..."

Use "fighting words" like "LIAR"- and back it up with FACTS. Do SOMTHING to get noticed.

Tom failed. That attack ad will be seen by everyone, Tom's muted response will go the way of all of his less than memorable performances...
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:27 PM
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23. Daschle is simply NOT assertive enough!
He is not listened to or respected as a "leader". He feeds right into their hands and someone else needs to speak for my party....NOT him!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:31 PM
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26. Americans(voters) cant stand complainers- they love FIGHTERS
The GOP are FIGHTING us, while Tom merely complains and whines about htem being "unfair" and "mean to us." Boo-fucking hoo hoo.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 04:30 PM
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25. They love Tom so much Tim will have him on next again .....
next week and the week after that. What a pussy.
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tableturner Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:04 PM
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36. How about Tora Bora?
Bush and company LET BIN LADEN GET AWAY! How incompetent can you get? Somehow the Bush administration benefits from this myth of expertise in how it conducts war. Well...it took no expertise on the part of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Powell for us to beat Afghanistan. It took the expertise of our fighting men and women, along with our overwhelming superiority. It took total stupidity for Bush and company to have allowed that ridiculous pause in the assault on Tora Bora and also to leave things to the Afghans to handle the final "assault". How many of you had the sinking feeling that when we allowed the pause that bin Laden and crew were getting away? I know I did. This group is incompetent when it comes to waging war, and outside of employing overwhelming force, they have failed both in Afghanistan and Iraq. And I am not even mentioning their totally incompetent "diplomatic" (using quotes here because their approach was the opposite of diplomatic) overtures.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:17 PM
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40. Bringing this up requires telling the truth about Bush, a no-no...
...everyone knows that if you tell the TRUTH about Bush, in response to a LIE told about DEMS. that this is a big NO-NO. Apparently telling the truth would freak-out too many republicans and meida types.

If Tom would have brought that up, Bush/media would have been "mean to him", and we would not want to put such a fragile man in that position.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:21 PM
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41. Tom Doesn't Want His Family To Come Down With Anthrax
which is why he doesn't say anything about

or

or so many other things.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:25 PM
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43. Or he is blackmailed , OR, he just plain SUCKS.
# possible explainations for his refusal to do a simple thing- Tell the truth about Bush.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:16 PM
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39. why is Daschle singled out here?
they quote four dems, and Daschle is the only one who used language like "repulsive." The others, including the revered Kennedy, use much more measured tones, and yet they don't receive any of the vitriol.

Just like the abortion vote, Daschle was excoritated but Byrd was not, even thought they voted the same way.

And after the his energy bill statements, Tom Harkin was leading in one of the many "replace Daschle" polls, even though Harkin holds the same position as Daschle.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:22 PM
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42. I'll single out any DEMS, including Max Cleland, who refuse to fight
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 05:23 PM by Dr Fate
...all in the world any DEM has to do is TELL THE TRUTH about Bush.

So long as they refuse, I will make a note of it.

That attack ad was a LIE. Call it a LIE. Call those who "support" the ad "liars" (Bush? Cheney?) Use the words "Lie", "Lied" and "Liars". Tell the truth.

Actual quotes/lies from Tom:

"...I think Bush is a nice man..." From a recent interview

"...I think Bush is an honest man..." Tom's response, about 3 hours after Bush lied 3 times in a press conference about his Harkengate ties...

Instead of telling the truth about Bush, Tom lied for him. All I want is for DEMS to tell the TRUTH about Bush. Whay is that a bad strategy???
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:32 PM
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46. so why didn't you?
or anyone else in this thread?

His becoming the scapegoat, and mythologizing Kennedy, etc., is as dishonest as Limbaugh's obsession with Daschle. He paints him contradictorily as a wimp when he caves and a menace when he wins.

Can't win with the dishonest rightwingers, and can't win with the dishonest leftwingers either.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:37 PM
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48. I did- I brought up the Cleland fiasco...
Besides Cocoa- this thread is specifically about Tom and his boring, muted, unspectaclar "Please ignore me" response...

All Cleland had to do is tell the truth about Saxby:

"My opponent has ads saying I'm unpatriotic- this is a LIE- a Lie comming from a man who taught girls-basketball while I was on Hill # 31. A man who lists "jogging" as a hobby on his web-site, yet avoided the draft due to "bad knees." Mr. Chambliss, I dont even HAVE knees anymore, and you are a liar and a hypocrite for calling me unpatriotic."

But since Cleland refused to tell the truth about his opponent, he got burned.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:44 PM
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49. Daschle's was the LEAST boring in that article
read the article, forget about Cleland, why aren't Kennedy, Clark and Lieberman savaged in this thread like Daschle.

Though Lieberman is the other designated scapegoat. But Kennedy and Clark are often given credit for "fighting" why do they get a pass here?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:55 PM
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53. But Tom is the Senate majority leader...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 05:56 PM by Dr Fate
Come on Cocoa- I appreciate you wanting to stick up for the guy- he IS our "leader" supposedly, but this thread is about Tom's interview, not other DEMS...

-let's not deflect to other DEMS- this is about our Senate LEADER in particular...MANY DEMS in the base feel that he does not fight hard enough, or at all. Some of this is perception- but WHERE did that perception come from?? From actual examples of Daschle being too timid.

He choose to "respond" and I think he did so poorly. So do many other DUers. He could at least take the time to read what the base is thinking on the internet- like Clark & Dean appear to do. Tom seems caught up in these old-fashioned rules that are getting us nowhere...

He is "nice", yet they ATTACK- ATTACK-ATTACK. I would like to at least TRY a different strategy for once- and just tell the truth about Bush...

Kennedy and Clark DO fight harder than Tom- that is why that perception exists- I dont think it came from out of the blue...

I am SICK. I am TIRED. I dont know what to tell you.
Perhaps Tom did use the right strategy and I am just missing somthing- none of the nice guy crap seems to work, I REALLY dont think voters respond to it...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #49
54. Actually- Clark's is better- he flat out accuses Bush of exploiting 9/11
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 06:02 PM by Dr Fate
There is a big difference...

Presidential candidate Wesley Clark said the ad is wrong and ought to be pulled. It violates "the pledge the president made to not exploit 9-11 for political purposes," Clark said on CBS' "Face the Nation."


It's wrong. It's erroneous, and I think that they ought to pull the ad," Daschle told NBC's "Meet the Press" program on Sunday.

"We all want to defeat terrorism," the South Dakota senator said. But "to chastise and to question the patriotism of those who are in opposition to some of the president's plans I think is wrong."

See the difference- Clark accuses Bush of being dishonest- of exploiting 9/11- not as strong as I'd like, but a start.

All Tom really does is accuse them of "chastsing" us and being "erroneous." Boo-hoo hoo.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #54
62. lame
if the statements were reversed you would still be trashing Daschle and praising Clark.

The fact is, they're all saying the same thing, it's clearly coordinated, which brings up that other whipping boy, the DNC and McAuliffe.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. No, I dont think so...
...I've given Tom credit when it is due- like his speech on hte morning of the fillibuster- which I stayed up all night and watched...

I saw MANY DEMS stand up and fight in hte wee hours of the morning, while no one was watching.

This may be coordinated, but I'm not that impressed. The ad will run and the "unpatriotic" lable will stick, unless the tables are turned on Bush ASAP- I like Clark's angle of making it an honesty issue- Bush "breaking his pledge not to exploit 9/11" is a good one...

If this is coordinated, then I'd really like to see a shot across the bow, the ad is a lie. Call it that.

I'd like to see them all be more confrontational...
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:27 PM
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44. Write to the RNC and complain!
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 05:29 PM by Angel_O_Peace
I did O8) You can just enter an email address...or nothing at all, if you want to be totally anonymous.

http://www.rnc.org/contact/contact.htm

I am amazed, appalled, indignant and downright disgusted that the President of the United States would go back on his word to NOT exploit the horror of September 11, 2001, for political purposes. By running the Republican campaign ad in Iowa, and again set to be aired in New Hampshire, all prior to the Democratic debates, is nothing short of selling out on that promise. The attacks and deaths that happened on September 11, 2001, were beyond tragic, and forever changed the tone, temper and climate of this country. There has been a war on defeating terrorism for many years prior to that date. It is egregious to use the lives lost and the families that are still suffering all in the attempt to dismantle the Democratic debates, and offers more the message of stifling dissent, once more showing that our rights as Americans are to be discounted. It's one thing to push political sway through ads aimed at the general public. It's another thing to use the horror of September 11, 2001, to bolster popularity. It's heartless and cold.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #44
47. As many voters will see this as they did Tom's muted response!!!!
Translation: Bush/media does not CARE. They will LIE AND LIE AND LIE until somone (Not Tom, oh no) Calls them a (GASP!!!) LIAR!!!

And uses the word- "liar"- its the truth- so SAY IT!!!.

IF Tom had guts, he would have said somthing like:

"Bush is lying by calling us unpatriotic. I invite him to come to the senate floor and repeat this lie in front of our non-AWOL DEM veterans, to their faces. This is a LIE. Unlike Bush and Cheney, I served in the military and I will not stand for anymore lies about our patriotism."
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #47
55. Regardless of your opinion
i still think if many people write to the RNC, flood their mailbox with negative responses to this ad capmpaign, maybe, just maybe, it can have some affect.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. GO for it. I'd write the DEMS too though...
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 06:09 PM by Dr Fate
Write the GOP and let them no how you feel! I guess it couldnt hurt- they will probably laugh at it though...

You may want to write the DEMS and demand a more agressive response- demand that they take on this issue NOW before Bush/media has time to fully distort it...

I like Wes Clark's angle- he accused Bush of "breaking his pledge not to exploit 9/11". More forceful and it reinforces the fact that the ads are dishonest...

Why not go ahead anfd frame this a s Bush breaking his "pledge"- I like it.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. So will you join me, Dr Fate?
and write both the RNC and the DNC? O8)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. I have been writing to the campaigns about this type of thing...
And I am pretty active with couple of DEM organizations...I have not written the DNC in years! I'll think about it and what I can write.

I wont discourage this either- not good strategy. You should write letters and I do not do it as much as I used to/should...

Perhaps a good letter to the editor on this particular ad would be good too...

I think the "Bush breaks pledge by exploiting 9/11" may be a good angle...

Sure- I will do somthing about it- thanks.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:30 PM
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45. Demand that the wind stop blowing.
Beseech the sun to not rise in the east tomorrow morning.
Complain that you get wet when you stand in the rain.
All will have the same effect. You'd think the pink tutu "let's-play-nice" types would have realized that by now.
It's past the time for clenched fists. It's time for clenched fists with brass knuckles. :grr:
And the best part is, we don't have to lie one bit -- we can dismantle them with the truth.

When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose, Tom.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:46 PM
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50. Dems need to respond to this the way repukes would
Bush making the war on Terror a Partisan Issue
is a Disgraceful disservice and Moral buster
of Dem Troops .
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Dan Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:49 PM
Response to Original message
51. Its called Tic for Tac
Or fight back... rather than beggin' please don't hurt me.

Attack with the truth,

we are in a war because of White House lies;

In this war, regular Americans are dying,
while White House Contributors get rich
on our blood.

Bush may in fact be the Commander in Chief,
but before he can lead, he must confess..
what did he do with the 18 months of Military
Service when he had a chance to fight...

Even worse, if he is our leader, and can lead us,
during these times, then why does he hide...
Lead us - Mr. Bush, go to Iraq and visit the troops,
walk the streets of the Major cities of Iraq,
and show us, we have nothing to fear...

P.S. be sure to take others in your administration with
you on the tour of the Middle East.

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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:13 PM
Response to Reply #51
59. TIt for Tat
n/t
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monobrau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:54 PM
Response to Original message
52. Quit crying and fight
We need to quit whimpering and taking these pigs head on.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:30 PM
Response to Original message
63. Yes, Virginia, there *is* a difference between Dems and Repugs
Plain as day, in fact. The Repugs are framing public discourse. Dems are whining.

It doesn't matter that the Repugs are lying. It doesn't matter that they're debasing society with their McCarthyism. Of course they are.

What matters is that they are seizing the moment of their great calamity - their double failure domestically and internationally - and recasting it in terms of loyalty and fealty to the Great Leader. Successfully.

Demanding the ads be pulled is a terrible misstep, akin to running to teacher because the bully pushed you down on the playground.

Step up and fight for once, Daschle, you spluttering, corporation-pleasing worm!
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rhino91063 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:23 PM
Response to Original message
66. Looks like we need to donate more money
To the DNC, Move On Etc. Only by matching there fund raising machine do the forces of good stand a chance against bush.

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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. We also need to hound the media
Maybe some of them will care enough to stand up to these bullies!
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BurntIceCubeTray Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:39 PM
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69. Where is the fairness document?
This commercial should be followed by a Dem response.

It's the only way to be fair. No party should be able to make their point without a required rebute.
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