Dissident CIA faction 'exposed'

[sabra]

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19739772%255E1702,00.html


Dissident CIA faction 'exposed'

A HIGH-ranking Republican congressman has exposed what he sees as a dissident faction within the CIA that he says "intentionally undermined" the policies of US President George W Bush.

Rumours about the existence of such a group have circulated in the US capital for a long time, but the comments by Representative Peter Hoekstra, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, marks the first time they were confirmed by an official with intimate knowledge of the intelligence community.

"In fact, I have been long concerned that a strong and well-positioned group within the agency intentionally undermined the administration and its policies," Mr Hoekstra wrote in a letter to Mr Bush dated May 18, and made public today.

The CIA has refused to comment on the charge.

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The allegations stem from a Central Intelligence Agency leak investigation that centred on former CIA operative Valerie Plame, whose husband, retired ambassador Joseph Wilson, made a 2002 trip to Niger to check on reports that Iraq had secretly tried to purchase uranium ore there.

:crazy:

[villager]

1. ah, the long knives come out....

The elites go for each others' blood....

[papau]

2. Hoekstra could not stop the firing of his friend Porter Goss - so he sees

a "Dissident CIA faction" rather than seeing Goss as incompetent.

[leveymg]

3. Related backstory by emptywheel. No mention of this reported CIA pogrom

there or at the New York Times, as far as I could find. Hoekstra has been aggitating against the Wilsons and their friends since the git-go. Nothing really new here.

Big question mark about this story -- sourcing seems rather odd. Fox Australia?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/9/91545/28116

[otherlander]

4. Not only are they undermining us...

but they also have a plan to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids!

[IndianaGreen]

5. Hoekstra is a new incarnation of Joe McCarthy

He will be the one to start the finger pointing as to "who lost Iraq?"

[ninkasi]

9. How many times

will we have to relive the old, old story of vanquishing the evil overlords? it has been a theme in memory, and legend, since recorded times. The countries, and the dictators, and the weapons change, but the story never does.

[oasis]

6. CIA=CBS and Plamegate=Rathergate. So, that's how they'll play it now.

:think:

[Lostnote06]

7. CIA request for leak investigation initiated the Plame affair???

...Good Ole Congressman Pete may end up hoisted upon his OWN petard, since his wink'n nod as Intelligence Big Guy let slide massive Executive branch violations re: wiretapping/financial data mining

[Posteritatis]

8. Uh, wow

Okay, there's been a lot of rhetoric going around, but something like that's a pretty serious accusation. I wonder what he's got to back it up, and what could come out of that.

[SoCalDem]

10. But.. apparently they were not all that effective or powerful

He's still in the WH, the wars are still cranking out casualties and the investigations are not exactly in full swing..

[Occulus]

11. Okay, I'm confused.

Is this thread talking about the same event?

Or are these completely unrelated?

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Yes, that is the letter they are referring too

but Hoekstra's reaction seems to have morphed in the last few days?

I'm confused to.

[HuffleClaw]

12. BWHAHAAHAAHHHHAAaaa

CIA is gonna be PISSED. you'd think they'd learn. you do NOT fuck with CIA without consequences.

[Disturbed]

13. CIA nuetered.

The Bush Regime plan worked. Lie about WMD in Iraq. When none were fund blame the CIA for faulty Intell. Tenet went along. Then he started to object. He was given a Medal. He was fired. DOD wants the CIA under their control. Goss objected. He was fired.Hayden will comply to Negroponte's orders. The CIA will bow to the Bush Regime.

[Ghost Dog]

17. So they say. It's DoD intelligence

(and 'special ops') now, run quite directly by the Rum One. See eg. Sy Hersh here:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060710fa_fact

Sam Gardiner, a military analyst who taught at the National War College before retiring from the Air Force as a colonel, said that Rumsfeld’s second-guessing and micromanagement were a fundamental problem. “Plans are more and more being directed and run by civilians from the Office of the Secretary of Defense,” Gardiner said. “It causes a lot of tensions. I’m hearing that the military is increasingly upset about not being taken seriously by Rumsfeld and his staff.”

Gardiner went on, “The consequence is that, for Iran and other missions, Rumsfeld will be pushed more and more in the direction of special operations, where he has direct authority and does not have to put up with the objections of the Chiefs.” Since taking office in 2001, Rumsfeld has been engaged in a running dispute with many senior commanders over his plans to transform the military, and his belief that future wars will be fought, and won, with airpower and Special Forces. That combination worked, at first, in Afghanistan, but the growing stalemate there, and in Iraq, has created a rift, especially inside the Army. The senior military official said, “The policymakers are in love with Special Ops—the guys on camels.”

...

...and not under 'Congressional Oversight' (whatever that means these days) either.

[CJCRANE]

14. The neocons, their cronies, appointments

and associates are the "dissident faction" not the regular agents/bureaucrats trying to do their jobs to protect America.

[formercia]

16. Dissident CIA Faction=

Loyal Americans upholding their oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

[KKKarl is an idiot]

18. Constitution

When the president is sworn in. He affirms that he will defend the constitution of the United States. This is done by a judge. This means he could & should get prosecuted for perjury. So when we have a person in the CIA who says wait a minute this against the constitution I have to report it. Then we have the WH trying to stop this so called dissident.

[formercia]

21. At the CIA

On your first official Day when you are sworn-in, you are told that it is your duty to question and report any illegal order.

[Demeter]

22. That's Treason--Not Perjury!

Treason is breaking your oath to the nation--perjury is lying about a crime. Bush is guilty of both, but we do shoot traitors, or have in the past. Especially during wartime. If I were in the GOP, I'd sit tightly with mouth shut and smile.

We in Michigan could really survive the loss of Hoekstra. He is no asset.

[Posteritatis]

29. The spooks, the good guys? We're through the looking glass now... (nt)

[cprise]

19. Paranoid Conspiracy Theories.

But its from a right-wing source, so the press treats it seriously.

[Posteritatis]

30. I dunno, really; I can believe it.

The CIA's not a small organization, and by and large I can't believe the people in it are nearly as broadly dumb as a lot of folks seem to think. If folks start talking about dissident factions within the CIA trying to stonewall the President, I don't think, "yeah, right?", I wonder why it took people so long to start talking about it.

[RCinBrooklyn]

20. I think real patriots are those undermining this president anywhere.

[alfredo]

23. How many times have i said that you don't want to

fuck with spooks. They will get even.

[sutz12]

24. Where did this come from?

I thought BushCo fired all of the Democrats from CIA. :sarcasm:

[personman]

25. Bush and intelligence are natural enemies. nt

[LostinVA]

26. Don't piss on the spooks -- is this dude nuts?

Good grief... even the librarians at the CIA are officially spooks....

[kineneb]

27. once a spook, always a spook

The agents may not work for The Company, but they never really "retire" until they are dead. BushCo better watch their backs.

[LostinVA]

28. I know... and I wasn't kidding about the librarians, either

[dogfacedboy]

31. It will probably be the spooks who save us from

complete Neo-Con rule.