Democratic senators say Iraq is close to civil war (Biden and Reed)

[Barrett808]

CAPITOL HILL (AP) Democratic Senators Joseph Biden of Delaware and Jack Reed of Rhode Island say the sectarian violence in Iraq is reaching a critical phase.

Biden, who has visited Iraq seven times, says Baghdad is "a city in tatters." The ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee cites Sunday's killings of some 40 Sunni Arabs by Shiite gunmen "in broad daylight" as an indication of what he calls "a nascent civil war."

Reed, just back from his eighth visit to Iraq, says the Iraqi leadership and U-S forces need to address the problems with the country's emerging government, shattered economy and ruined infrastructure in order to prevent the violence from spiraling into an all-out conflict.

The Rhode Island Democrat, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, says incidents involving U-S troops, including the rape and murder charges against four soldiers, play into the hands of the insurgency. He says such episodes become "grist for the propaganda mill."

Senator Jack Reed, D-R.I., Senate Armed Services Committee member, in news conference Rhode Island Senator Jack Reed, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, just back from Iraq, says the U.S. doesn't have a plan for Iraq.

http://www.wftc.com/news/national/story.asp?1654400

[BOSSHOG]

1. The civil war in Iraq has already started

The only thing lacking is a formal declaration from one side or the other. The killings are well on their way.

I must disagree with Senator Reed that we don't have a plan. The neocon plan designed to sate the base is very simple:

More Americans must be slaughtered in Iraq tomorrow so those who were slaughtered in Iraq yesterday were not slaughtered in Vain. Obviously sexual fantasies for trash chickenhawks who wave the flag for no apparent reason.

[blm]

24. Murtha & Kerry have been saying it since they went to Iraq last September

If Biden wasn't so far bent on being the tough Dem on paper he would have listened to them.

[wisteria]

27. I know, and I am also annoyed that the party has decided to make

mild mannered Reed the lead on this. Even Levin is better that Reed at getting our point across. Reed may know what he is talking about- even though he is lagging behind, but he doesn't have the presence.He blends into the background. And, what the f*ck was Biden there for?

[still_one]

2. this isn't news, most of us here so that happening before we went in

where were you then Biden?

[ps1074]

3. visited Baghdad...

They don't 'visit' Baghdad. They visit a tiny part of it called GREEN ZONE. Let these elected officials take a walk to a local market or hospital... Especially those saying things are getting better.

[Ripley]

4. Well. HOW FUCKING NICE OF THEM TO SORT OF .. NOTICE

It is already going on, dumb shits. Oh, wait. Will I be reprimanded for pointing out that the Democrats in office don't seem to have a CLUE as to WTF is going on in Iraq?

Maybe they should cut down on the Day Spa activities. Pedicures can soooo get in the way of Current Affairs...

[meganmonkey]

18. Here's your reprimand:

:thumbsup:

:hi:

[Ripley]

20. Hey!

Shit by god damn. Do we really have to listen to these muthafuckin assholes quip Right points because they are seeking the Presidential golden ring? I think they forget they have a job, NOW.

Bastids.

[flyarm]

5. and how long have they been saying this..when do they actually say

what reporters there have been saying ..that Iraq * is * a civil war...when do they grow the balls to say it??

how many of our kids have to die there before they fucking say ..it is a civil war...

if the dems don't have the balls to say it ..who will??

i personally am sick of biden and all his pandering bullshit..say it joe..or don't say a damn thing..because there is no difference from what he is saying ..or saying nothing at all!

joe has been saying for over a year..Iraq is almost a civil war..what constitutes a damn civil war..people from the same country killing each other..thats a damn civil war!

and our kids are trapped among it..

enough of the rhetoric dems..say it or get the fuck out of the way and let others say it and mean it..you are not protecting our troops by all the bullshit..

fly

[leftchick]

6. perhaps if they dared to wander out of the green Zone

into the Red Zone they would know Iraq is in a Civil war with our troops in the middle. But who could have predicted that? :sarcasm: And what fucking Senators would have listened? NOT these two.

They need to be forced to read Juan Cole and icasualties DAILY, then perhaps they will get a clue.

http://www.juancole.com/

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Over 55 Killed, Including 25 in Sadr City Bombings
Iraq to Ask UN to Withdrew US Troop Immunity

Guerrillas detonated two huge car bombs in a Shiite neighborhood on Monday, killing 25 and wounding 41. The guerrillas set both off in the Talbiyah district of Sadr City, a stronghold of the Sadr Movement of Muqtada al-Sadr. Sunni Arabs accuse a Sadrist militia of having massacred 42 Sunnis in the al-Jihad district on Sunday.

Guerrillas set off two other bombs in the capital, as well. A bomb exploded outside a restaurant, killing 6 and wounding 28. A roadside bomb killed 5 policemen. Gunmen also killed two bodyguards of a judge.

Gunmen ambushed a bus in the Sunni Arab district of Amiriyah in the capital, killing 7 .

That is 44 dead in the capital alone.

The Aljazeera report on the violence in the capital was particularly graphic and touching on Monday evening. You watched it and it was hard to see how this thing comes back together any time soon. You watched it and your heart broke.

CNN's report was less graphic but no less depressing. Scroll down or keyword search to "watch how sectarian killings"

There were also bombings in Kirkuk, Hilla and Baquba. In Baquba, a member of the Diyala governing council was assassinated. The bombing at a Patriotic Union of Kurdistan party office killed 5 and wounded 12. With bodies found in the river, and assassinations, the death toll for Monday in civil war violence was certainly more than 55.

[Ripley]

12. Thank You for helping inform our UNINFORMED DEMOCRATS..

And if I have not told You before.. I LOVE Your kids' drawing! I hope he is doing great! Encourage ART!! :hi:

[coalition_unwilling]

7. The Democratic Party and its figureheads are just so pathetic.

With yo-yos like Biden and Reed speaking for the Democratic Party, a pretty compelling case can be made that it (the DP) does not deserve to govern.

They DO NOT VISIT IRAQ. They visit our own little Fort Apache in Baghdad (the Green Zone).

Brings to mind one of my favorite jokes:

Q: What were Custer's last words?

A: "Where the fuck did all those Indians come from?"

[brentspeak]

13. Reed, that "yo-yo"...

...is one of our best Senators, period.

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[saigon68]

31. They visit our own little Fort Apache in Baghdad

LOL

THESE FUCKING DRAFT DODGERS NEED HUNDREDS OF BLACK WATER MERCENARIES TO PROTECT THEIR SORRY ASSES

[bornskeptic]

33. Jack Reed a draft dodger?

Jack Reed (BS West Point, 1971)

[saigon68]

36. #4^%#@

Was Referring to

1. Joementum Limpmann Dino (Conn)

2. Joey Biden Dino (MBNA)

[Monkeyman]

8. New Talking points for Rove

We have to stay to keep the peace!! place your bets

[flyarm]

9. i just called both their offices..and i must say their phone

answering people do not want to hear complaints..i asked how long will they keep up this rhetoric? i asked when did either of them walk the streets in Bagdad to know how in tatters bagdad is..i said they are fooling no one..and their pandering and bullcrap is damn old...i asked when are they going to tell the truth..of course the phone operator in their offices tried to hang up on me ..but i would not shut up..i just kept talking through their talking bull of alright i will pass you concerns on..i just kept talking..and i said i am sick and tired of over a year hearing bagdad is almost in civil war..i said how come the reporters and the iraqi puppet government has been saying it is civil war for over a year..they are in a civil war..i asked when is biden and reed going to grow balls enough to say it..

i said i am mad as hell and i will do all i can to tell people that they need to shut their mouths unless they have some truth to tell!

i was furious..i said how many children have they talked to and seen in Bagdad?? how many hospitals in bagdad have they visited? how many moms and dads have they talked to on the streets of bagdad?? have they asked the people of bagdad how they like 3 years of limited power in their homes a day?? and feces still in their water?? yummy...

have they walked the streets to ask the people of bagdad how they like bombs going off in their neighborhoods??

i said tell them to shut up, unless they grow the balls to walk the streets and report the truth,...the whole truth,and nothing but the truth...that i for one am sick of the bullshit..i said save it for stupid republicans, because we dems know better!

god i was mad...

fly

[brentspeak]

19. Jack Reed has travelled to Iraq about eight times since January

And you have travelled there how many times?

[leesa]

29. Why is he wasting our money by doing that? What has it accomplished?

[leftchick]

30. BFD!

He flies in and out of the Green Zone a day here and a day there. Listens to the utter horseshit dished out by US military commanders, then repeats the horseshit as if it were true? And I am supposed to be impressed? LOL!

[The_Casual_Observer]

34. Perhaps he ought to stay there more than an hour or two next time

[Jack Rabbit]

10. "Close to"?

These guys are still a little slow.

Of course, it still doesn't compare to the Bush Bubbahs' total denial of reality.

[Strawman]

11. Whatever gets you on Russert, Biden.

This Sunday, you can tell Timmy and the rest of us how you can "do it better," and show everyone how "muscular" Democrats can be.

[Monkeyman]

14. It looks like Kerry is going over.We have veterans asking to go with

We will report the truth if allowed to go. But Bush and company do not want anyone to go but people from Washington

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Do you two clowns need a formal invitation?

What more proof do youi need?

[Xipe Totec]

21. What Civil War?

the gloves came off a long time ago.

It ain't civil by a long shot.

[puffthemagicdragon]

22. 60 dead today

sure seems like civil war has already arrived in Iraq. please make it stop

[karlrschneider]

23. Also breaking: Water close to wet.

:eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

25. If Biden admits it is bad in Iraq...

you can bet that it is far worse! Meanwhile The Decider continues to prance about proclaiming that everything is fine in that Iraq inside his head.

[blm]

28. Biden doesn't have the character to admit that Murtha and Kerry were right

last fall while he was going around condemning their analysis in front of every camera he could find for the last 9 months.

[Doctor_J]

26. Much like the US is "close to being a debtor nation"

:eyes:

[bemildred]

32. Biden and Reed are "close to" being idiots. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

35. It's like falling out of a 10 story window and getting "closer"

to the ground as you go.