Rove: Hispanics are `real Americans'

[sabra]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15015852.htm

Rove: Hispanics are `real Americans'

LOS ANGELES - White House political strategist Karl Rove said Tuesday that the highly charged immigration debate has "clouded" the views of some Americans, leading them to dismiss the importance of immigrants and their contribution to the nation's success.

"Everything that this country is, everything that we have achieved, everything that we hold, everything that we promise, is because we are a nation of diversity, brought together by immigration, and sharing a common dream," Rove told members of the nation's largest Hispanic civil rights group, the National Council of La Raza.

Alluding to the deadlock over immigration reform on Capitol Hill, Rove said the debate had "clouded the views of some people in America and led them to fail to understand that Hispanics, and all immigrants, are real Americans."

"It is vital that our county not fall into this trap," he said.

[orwell]

1. Translation...

...I want to have my cake (immigrants as red meat for border state racist Cons) and eat it too (pandering to growing Hispanic voting block in Southwestern states).

This prick is a real piece of work...

[EFerrari]

3. In 2004, they tried to claim an increase in Hispanic B* voters

which turned out to be a lie. To this day, some people still believe it although it has been debunked.

He's just working on the lie so it will sound even more true next time.

[buff2]

5. Why is that bastard running free,anyway?

I had so much confidence in Fitzpatrick. I thought he would nail that bastard because he is as guilty as hell,but he let him off. Repukes can do ANYTHING and get by with it. I think it will always be this way too,because no one has the balls to stand up for the rule of law and to do the right thing. It makes me sick.

[bdamomma]

13. and rove is doing so well he was awarded with a raise

they should all be sent to the Hague, really. How much BS can a people take?

[unlawflcombatnt]

15. Exactly

And let's not make any distinction between legal and illegal immigrants, in order to make it sound like a "race" issue, instead of a job and wage issue, which the Bush dictatorship has been a miserable failure on.

And let's stress completely unworkable solutions, such as the Senate's comprehensive Amnesty, Open Borders, and Guest Worker Bill. But let's not mention an outstanding House bill, H.R. 98, which calls for employer prosecution and mandatory verification of Social Security numbers through either an electronic strip or an actual phone call to the Social Security Administration.

Below is a copy of the Thomas CRS summary of H.R. 98.

"H.R.98

Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to enforce restrictions on employment in the United States of unauthorized aliens through the use of improved Social Security cards and an Employment Eligibility Database, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Dreier, David (introduced 1/4/2005) Cosponsors (57)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR00098:@@@D&summ2=m&

Latest Major Action: 5/12/2005 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Subcommittee Hearings Held.
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SUMMARY AS OF:
1/4/2005--Introduced.

Illegal Immigration Enforcement and Social Security Protection Act of 2005 - Amends title II (Old Age, Survivors and Disability Insurance) of the Social Security Act to require inclusion of encrypted machine-readable electronic identification strips on Social Security cards.

Requires the Commissioner of Social Security to: (1) develop the strip in a manner that enables employers to access the Employment Eligibility Database (EED) established by this Act; and (2) transmit to the Secretary of Homeland Security necessary information from an individual's application for a Social Security card or number (as determined by the Secretary) for inclusion in the EED.

Directs the Secretary to establish and maintain the EED. Requires the EED to include data on the citizenship status and work and residency eligibility of noncitizens authorized to work in the United States.

Restricts access to EED information.

Prohibits individuals from commencing employment with a U.S. employer absent a Social Security card that meets the requirements of this Act and presentation of such card to the employer.

Prohibits employers from hiring individuals absent verification of identity and work authorization.

Authorizes the Secretary to: (1) assess penalties against employers who knowingly hire unauthorized workers or fail to comply with verification procedures; and (2) bring civil actions against those who fail to pay assessments or otherwise violate this Act. Establishes criminal penalties for such violations.

Mandates integration of Border Patrol and Federal Bureau of Investigation fingerprint databases.

States that nothing in this Act shall be construed to establish a national identification card."

Here is the link to the Thomas site's CRS summary of H.R. 98:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR00098:@@@D&summ2=m&

If this link doesn't work, try the following link: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109
(once you get to the Thomas site, copy & paste the letters in bold below and add them to the very end of the link. That should take you directly to the CRS summary of H.R.98: :HR00098:@@@D&summ2=m& )

Here's another link to a pdf file showing the full text of H.R. 98:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:h98ih.txt.pdf

unlawflcombatnt

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The economy needs balance between the "means of production" & "means of consumption."

[orwell]

20. Thanks for the post...

...Cons will do anything to keep the cheap labor bandwagon rolling. American crony capitalism can not exist without it. It is the lifeblood of the modern corporate state.

Pay people nothing and flood them with cheap credit so they can relentlessly consume beyond their stagnant incomes. It is a short term formula for glittering profits and a long term recipe for disaster.

BTW, the baseline reason for the flood of immigrants over the border was the destruction of the peasant farming class by large scale corporate agriculture in Mexico that began in the early 1900's, in large part due to US corporations.

Ah, ain't blowback a mutha...

[coalition_unwilling]

26. I actually think a large part of the blame must go to NAFTA which

accelerated the flood of U.S. agricultural exports to Mexico, rendering many Mexican peasants redundant, while at the same time not securing a just industrial development policy south of the border to absorb peasants driven off their lands.

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[saigon68]

21. Au Revoir

Or as the migrant farm wokers say

Adios Amigo

[buff2]

2. Pandering for the hispanic vote for the fall elections

That fat ass moron is soooooo transparent it isn't even funny.Wonder how many will fall for it?

[deadparrot]

4. Thanks for the clarification, Karl.

I was under the impression that brown people weren't "real" citizens of this country. :eyes:







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[unlawflcombatnt]

17. No, only ILLEGAL immigrants are not "citizens" of this country,

regardless of their skin color.

[Indy_Dem_Defender]

6. Turd Blossom is just preparing

for George P. Bush run for office, Kid has no chance of winning anything with out the hispanic vote.

[EFerrari]

8. Jeb. n/t

[bemildred]

7. And Rove is a "real asshole". nt

[Terran1212]

9. La Raza should see right through his bullshit

[heliarc]

10. Sorry, but I've always hated that moniker... "La Raza"

Doesn't it seem a little racist itself ... Literally "the Race" as if it were singular in importance.

Someone help me to understand it please. I'm Chilean American, so I'm not necessarily hostile to the idea if someone could explain it to me a little better, but to me it seems to prefer one Latin American Community over all the smaller ones... That might simply be a majority rules sort of equation, but there's something a little "Final Solution" about how its used in this context. Not my favorite title personally for "my people" I tend to prefer "El Pueblo," Literally; "The town" or "the People" to define Latinos... It seems more inclusive.

[Bridget Burke]

11. José Vasconcelos invented the phrase "La Raza Cosmica"...

He was minister of culture after the Mexican revolution of 1910-1920. As part of his work, he sponsored the works of the muralistas--trying to build a Mexican culture in a country where the upper classes had looked to Europe for inspiration. Here's what Wikipedia has to say.

The phrase "La raza cosmica", in English "the cosmic people", embodies the notion that traditional, exclusive concepts of race and nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity's common destiny. It originally referred to a movement by Mexican intellectuals during the 1920s arguing Mexicans have the blood of all the world's races (white, black, Arab, Amerindian and Asian) and therefore transcend the world....

It has come, often in its shortened version "La Raza" to refer to the mixed race people of Latin America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_C%C3%B3smica

La Raza does NOT exclusively mean Mexicans or Mexican-Americans, but the phrase became popular during the struggles for Chicano rights. The majority of "your people" in the USA have Mexican, Central American or Caribbean roots. The South Americans immigrants I've known tend to come from more prosperous backgrounds & pride themselves on their European roots.

Learning more about the history of Mexican-Americans in the USA will demonstrate the wrong-headedness of your "Final Solution" comment.

[heliarc]

25. Thanks for the history.

Very enlightening and actually encouraging. But I distrust the translation at Wikipedia and read the Wikipedia entry before posting. The phrase "La Raza Cosmica" is not directly translated as "the cosmic people" It is better translated as "the cosmic race." That's actually a pretty cool concept if not very early 20th century... don't you think? Also "La Raza Cosmica" is almost never referred to in its complete form... and is almost always abbreviated as "La Raza" which frankly, I find offensive and subverts the original meaning of the concept as a group of people which subsumes ethnic difference in favor of a concept of greater humanity. Plus if you read the Wikipedia definition literally, it most definitely refers to the Mexican race specifically, valuing its "blood" more highly because of its greater miscegenation capable of transcending the world.

And culturally this is probably true. Cultures which have contact with more differing communities experience more alterity and mimetic opportunity than those who are insular. My problem is with the inherent biological pressuppositions that "race" has in the valuation of culture that this concept proposes. That's what I find entirely too last century, and yes, very Volkish and in some respects racist.

As a Chilean-American I don't feel included when Mexican-Americans use the word "La Raza." Sorry, I never have even if those using the phrase mean to be inclusive as you suggest. The tendency you describe of South American immigrants to have more prosperous backgrounds may also be a skewed and biased perspective on your part. I find that they are more likely to be escaping some sort of persecution because of political activity, but that is my own perspective.

[unlawflcombatnt]

19. "La Raza"

"Doesn't it seem a little racist itself."

Certainly seems "racist" to me.
How can a group calling itself "the race" not be considered racist?

unlawflcombatnt

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[varun]

12. So now Rove decides who is a REAL American?

what about liars like Rove and Limbaugh? Are they real Americans?

[Toots]

14. Real Americans out CIA Agents working on WMD proliferation

I don't understand why they keep talking as they have lost all credibility.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. How patronizing.

[JawJaw]

22. Welcome to BushCo's Crumbling Empire

Where Rove's "real" Americans make GREAT cheap cannon fodder in some foreign war,
So that the REAL Americans can stay at home watching TV.

[truthisfreedom]

23. Hispanics from everywhere, no matter where they reside? what a cheap stunt

to throw out "Hispanics" and think it will stick.

[Strawman]

24. "Real Americans" where have I heard that phrase before?

Oh yeah. Guess he won't need to focus group test that one to see how it plays to the base.

Next week Karl McMahon might decide to have the Hispanics turn heel to boost the ratings. He "gets to be the decider" who the "real Americans" are.