Banker found dead in London park . . . .(Enron witness)

[annabanana]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5173228.stm

"A body found in east London parkland has been identified as banker Neil Coulbeck, sources have told the BBC.
The banker worked for the Royal Bank of Scotland, and had been questioned by the FBI about the Enron fraud case.

Police were keeping an open mind about whether the death was linked to the Enron investigation, which involved RBS subsidiary NatWest."

Do we have any "coincidence" theorists here? I don't think so.

[Bethany Rockafella]

1. Very interesting...

[sabra]

2. heart attack?

[katty]

73. Ken Lay...this one...heart attackED--more to come

[Just Me]

77. Seriously, too many to even say, "coincidence".

How can anyone reject the possibility of dark forces at work, here? :shrug:

[saigon68]

3. DID HE GET LEAD poisoning?

[Sherman A1]

5. Makes ya go Hmmmmm.....

[hang a left]

17. that was a good one. nt

[TAPat]

4. Things that make you go "hhhmmmm" nt

[pepperbear]

6. wouldn't it be nice if the UK does the right thing,

if there is indeed a right thing to be done, and investigate this thoroughly?

[ck4829]

7. Homicide Detectives investigating this

[Ilsa]

8. Perhaps he was afraid he'd be extradited like the other three.

He didn't want to face wearing orange jumpsuits and awaiting trial in a Texas prison.

Or maybe someone off'ed him.

[AndyA]

9. It will be interesting to see if they start dropping like flies...

No conspiracy, just cleaning up some loose ends... :eyes:

[ret5hd]

10. Maybe he knew where Lay is hiding...

just sayin'...

[tridim]

26. I don't even need to buy tin-foil any more

Every theory is feasible with this crowd.

Day after day it becomes more apparent that Ken Lay is alive and well. The Empire is starting to figure out how to get away with everything, because they know the media will cover for them.

[MrPrax]

11. Did he accidently

slip off a bridge with a rope around his neck?
Maybe he was out for a walk and forgot he took an anti-coagulant when he accidently slashed his wrist? Cleaning his handgun and forgot it was loaded with 'rat shot'?
Folks can get into all sorts of trouble if they are not careful around public spaces...

[lovuian]

12. It will be heart attack or suicide ... like Baxter and Lay and Kelly

Getting rid of evidence ...

My siggy
Everything is connected and there are NO coincidences...

[BrotherBuzz]

13. Just because Mr, Coulbeck approved the shady transation...

that defraud their employers and investors doesn't mean....

And they are keeping an open mind whether the death was linked to the Enron investigation? :rofl:

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. H'mmmm...... my pet theory: there is massive wealth from Enron and other

situations (likely including the billions "lost" in Iraq as well as from stolen Iraqi oil) set up in secret bank accounts around the world, and the owners of that wealth - including, perhaps, an escaped Lay or his "inheritors" - are making sure that the evidence of these secret accounts is buried very, very deep. Along with anyone who knows and might eventually talk. If Kenny Boy was murdered, it wouldn't just be the guilt of government figures that he knew too much about, but the existence and location of this secret wealth.

These guys are all about money.

[Virginia Dare]

25. Connection to Bush snooping into bank transactions?

as my friend Jefferson's Ghost pointed out yesterday, wealth is never "lost", it merely gets transferred or redistributed.

[fooj]

74. Amen to that.

You are spot-on!

:hi:

[UpInArms]

15. from your link:

Mr Coulbeck was the banker at Greenwich NatWest who approved the transaction which is at the heart of the investigation into the so-called NatWest three.

and some Neil Young lyrics came to mind:

Slipping and sliding and playing domino
Lefting and then Righting, it's not a crime you know.
You gotta tell your story boy, before it's time to go.

Are you ready for the country because it's time to go?
Are you ready for the country because it's time to go?

I was talkin' to the preacher, said God was on my side
Then I ran into the hangman, he said it's time to die
You gotta tell your story boy, you know the reason why.

Are you ready for the country because it's time to go?
Are you ready for the country because it's time to go?

Neil Young

[Ghost Dog]

66. Very nice, UiA. After the Goldrush.

Runnin' dry.

[UpInArms]

67. one should never run dry

[Ghost Dog]

71. (Requiem for the Rockets)

Oh, please help me,
oh please help me,
I'm livin' by myself.
I need someone to comfort me,
I need someone to tell.

I'm sorry for
the things I've done,
I've shamed myself with lies,
But soon these things
are overcome
And can't be recognized.

I left my love
with ribbons on
And water in her eyes.
I took from her
the love I'd won
And turned it to the sky.

I'm sorry for
the things I've done,
I've shamed myself with lies,
My cruelty has punctured me
And now I'm running dry.

I'm sorry for
the things I've done,
I've shamed myself with lies.
But soon these things
are overcome
And can't be recognized.

edit: Can't be recognized, Aquí no pasó nada, ¿oh no?

[suffragette]

16. curiouser and curiouser - more from Guardian

He is thought to have taken his own life. Unconfirmed reports said that he had been interviewed by the FBI as a witness to the case.

The discovery was announced as a Commons emergency debate began on the 2003 Extradition Act, under which the three men are being extradited to the US as part of the investigation into the collapse of US energy company Enron.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1818825,00.html


Hmmmmm....

[htuttle]

18. Probably shot himself...

...twice, in the back of his head.

[daleo]

38. With ratshot. n/t

[lildreamer316]

19. Who has the movie rights?

's all I have to say.

[Sadie5]

20. If they keep killing off their own

Who will be left to claim the fortune they have amassed? No wonder Bush has so much security at taxpayer expense. But I do think the suicide via rat pellet gun, and heart attack theory is looking a bit suspicious.

[catzies]

41. Mark Cuban produced "The Smartest Guys In The Room;" maybe the

sequel will be "The Smartest Guys Who Are Left."

[Canuckistanian]

21. Move along, citizens, nothing to see here

Why don't you go shopping?

[City Lights]

46. Only thing missing from your post...

[Canuckistanian]

65. Respect mah authoritah!

[mediaman007]

22. These Enron guys are just lining up to get to the "hereafter!"

[drm604]

23. You know, I really REALLY resist putting on that hat

but sometimes they practically force it onto your head! :tinfoilhat:

They have to know how bad this looks. I can only figure that, as unseemly as this appears, the alternative is worse.

[fooj]

75. Bottom line...

They don't CARE how bad this looks.

[rman]

24. hmmmmm

[raccoon]

27. This sounds more and more like a Robert Ludlum novel. nt

[Botany]

28. Something smells fishy

[suffragette]

39. It certainly does

Some more oddness here:
Initial reports said he was found hanging from a tree. Police said today the body was on the ground in woodland when they arrived.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=410695&in_page_id=2


Shifting story, shifty situation.

[0007]

29. David Kelly and Cliff Baxter come to mind immediately upon

hearing of this death.

[Binka]

31. I Think You Mean Kelly

Kay was the dude in Iraq looking for WMDs.

[0007]

33. You're absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Binka]

34. No Problem

This thing stinks to high heaven no matter what the names of the players. :hi:

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. Same here!

...where's my damned tin foil hat! ...

[flyarm]

30. if i remember correctly didn't another London witness die as well..

jump out a small hotel window..a woman i believe...i can't remember all the details..but i vaguely remember another woman supposedly jumping out a small London hotle window..and i think she was a witness as well..

wish i could remember more about it..i don't have time now but i will check my files when i return..

fly

[Lostnote06]

32. I wonder if their surveillance(society)cameras were functioning?n/t

[flyarm]

40. i think her name was Kathrine Ward..american lawyer jumped

from hotel in londond./.i do not have time to look it up right now..maybe someone else can..

i remember bits..sorry..but i think she had ties to enron..but i could be very wrong..in a rush to get out now..

fly

[Mrs. Overall]

44. Ward was connected to Abramoff in some way.

[smirkymonkey]

78. Katherine Ward....

Mystery of leading lawyer's suicide leap from hotel
By Steve Bird and Jonathan Richards

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1970806,00,00.html

Friends of a woman who had a nearby flat are stunned by her sudden death

"Katherine Ward, a 52-year-old lawyer for Rolls-Royce, fell 100ft from the fourth floor of a four-star hotel as horrified onlookers watched

A SUCCESSFUL Rolls-Royce corporate lawyer leapt 100ft to her death from an hotel in a public suicide.

Friends and neighbours of Katherine Ward, 52, were mystified last night why the vivacious, talented and wealthy solicitor took her own life.

The woman, who was originally from America but became a British citizen five years ago and was working as a senior executive at Rolls-Royce, was clearly seen to be distressed as she clambered on to the ledge outside the fourth-floor hotel bedroom that she had booked into the night before.

She killed herself at Jurys Hotel, South Kensington, West London, less than half a mile from her flat....(more)"

[quiet.american]

35. Another "walk in the woods" a la David Kelly?

And note this co-incidental trivia: His wife reported him missing on Shrub's birthday.

[Straight Shooter]

37. That would be July 7

Didn't Kenny Boy *cough* die *cough* on July 6?

[catzies]

42. Shrub's birthday is the 6th; Kenny-boy's heart attack was on the 5th

n/t

[electron_blue]

79. nm

[one_true_leroy]

36. first they came for the molecular biologist...

then the bankers...

mathematicians next?

:tinfoilhat:

[skids]

43. "We believe we know the identity of the man?"

"We believe know the identity of the man but detailed inquiries are ongoing to confirm this."

Now there's a peculiar quote. Especially in the face of his wife reporting him missing.

Is it that he was attacked in a disfiguring manner? (Naturally they won't say so in this case as knowlege of unpublicised details is a good way to idenify a killer.)

Or did he simply have an embolism and get munched on by some wildlife?

Or is it just a dead hobo they are using as cover while they set up witness protection?

Or are they going to do DNA tests because they think it might be a very expensive body double?

Who even needs to watch CSI these days?

:tinfoilhat:

[judaspriestess]

45. Ken Lay died of a heart attack?

Just kidding.

[shance]

47. Another Enron figure found Dead

Even as Houstonians prepare for today's memorial service for Ken Lay, British media reports the death of another man implicated in the scandal that won't leave the headlines. (At least the British headlines?)

The body of a man believed to be linked to a US probe into a financial scandal involving NatWest has been found close to his home.

Neil Coulbeck had gone missing from his home in Woodford Green, east London, on Thursday.

Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said: "The man had been interviewed by the FBI. We don't know how important to the investigtion he was but FBI sources suggest he was a pivotal character in the case."

Mr Coulbeck's body was discovered in Waltham Forest, east London. He was Head of Group Treasury at the Royal Bank of Scotland and is thought to have been a possible witness in the NatWest Three case.

The discovery comes as MPs debate the controversial decision to extradite three British bankers - dubbed the NatWest Three - to the US to face charges over the scandal. The men, who previously worked for NatWest, are accused of taking part in a multi-million pound fraud connected to the collapse of Enron.

All three - David Bermingham, Gary Mulgrew and Giles Darby - have denied any wrongdoing. They could spend up to two years in a high-security US prison awaiting trial unless they are granted bail.

The move to send them to Houston, Texas, is at the centre of a row over Britain's extradition agreement with the United States.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/enron/story/0,,1818833,00.html?gusrc=rss

[eleny]

48. Another piece of gangland house cleaning?

[electron_blue]

49. links don't work for me

Do they say how he died?

[katinmn]

52. It's up at Yahoo. Found dead in a park

[madfloridian]

50. Your links don't work for me, but I found this one from The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/enron/story/0,,1818833,00.html?gusrc=rss

I did a search on Neil Coulbeck.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

"The discovery was announced as a Commons emergency debate began on the 2003 Extradition Act, under which the three men are being extradited to the US as part of the investigation into the collapse of US energy company Enron.

It has not previously been suggested that FBI investigators had interviewed colleagues at RBS Group, but a spokesman for the company would neither confirm nor deny whether such interviews had taken place.

"We've said consistently over the last three years that we have cooperated fully with all the relevant authorities," he said. The FBI said it could not confirm details of an ongoing investigation.

The three are due to be arrested by FBI agents tomorrow and taken to be imprisoned in the US awaiting trial, although the British government has promised to stand bail for the men."

[shance]

54. Thanks Floridian. I edited and used your link.

n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

51. Neither link working for me

:shrug:

Did either say how he 'died'? (donning tin-foil hat before deja vu of Kelly begins)

[shance]

55. Sorry. I edited the original post. Give it another whirl.

n/t

[C_U_L8R]

53. Cleaning up all the ties back to the administration

the new republican motto.... no clue left behind

[shance]

56. "FBI sources suggest he was a pivotal character in the case."

Imagine that.

[unda cova brutha]

60. all signs point back to BFEE.

[Uncle Joe]

58. What a god awful mess

Thanks for posting annabanana

K & R

[Dr Fate]

59. "Heart attack"- right? n/t

n/t

[icymist]

61. Banker linked to 'Natwest Three' found dead (Scotsman)

Banker linked to 'Natwest Three' found dead
THE BODY of a former Royal Bank of Scotland executive linked to the "Natwest Three" case has been found in east London.

Neil Coulbeck, a former head of group treasury at the Royal Bank of Scotland, had reportedly been questioned by the FBI about the NatWest Three case. He disappeared from his home in Woodford Green, east London, last Thursday. His body was found on Wednesday in parkland between a golf course and a wood near his home. He is thought to have taken his own life.

David Bermingham, Gary Mulgrew and Giles Darby are accused of an £11 million fraud in which their former employer NatWest, which is owned by RBS, was advised to sell part of an Enron company for less than it was worth. The trio are scheduled to face extradition to the US on Thursday over the alleged fraud.

Bermingham said the discovery "put everything that's happened to us in perspective".

He said: "One day when this is all over I'm going to be coming home to my wife and children and some poor guy is not and my heart goes out to his wife and family."

Read more

We expect US to keep us in chains, says British banker (More on the 'NatWest Three I posted in the GD a couple of days ago, but it sank like a rock.)

JAMES KIRKUP
POLITICAL EDITOR

ONE of three bankers facing extradition to the United States under controversial British laws yesterday told of his fears about the treatment they will face when they arrive in America this week.

<snip>
The three are alleged to have defrauded NatWest of £11 million in a deal with Enron, the collapsed US energy giant, by selling a Cayman Islands-based company for less than it was worth.

Despite repeated appeals from the three men, their families, MPs of all parties and senior business figures, the Prime Minister and John Reid, the Home Secretary, have refused to block or delay the extradition.

The case has sparked a political storm because the extradition will take place under the 2003 Extradition Act. That law lowered the standard of evidence the US authorities must show before Britain will agree to extradite a suspect for trial.
Read more

[daleo]

69. This sounds like crocodile tears

"Bermingham said the discovery "put everything that's happened to us in perspective".

He said: "One day when this is all over I'm going to be coming home to my wife and children and some poor guy is not and my heart goes out to his wife and family.""

Is this guy's death going to hurt or help the Natwest Three?

"He said that he understood almost all of the witnesses the US Department of Justice required for the prosecution of the UK bankers were employees of RBS-owned NatWest."

It sounds like the latter to me. Since this man was a witness that the FBI was "aggressively pursuing" I would speculate that his death would be handy for anyone connected with the Enron scandals, regardless of which side of the ocean we are talking about.

[PassingFair]

62. "Dark Players", indeed.......nt

[goforit]

70. Yah, lets call Judy, She'll fill us in.

[Ghost Dog]

82. Good one. Judy, Judy, Judy? n/t

[pitohui]

63. ok answered my own question

your link is much better than the story i read, i see that he was not one of the three scheduled for extradiction but one of the witnesses

[Rex]

64. So what did this guy know?

Lay, this guy, Baxter, who is next? More skeletons for the BFEE's closet.

[Tight_rope]

68. Oh...Don't tell me... He accidentally shot himself in the "BACK" 5 times.

Like that Canadian guy. If so...they need to stop selling those kind of guns to people.:scared:

[katty]

72. bushie family getting rid of the Enron witnesses-more to come

[Blue_Tires]

76. don't you people recognize an 'ACCIDENT' when you see one?

:sarcasm:

i wonder what the cause of death was

[Nothing Without Hope]

80. Related? Three more Enron banker witnesses to be extradited to the US:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5175058.stm
Last Updated: Thursday, 13 July 2006, 02:08 GMT 03:08 UK

'NatWest three' extradition due

Three former NatWest bankers are expected to be flown to the US to face fraud charges arising from the collapse of the energy giant Enron.

Giles Darby, David Bermingham and Gary Mulgrew all deny any wrongdoing.

They are due be taken to Gatwick airport, handed over to US marshals and flown to the US. It is expected they will attend a bail hearing on Friday.

(snip)

The body of another banker, who had been questioned by the FBI as a potential witness in the Enron fraud case, was found in London on Wednesday. There is no indication that his death is linked to the case.

(snip)

Sure - "no indication that his death is linked to the case." No evidence that it isn't, either. Was the death of the banker colleague of these three Enron witnesses a crude message to shut up or else? I swear, with these people absolutely nothing is beyond possibility. They have no limits at all.

[Endangered Specie]

81. are they calling it "Operation Long Knives"?