Report: Hezbollah intends to transfer kidnapped IDF soldiers to Iran (AFP)

[ECH1969]

Breaking

http://www.haaretz.com/

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. Well, the 21st century was nice while it lasted. n/t

[northernsoul]

19. Yep, see ya in the 7th!

Granted, I'll probably have to kill you for food scraps.

[Poll_Blind]

31. Indeed! LOL! Say, how do I make an MP3 player out of wood and saliva? n/t

PB

[megatherium]

64. By a few and stockpile batteries.

Be sure and put them into a metal, grounded container, to protect against EMP (electromagnetic pulse), when the nuclear bombs start dropping.

[PassingFair]

107. See, now YOU'RE assuming you'll have

saliva!

Debatable!

[still_one]

2. if hezbollah does that, then that may confirm that Iran is behind it

either way, it is a very ominous sign that this is going to be escalated big time unless the super powers push a cease fire, and get all parties to the negotiating tables

[Virginia Dare]

29. Russia and China our only hope....

Bush will do nothing to stop this runaway train.

[htuttle]

37. Don't count on Russia to stop this

Turmoil in the Middle East actually plays toward Russia's interests nowdays. The more turmoil, the higher the price of oil, and Russian oil won't have any trouble getting to market, unlike oil from the Gulf states.

[saigon68]

65. The Chimp is in his full LIHOP mode

Jesus is coming

Its the end of days

[hang a left]

58. consider the source of the article...

If Iran would accept the prisoners they would be nuts. My guess is that it is bullcrap.

[oasis]

77. They've traced the intentions of the kidnappers, but not their whereabouts

Yeah right. :eyes:

[jahyarain]

78. thank Allah

i was scared EVERYONE was believing this horse shit

[katty]

87. and they -like bush want a full on ME confrontation

[brentspeak]

3. That's...just...great....

Not.

[oasis]

4. "Haaretz"...I wonder if CNN will use them as a news source. Update:

CNN and AP now are saying that "there is a 'concern" that Hezbollah kidnappers are seeking transfer of the soldiers to Iran".

[iconoclastic cat]

5. Crap! Please let this be disinformation...

BTW, couldja post some of the text of the article? And maybe some corroborating articles? Some analysis would be nice, too.

[still_one]

7. It may be disinformation, but legitamate news sources are reporting it

[kenny blankenship]

10. Like mobile WMD labs, Hussein-Al Quaeda links, and yellow cake from Niger

all endlessly trumpeted by "legitimate" news sources.

[oasis]

12. Judy Miller is ghost writing.(n/t)

[lumpy]

101. Has Reuters reported the story

that the Israeli soldiers are being sent to Iran?

[Marie26]

8. There's nothing

Just that short statement. CNN has picked it up as well as a "Breaking News" blurb.

[still_one]

11. here is the story

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738310.html

[Marie26]

16. Thank you

I hope, hope, hope, that this doesn't mean Israel is about to bomb Iran as well.

[still_one]

22. I hope not either, but if this continues to escalate

who knows what will happen

The powers had better institute a cease fire, and then push for a negotiation between ALL PARTIES

[Marie26]

38. It looks like Lebanon

has asked for a ceasefire & hopefully Israel will begin negotiations. I just don't have much confidence in the reasonableness of any of these leaders.

[napi21]

6. I really think we should get the hell out of the ME and let them all

just fight out their differences, what ever the hell they are!

I swear, they always blame everything on Israel, but I think they all just hate each other and are determined never to get along!

[still_one]

9. there is some truth in what you say but

I think the MAJOR POWERS SHOULD EXERT ALL THERE INFLUENCE to start a cease fire, and then bring all parties to the negotiating table

frankly, if this shit continues we will be in WWIII

[Virginia Dare]

27. That's what Dubya and Dark Lord Cheney want.....

can there by any other conclusion? They are doing NOTHING to stop it, in fact, they've helped it along at every turn. We're so screwed.

[sabbat hunter]

81. cease fire is easy

hamas and hizbollah release their israeli captives, israel pulls out back out of lebanon and gaza. also hamas/islamic jihad/hizbollah stop sending rockets into israel on a daily basis. israel does not send any missiles into gaza.

how simply is that?

[plasticsundance]

46. Yeah ...I don't remember us getting a written invitation

to go into Iraq. I don't remember the written invitation to overthrow the Iran government an installing the Shah. I don't remember Syria giving France the green light to lop off Syria to create Lebanon.

[Mojorabbit]

13. I knew it!

I posted last night that something would be manafactured to draw Iran in. I do think it is the PNAC's plan. We had to do Iran someway and here it is. Hoping it isn't so but... The global positioning for what's left of the worlds energy resources continues.

[Nikki Stone 1]

49. Bingo.

Iran wouldn't play according to script, so another had to be created.

[laruemtt]

14. so i guess i shouldn't

make plans to start my graphic design program - what with armageddon around the corner and all.........

[muryan]

20. ironically

if this were to descend into world war, once again the united states would not be in the middle of it at the beginning. But due to treaty obligations we would be pulled into the fray regardless

[daleo]

45. Unless you consider attacking Iraq to be part of it

Which, in a historical sense, I think is the case. The U.S. invasion of Iraq set back any hope of middle eastern peace, drastically. Once any sense of an "honest broker" was gone, it was probably inevitable that all hell would break loose.

[muryan]

15. we can hope

that this doesnt lead to further escalation, but sadly it probably will. A department of defense official the other day said on fauxnews(fun to watch them squirm) that if Iran enters into this conflict, the biggest concern would be north korea making a move on the south hoping to catch everyone off guard. There are too many things that can happen as a result of this and none of them have to.

[leftchick]

17. bullshit

This is what Israel is saying. They really want WWIII don't they?

[bemildred]

23. You gotta wonder how they know this?

Do they get daily status reports on the captives?

[leftchick]

30. emails from Hammas and Hezbollah no doubt!

this is so transparent for everyone except CNN and MSRNC.

[Phx_Dem]

50. it was communicated to Israel by an al-jazeera reporter.

[Marie26]

53. link? nt

[Phx_Dem]

54. Haaretz coverage

An Al-Jazeera correspondent said Thursday that he had evidence that the two soldiers - identified Thursday as Ehud Goldwasser, 31, of Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, of Kiryat Motzkin - were alive during the abduction. He said they were transferred to a Shi'ite mosque in a nearby town, where the abductors changed clothes. According to the report, one of the soldiers was transferred in a cab, to make it difficult for Israeli intelligence to locate him. The Al-Jazeera correspondent stressed that he had received the information from a source close to Hezbollah, and that members of the organization refuse to disclose more information with nothing in return.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738310.html

edit: I don't know for sure that the info is from this reporter, I might be mis-read the story.

[Marie26]

59. That's wrong

You'll notice that the Al-Jazeera reporter describes how the soldiers were captured, but he never said that they would be transferred to Iran. That paragraph is placed in close proximity to give the impression that he is the source for the Iran information, when he is not. The Israeli gov. won't name their sources for that information.

Here's the AP report: "JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel has information that Lebanese guerrillas who captured two Israeli soldiers were trying to transfer them to Iran, the Foreign Ministry spokesman said Thursday. Spokesman Mark Regev did not disclose the source of his information."

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/shownews.jsp?content=w071339A

[MrPrax]

80. Did you read it?

The story has NO evidence whatsoever that these soldiers were taken to Iran or that Iranians were involved at all???

After the first paragraph you are told there is concrete evidence? Is this it?

An Al-Jazeera correspondent said Thursday that he had evidence that the two soldiers - identified Thursday as Ehud Goldwasser, 31, of Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, of Kiryat Motzkin - were alive during the abduction. He said they were transferred to a Shi'ite mosque in a nearby town, where the abductors changed clothes. According to the report, one of the soldiers was transferred in a cab, to make it difficult for Israeli intelligence to locate him. The Al-Jazeera correspondent stressed that he had received the information from a source close to Hezbollah, and that members of the organization refuse to disclose more information with nothing in return.???

The information would appear to relate to the information that was disclosed and NO indication whatsoever as to what happened after they were transfered to a cab.

In fact if you go to Al-Jazeera's site...no mention whatsoever? They do mention 53 civillians killed by Israel...but that would be odd for a major for profit news service to allow another outlet to scoop them on an exclusive.

Do you have a link to the original al-jazeera story? Maybe that has more information?

Over the next several hours, IDF soldiers waged a fierce fight against Hezbollah gunmen as the soldiers tried to extricate the damaged tank, in order to recover the bodies and to keep Hezbollah from stealing it. During the course of this battle, at about 3:00 P.M., another soldier was killed and two were lightly wounded. As of press time Wednesday night, however, the tank had still not been extracted.

What would Hezbollah want steal it and why would this be a priority for Israel to risk their soldier's lives to recover in a 4 hour gun battle? Sounds to me that the IDF has made two mistakes here:
1) they didn't protect their troops to begin with...they were in an area where "An initial inquiry revealed that the Hezbollah operatives had crossed the border earlier via a "dead zone" in the border fence not visible from any of the IDF observation posts. There are dozens of similar "dead zones" along the northern border, though the IDF said that observation cameras to cover this particular spot were due to be installed next week."
2) when they crossed the border the met far stiffer resistance than the IDF had calculated...

Seems to be a series of stunning military failures on the part of Israel which are being ignored in favour of even more sensationalized and ridiculous claims by the both Israeli political and leadership leadership.

[Amonester]

61. I can't help but to see many *similarities* with that *fake* Poland...

border incident with Germany, in which 12 or 13 condemned criminals were to be dressed in Polish uniforms and left dead on the ground of the scene of the incident, to show that they had been killed while attacking...

:nuke: :scared:

[MidwestTransplant]

36. The reason for the naval blockade and runway bombing

is to prevent this very thing. This in no way means war with Iran is coming (assuming they aren't transferred there). It's the very thing they are trying to avoid.

BTW Hezbollah's primary benefactor is Iran, FYI.

[leftchick]

47. FYI

oh really?!?!?

[Kerri_S]

18. Great.....

This is just the excuse Israel needs to attack Iran, and of course the US is also going to be involved at some point. Here we go, everyone... World War III is looking more and more likely.

[Theres-a]

25. Here we go...my thought as well.

Welcome to DU kerri :hi:

[Kerri_S]

62. Thanks for the welcome, there-s a!

I'm not sure if this report is 100% true, but things are getting worse over there so quickly that it might be true.

[snappyturtle]

41. Welcome Kerri..........

there are days that life is just..........living hell. This news, if true, is so depressing. I don't know about anyone else but we might as well enjoy to the upmost what normalacy we have remaining. As for my husband and me, we're going to CSNY's Freedom '06 Tour concert this weekend. Seems appropriate....."the times they are a changin'"....every minute it seems to get worse. I'm off to my studio to make peace buttons---god, where are my love beads?

[Kerri_S]

69. Thanks for the welcome, snappyturtle!

It looks like the Middle East decided to join President Bush on the crazy train.

[shadowknows69]

56. The media has been spewing for days

about how Pres Bush is acting contrary to the run up to the Iraq war and really pushing diplomacy. He's going to let Israel start WWIII for him and then of course we have to defend them.

[Kerri_S]

66. Yes...

Who knows what's *really* going on anywhere because of all the BS, disinformation and propaganda, but that's pretty much my take as on it well. <sigh> This whole thing just is not good, and has the potential to become *very* serious globally.

[htuttle]

21. Get yer fresh, hot casus belli here! Hot off the propaganda mills!

Think for a minute: WHY would Iran allow something like that? What would they be getting out of it? Would allowing Hezbollah to do this advance their cause of retaining access to nuclear technology or hinder it?

I call BS on this. Iranians, though they are lead by a fundamentalist, are neither crazy nor stupid.

[oasis]

24. Me, I gotta have a mainstream news source before I get excited. (n/t).

[muryan]

28. i disagree

however im not entirely sure they are THAT crazy or stupid

[htuttle]

33. Disagree with what?

How would allowing Hezbollah to lay it's problems on Iran's doorstep advance Iranian interests? Do you think Iran acts against what it's perceived interests are? Why would they allow this? Do you think Iranian leaders would sacrifice any of their own strategic position for Hezbollah? If so, why?

Please expand upon what you disagree with.

This allegation seems as ridiculous to me as the one that Debka published the first year of the war in Afghanistan that 'China was harboring Osama bin Laden'.

[closeupready]

86. That was my first thought, too.

I just rolled my eyes.

[hadrons]

26. Why would Iran want these guys???????????????????????

sounds like Judith Miller got a second job

[Jacobin]

32. I don't think they will take them

[Poll_Blind]

42. Of course the answer is: They don't. But it suits the GOI to say so.

GOI = Government Of Israel

The mossad can plant whatever crap-ass story they want, it doesn't mean that anyone will believe it. In the States, maybe in the UK. But everywhere else anyone who reads can figure out the score and where this heading and...most importantly, why.

Part of the Arab stereotype, just like part of the Jewish stereotype or homosexual stereotype is that, somehow, all Arab nations agree with each other and have a secret brotherhood as well as, in this case, having some mechanism to smuggle the captured soldiers thousands of miles away, through several countries, to Iran. LOL! It couldn't be farther from the truth, but the truth is not what's being peddled here.

PB

[allemand]

34. "... Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Thursday"

"Israel has concrete evidence that Hezbollah plans to transfer the two Israel Defense Forces soldiers abducted Wednesday to Iran, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Thursday."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738310.html

Just the usual fog of war/propaganda.

[Phx_Dem]

51. the evidence is coming from an al-jazeera reporter

[allemand]

60. BS

Did you bother to read the article?

"An Al-Jazeera correspondent said Thursday that he had evidence that the two soldiers - identified Thursday as Ehud Goldwasser, 31, of Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, of Kiryat Motzkin - were alive during the abduction. He said they were transferred to a Shi'ite mosque in a nearby town, where the abductors changed clothes. According to the report, one of the soldiers was transferred in a cab, to make it difficult for Israeli intelligence to locate him. The Al-Jazeera correspondent stressed that he had received the information from a source close to Hezbollah, and that members of the organization refuse to disclose more information with nothing in return."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738310.html

The reporter says that the soldiers were transferred within Lebanon.

[Phx_Dem]

79. Yea I mis-read it

thanks for being so fucking polite.

[allemand]

88. You're welcome!

:)

[daleo]

35. This certainly has the potential to spin out of control

Hezbollah hitting border troops and civilian areas in northern Israel, Israel hitting the Beirut airport and military airfields, a blockade of Lebanon planned, bombing and fighting in Gaza...now maybe Iran being implicated (rightly or wrongly).

Full scale war could result. With U.S. troops in Iraq, they might get involved too. "Christians" should be happy about the prospect of Armageddon.

[bemildred]

39. Oh, I think it is. Still hoping Iran stays out of it, but not optimistic.

Is it time to worry about our troops in Iraq yet?
:banghead::banghead:

[Spazito]

40. I am shocked, no, really, shocked that the propaganda is being

catapulted in a timely manner. PNAC agenda is ongoing.

[Swamp Rat]

43. This does not mean Iran wants them nor do we know any of this is true n/t

[Recursion]

44. BS

A) Hezbollah can't get them there, and Israel would rather "accidentally" kill them in a rescue than have them sent there
B) Iran does not want them, and will use every excuse in its arsenal to avoid taking them
C) Between Lebanon / Syria and Iran is a big, big stretch of earth and sky that the US controls (mostly, at least; but this is, btw, the exact reason we invaded Iraq, to control that patch of earth and sky that is between all those places it's between)
D) "Legitimate" news sources don't seem to require confirmation for their stories anymore (unless they're about Rove getting indicted)

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. I need to re-set my clock.

I thought this was all supposed to happen a month ago.

[spanone]

52. How convenient for this mal-administration.

Now we will be able to fire at will.

[Amonester]

67. that... that... that *fake* Poland border incident with Germany...

in which 12 or 13 condemned criminals were to be dressed in Polish uniforms and left dead on the ground of the scene of the incident, to show that they had been killed while attacking...

Who's to be trusted in these *warmongering-for-greed* (and scary) days?
:thumbsup: :scared: :grr:


On edit: I can't type (forgot one 'in').

[Baconfoot]

55. Do they WANT a war then? N/T

[AzDar]

57. Bullshit! Too convenient for the Bushies. It's almost like they want

to bring on their 'Rapture' or something....

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

63. The End

This is the end, beautiful friend
This is the end, my only friend
The end of our elaborate plans
The end of everything that stands
The end

No safety or surprise
The end
I'll never look into your eyes again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need of some stranger's hand
In a desperate land

[zonkers]

68. I think Senor Osama Bin Laden is behind all this.

[blonndee]

84. Are you serious?

[zonkers]

89. No.

[muriel_volestrangler]

70. The Haaretz link to the story is now just the headline - no body of text

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738310.html

Does that mean the story has been withdrawn?

[BrotherBuzz]

74. Link still works for me.

Last update - 19:38 13/07/2006
Israel: Hezbollah plans to move abducted IDF soldiers to Iran

By Amos Harel and Jack Khoury, Haaretz Correspondents

Israel has concrete evidence that Hezbollah plans to transfer the two Israel Defense Forces soldiers abducted Wednesday to Iran, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Thursday.

"We have concrete evidence that Hezbollah plans to transfer the kidnapped soldiers to Iran. As a result, Israel views Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran as the main players in the axis of terror and hate that endangers not only Israel, but the entire world," AFP quoted Deputy Director General of the Foreign Ministry Gideon Meir as saying.

An Al-Jazeera correspondent said Thursday that he had evidence that the two soldiers - identified Thursday as Ehud Goldwasser, 31, of Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, of Kiryat Motzkin - were alive during the abduction. He said they were transferred to a Shi'ite mosque in a nearby town, where the abductors changed clothes. According to the report, one of the soldiers was transferred in a cab, to make it difficult for Israeli intelligence to locate him. The Al-Jazeera correspondent stressed that he had received the information from a source close to Hezbollah, and that members of the organization refuse to disclose more information with nothing in return.

<more>

[muriel_volestrangler]

82. Hmm - works for me now too

Looking at the timestamp, maybe they were in the process of updating the story.

[Terran1212]

71. Damn Damn Damn Damn!!

Israel will go through every country it has half an excuse to go to! Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, and Syria too now? When will this nonsense stop?!

[bluestateguy]

72. Ugh

Well, that is unfortunate, though it's not our problem. We lose soldiers every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that's what I'm concerned with now.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

105. Sometimes somebody says something that's just unanswerable

All you can do is point at the statement and let it shine in all its glorious idiocy for everybody to see. :wtf:

[arwalden]

106. Oy!

:eyes:

[OhioChick]

73. .............

~snip~

"Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Israel had information Hezbollah was trying to transfer the two captured soldiers to Iran, which backs Hezbollah. He did not disclose the source of his information."
http://www.wral.com/apworldnews/9511741/detail.html

[BrotherBuzz]

76. Concrete evidence!

Last update - 19:38 13/07/2006

Israel: Hezbollah plans to move abducted IDF soldiers to Iran

By Amos Harel and Jack Khoury, Haaretz Correspondents

Israel has concrete evidence that Hezbollah plans to transfer the two Israel Defense Forces soldiers abducted Wednesday to Iran, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Thursday.

"We have concrete evidence that Hezbollah plans to transfer the kidnapped soldiers to Iran. As a result, Israel views Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran as the main players in the axis of terror and hate that endangers not only Israel, but the entire world," AFP quoted Deputy Director General of the Foreign Ministry Gideon Meir as saying.

An Al-Jazeera correspondent said Thursday that he had evidence that the two soldiers - identified Thursday as Ehud Goldwasser, 31, of Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, of Kiryat Motzkin - were alive during the abduction. He said they were transferred to a Shi'ite mosque in a nearby town, where the abductors changed clothes. According to the report, one of the soldiers was transferred in a cab, to make it difficult for Israeli intelligence to locate him. The Al-Jazeera correspondent stressed that he had received the information from a source close to Hezbollah, and that members of the organization refuse to disclose more information with nothing in return.

<more>

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738310.html

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

75. We transfer our POWs to Cuba.

:shrug:

[Az_lefty]

83. Exactly what I was thinking.

I'm guessing Hezbollah's Gitmo is in Iran? Not to make fun of this situation, it's incredibly serious.
:hide:

[NoodleyAppendage]

85. BULLSHIT. This is nothing less than the NEOCON pretext to regional war.

If we get involved in a regional war, I firmly hope the American public will WAKE UP and overthrow our own fascist regime.

J

[JCMach1]

90. And just how will they get to Iran? Flying Monkeys?

eom

[Pithlet]

91. kick

[banjoterror]

92. So this is how we get our war with Iran

Last update - 19:38 13/07/2006


Israel: Hezbollah plans to move abducted IDF soldiers to Iran

By Amos Harel and Jack Khoury, Haaretz Correspondents

Israel has concrete evidence that Hezbollah plans to transfer the two Israel Defense Forces soldiers abducted Wednesday to Iran, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said Thursday.

"We have concrete evidence that Hezbollah plans to transfer the kidnapped soldiers to Iran. As a result, Israel views Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran as the main players in the axis of terror and hate that endangers not only Israel, but the entire world," AFP quoted Deputy Director General of the Foreign Ministry Gideon Meir as saying.

Full text at: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738310.html

[banjoterror]

93. whoops joust saw ths was a duplicate n/t

[Dhalgren]

94. That is the most ridiculously fetid bullshit I have ever heard!

"Concrete evidence" that they "plan" to move the soldiers to Iran? Give me a fucking break!

[tridim]

96. "Concrete evidence" = "Completely made up"

At least it's meant that since 2000.

[MrPrax]

103. Make stuff up?

Perish the thought...Israel out and out lying?

Israel softens UN ambulance claim

Israel's army is reviewing its claim that the United Nations allowed Palestinian militants in Gaza to use a UN ambulance to transport rockets.

An Israeli military official said an object seen in video footage might be a stretcher rather than a rocket.

United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan has sent a team of investigators to look into the Israeli claims.
BBC

Shrapnel from beach blast not ours: Israel

ISRAEL has formally denied that its artillery killed seven members of a Palestinian family on a Gazabeach last Friday after a military inquiry found the bomb shrapnel did not come from one of its shells.

Defence Minister Amir Peretz and senior defence force officers moved to deny responsibility after the military initially expressed deep regret about the deaths, which occurred in an area it had been shelling only minutes before.

Mr Peretz said records showed artillery had ceased fire minutes before the beach explosion!

General Dan Halutz said the firing zone had been 700m away!

The Australian

Of course everything else that comes out of the lips of an Israeli spokesman is true...and it is forbidden to think otherwise.

[Posteritatis]

97. I dunno, Bush's claim that Iran abducted them sounds dumber. ;) (nt)

[kenny blankenship]

95. Set it on the shelf next to the aluminum tubes & yellow cake from Niger

[mom cat]

98. Concrete between the ears is more like it.

[Ezlivin]

99. The Bible predicts all of this

That's what Bush and his followers believe, unfortunately.

For those of you who do not know the Fundamentalist mindset, note that according to their interpretation of certain biblical passages, the Middle East must be the site of the final war (Armageddon). The war is to be fought on the "plains of Meggido" and the blood will run to the height of horse's bridles.

I'm not making this up. Someone else already did.

[IndianaGreen]

100. No, this is how we get gas at $4 a gallon

Crude closed at a record high of $76.70 per barrel. Who knows what tomorrow will bring, but it isn't going to be pleasant!

[IndianaGreen]

102. This is disinformation! To get to Iran they have to go through Iraq

and there is no way anybody is going to drive through Iraq.

[MrPrax]

104. Not to mention...

the fact that the US is on both sides of that 'axis of evil' and Mossad has confirmed that it has an active intel programme going on in Iran, especially in the north with the Kurds...

Apparantly though both their intel can spot a plot to blow up the Holland tunnel, but can't keep Israeli kidnapped soldiers from getting to Iran nor does any of their intel work when it comes to unexpected attacks at military border posts and checkpoints where Israeli soldiers are captured in the first place...

I was reading the other threads about how apparantly Israel seemed rather shocked that Hezbullah has 'much' larger range rockets now (all of a sudden) -- intel failure?

Israel seems to know about the travel schedule of a few kidnappers in Lebanon courtesy of al-jazeera (a smear obviously) , but missed the INTEL on the NEW long range rockets firing at them from a faction they have long been fighting?

Something is amiss here...

[slackmaster]

108. Lebanon and Syria are both caught between Iraq and a hard place

:nuke:

[joe_shmoe]

109. **PETITION AGAINST MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAN**

Attack on Iran = WWIII and the collapse of the US. This madness must stop.

It is with grave concern that I observe the growing threat of a new U.S. war--this time against the people of Iran.

For a collection of articles and resources on this subject you can visit this link: http://reseaudesign.com/research/iran/iran_summery.html

I'm starting up a petition which I will be sending out to as many members of Congress as possible. I'm asking for help to get this signed by as many people, possible in the next month. Send it to as many people you can.

http://www.petitiononline.com/n0war1rn /


thanks,
J-shmoe