Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

400,000 year old DNA found in bear tooth

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Can o Beans Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:13 PM
Original message
400,000 year old DNA found in bear tooth
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060714/sc_afp/swedenspainscience_060714171218

STOCKHOLM (AFP) - A Swedish-led team of scientists has discovered 400,000-year-old DNA in bear teeth, the Uppsala University in Sweden said.


The team, made up of Swedish, Spanish and German researchers, discovered the remains of the bear in a cave in Atapuerca, northern Spain.



Doesn't do much to support or refute ID theory, but interesting nonetheless.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. Godless eating machines that wanted our cave-women. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:17 PM
Response to Original message
2. I guess bears really are scavengers!
;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
freethought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
3. Interesting! A "cave bear"!
Edited on Fri Jul-14-06 03:25 PM by freethought
Skeletal remains of cave bears showed them to be nearly twice as large and a full size grizzly bear. That's a big animal.
If the DNA is viable there may actually be a chance of cloning the animal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. 400,000 years is kinda prehistoric, yeah... (n/t)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
4. Whoa, that's VERY old
The oldest DNA found previously (that I can find data on, I could be wrong) is about 50ka, from a frozen mammoth. The article states "It is usually hard to find DNA that is older than 100,000 years." which may mean there is more recent data of something older.

Very cool! What I find surprising is that this find was of a bear found in a cave in Spain, which was probably hot and dry (which usually leads to desication and destruction of DNA). Generally the oldest DNA samples are from organisms found in permafrost.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:20 PM
Response to Original message
6. Bears, the #1 Threat to National Security
(just ask Stephen Colbert) :D

It's time for the Threatdown!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. indestructible bears, at that!
Stephen will have a field day with this one. Maybe he will put more paleontologists "on notice" (like the Journal of Paleolimnology, which I noticed is still on the board!).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:39 PM
Response to Original message
7. What does support ID theory?
And how can you refute religious belief?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Nothing yet.
But some folks have their fingers crossed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Didin't you hear? They found part of Noah's Ark!!!!!1!1
Either that or just a really old piece of wood.

But probly part of Noah's Ark.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
8. Looks like the ID crowd got the story removed?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 04:18 PM
Response to Original message
9. Cloned giant bears ---- on planes!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 04:41 PM
Response to Original message
10. Is the DNA from the bear or from its lunch?
I don't think the article says...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. The bear.
Though I was wondering the same thing. A 400,000 year old lunch would be pretty old. I suppose if it was something that kept refridgerated in the permafrost and resurfaced suddenly. But no permafrost in Spain. Maybe if it was dried like beef jerky. :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 11th 2024, 02:19 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC