Israel PM sets three conditions for ceasefire with Lebanon

[HuffleClaw]

"Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has imposed three conditions for a ceasefire in Lebanon, where Israel has been waging a deadly three-day assault, a Government spokeswoman says.

"The Prime Minister is prepared to finish our operations in Lebanon if Hezbollah releases our two soldiers, stops its rocket fire and if the Lebanese Government decides to implement UN Security Council resolution 1559," spokeswoman Miri Eisin told AFP. The resolution calls for the disarmament of Hezbollah..."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200607/s1687322.htm

[serryjw]

1. Does Lebanon have any

control over Hezbollah?

[SlipperySlope]

3. They Better

Either Lebanon takes control of Hezbollah, or Israel will do it.

[serryjw]

12. Maybe NOT

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Lebanon_Controlling_Hezbollah.html

[Teaser]

52. Israel can't beat Hezbollah

IT was the other way around. Hezbollah is the only arab force to defeat Israel.

[Zynx]

91. They can't destroy them, but they can destroy their capabilities.

In a straight up fight, Israel can beat any force in the world.

[bennywhale]

99. "In a straight up fight, Israel can beat any force in the world."

What do you base that on? That sounds like jingoism (possibly once removed jingoism) but nonetheless something out of a childs army magazine or Rambo-esque type crap. What does that add to the debate?

[still_one]

13. not really, they are too weak

though this is actually a positive overture

[anotherdrew]

29. Lebanon has no more control of them than we do of drug dealers

imagine someone bombing america into the stone age until such time as we stopped buying drugs... it would never end

Hezbollah's threat is minimal. Anyone claiming that Hezbollah truly has the ability to threaten the existence of Israel is a disingenuous fool at best... Handle them as we handle any dangerous international criminal threat, there are many.

[still_one]

31. hypothetically what would the U.S. do if missles

were fired from Mexico into the U.S. from a spliter group?

[anotherdrew]

39. most likely - "the wrong thing"

this isn't about weak inaccurate rocket bombs anyway - or so they say,

it's an excuse for a wet dream of a narrow military elite responsible to no one but themselves. Unable to control the actions of others, but willing to jeopardize the lives of the very people they are supposed to be protecting, all based on a situational understanding deeply at odds with reality. Israel is under NO serious threat. If it were militarily attacked, I'd be more than willing to defend it myself, but what is basicly 'organized crime' doesn't justify these actions.

the US has had some abducted soldiers, we have had 'law men' killed all too frequently too, never have we responded by destroying every bridge we can find, or ruining airports, or destroying people's power plants. Not since the genocide in Viet Nam at any rate. 3 million or more vietnamese we murdered for a bullshit "domino theory" - Today we see the same bullshit knee-jerk murder. So-called "leaders" on all sides leading their own people to slaughter because to make peace would be "a sign of weakness", "better to go forward", knowing that your own children may die in attacks, than to make concessions to "the enemy" :sarcasm: . This is naked, raw, unclean chimp-like primate-class behavior, and unworthy ANY people that claim to have spoken with god. Round up the bad guys the SAME way we round up criminals and there would be no argument from anyone. Redress legitamate grievences, if this had been done decades ago, there would be little or no killing today and no one would be sorry the peace had been made.

[serryjw]

43. I like the way you thin & write...agree 100%

Equating them to a drug ring is accurate. They are an annoyance that needs to be dealt with but this is "naked, raw, unclean chimp-like primate-class behavior!! ( You need to copyright this!). The question is can a fragile country like Lebanon survive?

[Zhade]

85. Fantastic post!

Well-stated.

[daleo]

89. I think you are forgetting Iraq and Afghanistan

"never have we responded by destroying every bridge we can find, or ruining airports, or destroying people's power plants."

Although I agree with the general thesis of your post.

[serryjw]

42. What would the delivery system be

a taco?? Not realistic...I think Hezbollah is dangerous, and can destabalize the area, even if they can not do major harm, to Israel

[mslawstudent]

68. We actually have a historical parrallel for this

Remember I think it was 1914 Pancho Villa was raiding into America.
It was something like warning, warning, and then a target military expedition into Mexico to take Pancho down.
We didn't invade Mexico City or bombard there ports.
Its fairly accepted that sometimes nations are too weak to control their territories and then you give warning then you have a targeted military expedition.

This "what we do" stuff is already answered.

[Yupster]

96. Same thing as we did in 1917

when Pancho Villa crossed the border a few times.

We chased him around northern Mexico for a while until our troops were needed for the bigger war.

[bennywhale]

100. When the IRA were bombing Britan and N.Ireland they were

often planning and launching their attacks from the Republic of Ireland. Britain didn't bomb Dublin suburbs, power stations and bridges, and they would have been quite rightly condemned if they did. This is most similar. you can't justify collective punishment.

[Laotra]

45. Hezbollah

is part of Lebanese governement, with 2 ministers.

[serryjw]

46. sorry, not true

n/t

[Laotra]

51. true

"Post-Lebanese election
After the 2005 elections, Hezbollah held 23 seats (up from eight previously) in the 128-member Lebanese Parliament. It also participated for the first time in the Lebanese government that was formed in July 2005. Hezbollah has two ministers in the government, and a third is Hezbollah-endorsed"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Post-Lebanese_election

[serryjw]

53. True

but considered a 'country' with in a country. The lebanese gov't has lttle control over them.

[Laotra]

55. The western framing

But the fact is that with proportional representation and demographics of about 50% Shia, Hezbollah and Amal would be THE governement of Lebanon.

[serryjw]

61. You appear to be knowledgeable

Why does the news keep saying that Hezbollah is in bed with and financed by Syria & Iran..and nothing about Lebanon. Also, they say the say that lebanon is our best hope for ME democracy?

[Laotra]

63. Because the "news"

is in bed with... well you know who...

[serryjw]

69. That's doesn't give me an answer

to why we are demonizing syria & Iran and not Lebenon....if they are as bad as you say.....Articles back up your belief would be appreciated

[Laotra]

73. Bad?

It's the "we" that demonize others that are "bad".

The psychological origin of Fascism is the "usefull enemy", creating a "we" by demonizing the "other", then fear- and warmongering...

I'm not part of the demonizing "we" of yours, or of the "West" and their simulated truth.

[serryjw]

76. Is Hezbollah the useful enemy?

Under what conditions would they live in peace with Israel?

[Laotra]

78. I believe

Lasting cease fire with land dispute solved and lebanese prisoners released.

Peace in ME would require the Palestinian and Syrian land returned to them along 67 borders and right of return for refugees. AFAIK only Egypt and Jordania have peace agreements with Israel, all other Arab states are still officially at war against the "zionist entity". Arab League has proposed an peace agreement along these lines, with 67 borders they would recognize Israel and trade with it. Israel rejected the offer.

[serryjw]

87. What parts of this do you agree/disagree with?

http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html

[Laotra]

90. Thanks

But not interested in your propaganda feed.

[serryjw]

92. Obviously, you have

no desire to be informative or civil.

[Laotra]

97. Sorry

But my time is limited and I don't want to waste it by debunking tired zionist interpretations of history. Google is your friend, and so is Wikipedia. For further reading I recommend Chomsky, he's Jewish and very knowledgeable about the present and history of Israel.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Why did he bother ?

None of that is going to happen & he knows it.

[Erika]

4. Israel is just now finding out this isn't the 6 day war

and they've got tough opponents. We'll see if Israel is asked to fulfill all the U.N. resolutions against them.

Israel bit off a little more than they could chew, especially concerning world opinion. I wonder how much more we are going to have to give to Israel now in subsidies.

May they learn to be a little more humble and seek peace. W is starting to come around also.

Darn, there goes Armageddon and the Rapture!

[Hardrada]

10. I love your post and most heartily agree.

How have the mighty and would-be-mighty fallen!

[bbinacan]

11. Oh I think you're wrong

If Israel wanted this to be a 6 day war it would be. Ask Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

[Erika]

16. Those were the old days.

Israel is lost in thinking what to do next. World opinion is no longer with them.

[bbinacan]

20. I think Israel could

care less about world opinion. Did they in 67? That is a country I would not want to piss off.

[still_one]

22. Hezbollah will wish they never attacked the outpost and captured

the soldiers. It is quite interesting how many forget it was Hezbollah that killed the 500 Marines in Lebanon, who were under mandate of the U.N.

No other super power will get involved in this affair, and if the neighbors around Israel try to destroy it like they did so many times before, God or Allah help them

[Erika]

23. Don't hold your breath n/t

[still_one]

25. and don't hold yours

the Jews have been through a lot worse

and whether you like it or not, Democrat or Republican in the white house will NOT let Israel fall

[Erika]

27. You're right. Too much corporate money involved

while the U.S. taxpayers keep up the subsidies.

[Behind the Aegis]

40. ...not to be ugly, but have you awakened?

Democrat or Republican, the bigots inhabit both sides! You think that neither will allow Israel to fall...do not think such things. Are liberals the "new Jews?" Are gays the "new Jews?" Are progressives the "new Jews?" NOPE! The "new Jews" are JEWS! The "new Jews" is Israel! To wipe out that country would be devastating to the "Apocalypse now" group, to the "progressive" side; well, they would just do like they did during the Holocaust..."we didn't know that was happening (going to happen)!"

Learn this lesson now...we are expendable!

[still_one]

56. Not at this moment in time

dynamics may change later, but at least in this period both parites will be behind Israel. I am not talking about extremes in both parties who would like to see Israel destroyed. They do not have the support now

as far as your question "have you awakened?", I am the first to be critical when Israel makes mistakes, but when her existence is threatened, and people jump on her as though she is the only one to blame, and it is always Israel's fault, something else is going on here which is much more than a simple discussion of events. It permeates within the threads, and reflects the disdain for the Jews. When remarks are made equating Israel with apartid or nazi Germany, this is more than an ignorance of history or what is happening, this is made from the same "stuff" that has followed the Jews throughout history, but things are different this time. The Jews will not be led to the gas chambers!!!

[LostinVA]

80. This isn't about Jews, it's about Israel n/t

[leesa]

103. Thank you. Some people NEVER learn this distinction.

Israel is a country, not a religion.

[meti57b]

110. ... and being a Jew isn't just a religion, it's a nationality........

whose people have in common, .... common customs, origins, ethnicity, history, language and religion

[Demit]

41. point of correction: it was 241 Marines.

Sorry, I'll just never forget that event, as it happened on Reagan's watch, and soon after was the Grenada "war" he devised to take everybody's mind off it.

[still_one]

57. thanks for the correction

Hezballah has its share of blood on its hands

[Laotra]

47. Hezbollah

Denies involvment in that incident, but considers it justified. SC decision to occupy Beirut with pro-Israel forces was wrong and stupid.

[springhill]

71. The two captured soldiers...........

were in response to the two that were previously captured by Israel just a day earlier.

[LostinVA]

81. Correct -- that keeps getting lost in this discussion

And does Israel's recent attack on Gaza. Maybe if the Israeli government stopped these illegal attacks on Palestinians AND adhered to UN resolutions, I would have more sympathy for them. It's very, very hard for me to do so now.

[JackNewtown]

105. Can you elaborate?

This is the first I have heard of this.

[IndianaGreen]

94. The attack on the Marine barracks was in response to US shelling of Shia

neighborhoods in Beirut. When the Marines first arrived in Beirut, they were welcomed by the Shia. The Reagan Administration threw its lot with the Christian Phalange and had the Navy shell the Shia neighborhoods.

The Marine barracks attack was an act of revenge for the American killing of Shia civilians.

[bennywhale]

101. Israel had woprld opinion on its side in 1967. Most in

the world were very supportive of Israle. how things have changed. Thats why the Anti-semite arguments don't work, because when Israel wasn't behaving like a murderous bully, the world supported them, fast forward 40 years and the world does not. Its not anti-semitism, its Israels behaviour

[Solo_in_MD]

86. Israel never had the support of world opinion

An the Hezbullah is not a militarily strong enemy. They have no IADS, no armor, no aircarft, maybe one tactical missile...its a classic asymetric warfare kind of fight. It is for all intents and purposes, terror against terror and the Israelis are about as good as that as anyone.

[The_Casual_Observer]

33. As if they actually "won"anything but endless grief, bombings

and living in constant fear. They never actually won shit.

[Bill McBlueState]

50. i hadn't thought of it that way

That's a good point.

[The Stranger]

79. You don't seem to want a ceasefire or peace.

You seem to be enjoying this.

[The_Casual_Observer]

95. Why is that? Because I am stating the hard facts?

According to your logic, Israel must really enjoy it.

[cantstandbush]

74. What will Israel do when all their bombs and missiles are gone?

All bullies meet their match sooner or later. This may not be it for Israel but the time is fast approaching.

[JackNewtown]

106. Get resupplied by the US

I don't blindly support everything Israel does but I hope that "the time" you speak of never comes and if things ever reached that point I would hope the US would do everything possible to save Israel's existence.

[still_one]

14. since the inception of Israel there have been six wars where

their neighbors tried to push them into the sea

They bit off more than they could chew? perhaps it is Hezbollah that bit off a little more than they could chew

As far as world opinion goes, the world has been trying to exterminate the Jews since the beginning. Where was world opinion during those wonderful days?

[Erika]

17. There is a difference between the Jews and the Zionists

The Zionists formed Israel.

[still_one]

18. the Zionists were and are Jews

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[wickerwoman]

32. Ann Coulter is a woman

but hating her doesn't make me a misogynist.

[daleo]

93. "the world has been trying to exterminate the Jews since the beginning"?

Jews, Christians and Muslims didn't exist for most of human history. Large parts of the world have never cared one way or another about the Abrahamic religions and they still don't.

The only attempt to exterminate the Jews that I am aware of was Nazi Germany, which was one country for a limited period (which was one attempt too many, it goes without saying). Granted, there have been pogroms, expulsions, and violence perpetrated in other countries and eras, but I am not aware of any that rose to the level of attempted extermination.

The world is mostly interested in the middle east because of the large reserves of oil there. Once that's gone, the world won't pay much attention to it, and the people will probably learn to get along. Maybe a lot of the religious fanaticism will burn itself out, once the control of the oil is no longer relevant.

[JackNewtown]

107. This is a no challenge for the IDF

I agree with your first two sentences but disagree with the third one. I don't subscribe to the notion that international opposition to much of what Israel does is a result of anti-Semitism. Are nations such as Britain and Norway anti-Semitic? Japan, with its obviously long history of anti-Semitism? China? And so on.

[sweetheart]

38. perhaps a slightly deliberate ruse

Israel, like bush, is a predictable fool when it comes to violent lashing out.

If it is indeed true, that Hizbullah has close ties to the iranian revolutionary
guard, and it supplied its missiles by this supplier, then it is merely a frontline
agent for a greater supply chain. Then this action, like iraq, works against
israel and undermines any other military actions it takes in its preemptive regimen
against iran.

[hack89]

44. "May they learn to be a little more humble and seek peace."

Does that also apply to Hezbollah? There are no innocent parties in this war.

[Jose Diablo]

77. Ozymandias

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

[JackNewtown]

104. What tough opponents?

Hezbollah is no match for the IDF and Lebanon evidently has no military.

[Poll_Blind]

5. The Lebanese government has already responded to 1559

From the Lebanese Army Official Website:

THE RESOLUTION 1559

In the slime of what is happening in our Arabic region, and under the auspices of the failure of the political solutions aiming to find a solution to the Arabic - Israeli conflict because of Israel's obstinacy and refusing to return to the table of negotiations and giving free rein to the threats against Lebanon and Syria by its leaders, and intensifying its aerial violations of the Lebanese territories' sanctity and executing terrorist acts and assassination operations against the leaders of the Lebanese and Palestinian resistance in both countries. In this context the resolution 1559 issued by the security council on 3/9/2004 with all its ambiguity and contradictions, is considered an unconventional precedent in the history of international relations, constituting an interference in the sovereignty and independence of Lebanon. The resolution stated the following:

- The withdrawal of the foreign forces from Lebanon.
- Disarming the Lebanese and foreign guerillas.-
- Expanding the government's authority on all the Lebanese territories.And the position of the Lebanese government dealt with the following issues:

- The only foreign forces existing in Lebanon are the Israeli forces which occupy the farms of Shebaa. Whereas the Syrian forces are friendly Arab forces which entered Lebanon according to the Lebanese government's demand and their existence is regulated by the convention of brotherhood and coordination and cooperation between Lebanon and Syria and a copy of this convention was submitted to the united states at that time. - And in this context the Syrian forces carried out five redeployment operations in the Lebanese regions according to the resolution of the mutual military committee of the two brother armies.

- An immediate withdrawal of the Syrian Arab forces according to the security council's resolution number 1559 cannot be executed however the redeployment operations are carried out in cooperation between the two countries and specifically in the framework of the high military committee. The national resistance which is confronting the Israeli occupation is not a guerilla and it has no security role inside the country and its activities are restricted to facing the Israeli enemy. This resistance led to the withdrawal of the enemy from the bigger part of our occupied land and is still persistent to free the farms of Shebaa. Preserving this resistance constitutes a Lebanese strategic interest with the aim of relating the struggle with the enemy and regain all the Lebanese legitimate rights achieving and at the forefront the withdrawal of Israel from the farms of Shebaa and the return of the refugees to their land.

- As for the Palestinian presence in the camps in all its known considerations is resultant from the practices of Israel which expulsed the Palestinians and the resort of a part of them to Lebanon, and most of them live in refugee camps fostered by the United Nations and the UNRWA organization. The Palestinians are claiming the right of return according to the international resolutions and especially the resolution number 194. In this framework the government preserved their particularities inside the camps which the army encircles and does not allow the traffic of arms outside of it and the army offered many martyrs and exerted great efforts to control the situation.

- The Lebanese who are familiar with the ruthless ordeals that the country witnessed during a long period of time paid its price with a huge flood of blood and losses of properties, and knew the ways to escape from the absurd wars and the others' conflicts on their land, and realized the importance of the return of security and stability and prosperity to the country, are those who are fully aware of what serves their interests and guarantees and preserves the independence and sovereignty of their country away from the suspicious adventures which has proven their barrenness, and all the attempts in this field constitute the best evidence.

  Learn more at Wikipedia.

PB

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[Recursion]

54. Here's a hint to those who missed it:

Hezbollah (and therefor part of the Lebanese gov't) is pro-Syrian. Most Lebanese are not.

[HuffleClaw]

6. in pure bush-fashion a list of demands that cannot possibly be fulfilled

pretty sneaky.

[Erika]

7. There are 25,000 Americans in Lebanon

with no escape routes. There will be peace.

[Hardrada]

9. The Ultimatum of Austria-Hungary to Serbia in July of 1914

had a few of those. Luckily Serbia had Russia behind her. Luckily Lebanon, Syria and Iran will have Russia and China behind them.

[saigon68]

21. You have a very very Astute comment ITS 1914 REDUX

back to the good old days

As women waved handkerchiefs, bands played, crowds brayed and men marched off to the slaughter.

[bbinacan]

24. You said

"Luckily Lebanon, Syria and Iran will have Russia and China behind them."

Why do you think this?

[still_one]

30. no way, Russia and China will NOT come to their support

and they will NOT risk a confrontation with the U.S. which is what it would end up

Russia has their own issue with Chechnya, and China has its issues on its western border

[The Bastard1]

15. Unmanned Flying Drone

Where the fark did they get one of these? Sounds like a weapon Iran would have. You think?

[951-Riverside]

26. or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia :)

[JackNewtown]

108. Motive?

Those two nations would have no reason to support Hezbollah.

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[saigon68]

111. Au Revoir voyez-vous

[Laotra]

48. According to Wikipedia

In response to constant violations of Lebanese airspace by the Israel Air Force, Hezbollah few years ago violated Israel airspace with an Iran made drone. The (now denied) story that drone was used againt Israel Navy is obviously based on that earlier history.

[HuffleClaw]

34. Report: Israel gives Syria ultimatum

attn mods: not sure if this source is considered 'legit'.

The London-based Arabic language newspaper Al-Hayat reported Saturday that “Washington has information according to which Israel gave Damascus 72 hours to stop Hizbullah’s activity along the Lebanon-Israel border and bring about the release the two kidnapped IDF soldiers or it would launch an offensive with disastrous consequences.”...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3275886,00.html


- - - all part of the 'plan' i think. they want syria to retaliate. desperately, so they can continue to pretend its they who are the victim. then bush can jump to 'defend' israel.

[Poll_Blind]

35. Yep, I've noticed where things are pointing...they seem to indicate....

...that Israel is trying her damnedest (which is pretty damnable) to bring the U.S. in on a strike against Syria or (in my pet opinion) go for a tandem operation where Israel strikes Syria while the U.S. strikes the Iranian nuclear facilities. Remember weeks ago when Olmert was trying to convince everyone that Iran was a threat to "all of Western Civilization". I don't think the U.S. bit. But the Israelis know that if someone attacks Israel the U.S. will militarily respond almost no matter what the price to itself.

  By the way, a good question is: Why are things like that? Maybe it's better to keep that particular question rhetorical for the time being.

PB

[VLAD THE AGITATOR]

49. USING THE MEDIA

Everyone in Washington is using the media for all it is worth.

Rice, Bush, et al keep avoiding the question of Israel's incursion and instead are blaming Iran and Syria. No mention of Israel's destruction of the only two democracies (sort of) in the area. Israel's 'self defense' looks like the tactics usedc before an invasion; cripple the infrastructure.

Hostages--want them back and wasd the pretense for the actions, but the buildings being bombed coukld be where they are being held, which, to me, seems to be a fake justification of the actions.

For two days CNN has been reporting that X amount of people have died in Lebanon,and X amount have died in Israel, to include a woman and her 4 yr old grandson. No such reporting has been made on the Lebanese side. The Media is giving the Jews a personal face while not doing the same for the Arabs.

Recenty in Russia, Bush said that the us hhas worked hard to help democracy in Lebanon--and now he has condemned it by let Israel run wild. If things continue the democratic govt will proba bly fall to be replaced b y a more readical one.

By allowing this to continue the US and others are helping recruitment of a whole new generation of radicals, which in turn will bring even more probs to the arewa.

Everyone is worried about Iran--well sports the US has given the green light for Iran to become a major player in the ME. Why? The only thing that stood in Iran's way before was a strong Iraq--now with a weal Iraq nothing stands in their way.

The only thing that could be a prob for Iran is that they are not Arabs.

In short--the media is doing everything it can to keep the American veiwer firmly in the Israeli camp. There reporting, for the most part , is not balanced. There is more to this situation than the good guy bad guy scenario that the media protrays.

[laheina]

59. Well said.

I totally agree, and welcome to DU. :hi:

[springhill]

72. I don't think they are trying to do this.........

It's a pre-planned decision for the United States to get involved so they can have their occupation of a couple more countries.

[DELUSIONAL]

36. Timed for the US elections in November

Can't you see Rove -- reassuring bush that the world will see him as manly again -- just as they did when he jumped off the airplane on that air craft carrier. (with the cod piece stuffed in his shorts)

Well maybe not the world -- but perhaps the voters will keep the GOP in office -- or keep the vote totals close enough that a few changes can shift the winner.


We are already hearing -- ignore the polling -- the GOP will win. What do these pundits and corporate media talking heads know that we don't know???

Right now I am very cynical -- we are seeing a dance of evil right now. And I don't trust any of the players.

[laheina]

60. With the added benefit of

furthering the PNAC agenda.

[bbinacan]

37. True or not

and I'm a bit punchy. Too many beers and a bad week. Frankly, I'd like to see Israel say to Syria, "In my hands, I'm holding something that you may want back. It's you're ass."

[MrPrax]

58. LOL...

UN Security Council resolution 1559!!

Since when does Israel care about what the UN says on this or any resolution...as far as 1559 goes, Israel has repeatedly violated...and still occupies Lebanon, inspite of the fact Syria has pulled out over a year ago.

In fact it got so obvious the US, France and UK had to invent another one called Resolution 1680 that avoids things like the farms of Shebaa

___________

Brief History

In 1978, Israeli forces illegally invaded the southern part of Lebanon, and in 1985 declared that part of the country a security zone for its border. In 1982, Israel continued with its invasion up to and including Beirut. The United States, France, Italy and the United Kingdom sent a multi-national force to provide security while Israel pulled back and Palestinian forces left for Tunis.

The multi-national force left Lebanon in 1984. Under heavy fire from the newly found Lebanese Resistance, Israel partially withdrew from central Lebanon in 1984 and 1985 but enlarged its occupation of the southern part of the country up to the area of Jezzine.

On April 11, 1996, following an escalation in intermittent skirmishes, Israel commenced a bombardment of southern Lebanon and certain other targets in Lebanon, including the southern suburbs of Beirut. On April 27, 1996 a cease-fire "April Understanding" came into effect. The cease-fire was based on a written but unsigned agreement drawn up by France and the United States and setting out a position mutually acceptable to Israel, Syria and Lebanon, which expanded and consolidated oral cease-fire understandings reached in July 1993. These arrangements established an international group composed of representatives of the United States, France, Syria, Lebanon and Israel to monitor the cease-fire. Meetings of the monitoring group took place on a regular basis for the purpose of addressing repeated breaches of the cease-fire.

On June 24, 1999, February 7, 2000, and May 5, 2000, Israeli military aircraft attacked several power stations and bridges near Beirut, as part of more frequent recent air attacks on Lebanese territory. The rehabilitation of the infrastructure damaged by these Israeli attacks has been completed.

http://www.shebaafarms.org/briefhistory.html

With a brief history like this, no wonder Lebanese and Palestinians refugees seem to think they need self-defense...

[smitty]

62. Are Irani "advisers" already in Lebanon?

When I hear that word, I get uneasy. Looks as if the proxy war will give way to an Israel/Iran confrontation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_attacked_ship

[IndianaGreen]

65. There is evidence of Iranian, Syrian, Venezuelan and Cuban advisors

assisting Hezbollah. They also have WMDs given to them by Saddam before the US invasion of Iraq. The 20th 9-11 hijacker is their leader.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[muryan]

67. Iran and Syria

are knee deep in it with hezbollah. They are their primary financers and arms suppliers.

[IndianaGreen]

70. And the US has Israel's "primary financers and arms suppliers."

And if Israel is justified in bombing Iran and Syria, then someone else can use the same pretext to attack the United States. Isn't that the logic used by Bin Laden for 9-11?

[IndianaGreen]

64. These are impossible conditions for the Lebanese to meet

The Lebanese government could not disarm Hezbollah before Israel's invasion, and there won't be a Lebanese government now, and if there is one, it will be one fully controlled by Islamic radicals.

Blowback!

[theanarch]

66. gee, i'd have thought...

the three conditions would be 1) do as we say, 2) do as we say, and 3) do as we say...or else.

[Endangered Specie]

75. Define Irony: Israel telling someone else to obey the UN!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Do they think they are God or something... infallable and above the law? :eyes:

[IndianaGreen]

82. Selective enforcement of UN Resolutions

Excellent point, Endangered Specie!

Now, what about UN Resolution 442?

[Endangered Specie]

83. you'll have to remind me which one that is.

[IndianaGreen]

84. That's the one passed by UN after the June 1967 war

that called for a return to the prewar borders.

[Selatius]

88. Bush does not follow that line of logic anymore, FWIW

So I doubt Israel would bother to give up its colonial possessions in the West Bank as long as the US continues to subsidize it to the tune of 3 billion dollars a year in economic/military aid.

[Laotra]

98. correction: 242

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_242

[JackNewtown]

109. Israeli ambassador to the US has been using that line often

Yet none of his interviewers have called him on the irony of that.

[leesa]

102. And will Israel comply with any of the UN resolutions against them?

Of course not...on with Israel's continuous land grabs and slaughtering.