Pro-Life Advocates Now Buying Abortion Centers to Close Them Down

[Jacobin]

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
July 17, 2006
Wichita, KS (LifeNews.com) -- In years past, when pro-life advocates were opposed to having an abortion center in their town, they normally looked to protests, legislation or zoning board requirements to help them place restrictions on abortion centers or make it difficult for them to do business. Now they're trying a more direct tactic -- buying them.

Abortion business have been purchased in states such as Kansas, Florida, Tennessee and Nebraska.

In one of the first cases the Pro-Life Majority Coalition of Chattanooga outbid a Tennessee abortion business for the right to own a local facility that had long been the sole place in town where abortions were done.

The buying of the building forced the abortion center to close and the site now houses the National Memorial for the Unborn, a memorial for all of the babies who died at the abortion center over the years.

more:
http://lifenews.com/state1757.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Does it also contain a memorial

for those women who had tubal pregnancies and DIED because they didn't believe in abortion? Does it contain a memorial to the kids who had back alley abortions and DIED or were made sterile? Oh, I forgot, viable human beings don't count with these people.

[Alzaya]

3. If they knew the truth

If the world only knew the truth....

The spirit doesn't enter the body until the first breath.

Aborting a fetus is not killig anthing except stopping a biological process.

Upon the last breath, the spirit leaves the body and re enters the realm where spirits exist but do not have bodies.

alzaya

[A HERETIC I AM]

5. Interesting.

I am curious where that came from, cause it certainly isnt biblical.

But, nevertheless, welcome to DU.

[Megahurtz]

22. Actually, it IS Biblical.

It's the WingNut:crazy: FundamentalistFruitcakes that think that their stupid, idiotic,
and kooky fucked-up ideas are Biblical when they are not!
They are nothing more than another Cult.

[A HERETIC I AM]

38. Well, now you are gonna make me go do a search, arent ya?

I am thinking specifically of the OT/Hebraic law/concept which, if i am not mistaken, mentions a baby has no soul until it is well along in age. By months anyway if not a year or two. This allowed the slaughtering of babies without guilt (My take....MY INTERPRETATION - I do NOT suggest that last statement is in the bible. Plenty of baby slaughtering going on in the OT though.)

[Megahurtz]

41. Lol!

Even I have to search!
From this interesting website, here are the relevant passages:

http://www.pro-truth.net/30b-bible-psgs.html#PhysicalVersusSpirit

Genesis 2: 7 ...

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

>>>Clearly states that life as a human being begins at first breath.<<<

Job 33: 4 ...

"The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty has given me ...
life."

>>>Reinforces the Genesis 7:2 statement that breath is the place where God acknowledges His creation as being alive."<<<

Ezekiel 37: 1-10 ...

(5) "Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you and you shall live…"

(6) "And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live;"

(9) "... Come from the four winds O breath and breathe into these slain that they may live"

(10) "... and the breath came into them and they lived and stood up upon their feet…"

>>>Reinforces the Genesis 7: 2 and the Job 33: 4 statement that breath is the place where God acknowledges His creation as being alive.<<<

Ecclesiastes 11: 5, RSV (Revised Standard Version)

"As you do not know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of the woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.”

>>>Clearly distinguishes between the body and the spirit, says that humans don’t know when the spirit enters the physical form, and, most significantly, states that humans do not know how God works.<<<

Pretty interesting considering the Fundies screwed-up take on things lol!!!!!!

[pokercat999]

24. Interesting where do the spirits come from and go to?

on edit: and how do you know this is true?

[DoyBoy]

44. Spirits reside in another dimension...

parallel to our own. We as physical beings (as with all matter) vibrate at a certain frequency. Once the energy we call a soul or spirit leaves the body it resonates a different frequency and goes to another plane of existance (spirits can go between our world and the next at will). So there is really no Heaven or Hell (those a Christian inventions).

[pokercat999]

48. You can prove this , of course?

[Tight_rope]

54. Very Interesting....Makes you say "HUMMMMM"

[kestrel91316]

46. 'Cause it's in that fact-filled tome called "the bible"..........

:evilgrin:

[kestrel91316]

45. Since WHEN does something HAVE to be "biblical" to be

valid or true or just a good idea????????

The bible does NOT have a monopoly on truth.

I wish some people truly got the concept that there are other points of view on the planet than the Judeo-Christian one.

[PansophicOne]

17. lol

Does it say that in that wonderful work of fiction we call the bible? I'm usually tolerant of the religious but some of you people say the most funny things at times.

[Cleita]

27. Hi there. I often wondered about that.

I always thought that as long as the fetus was attached to the mother by the umbilical cord it was still a part of her. Once the baby is born, breathes and the cord is cut, only then, is it another human being.

Welcome to DU.

[PittPoliSci]

29. welcome to DU

[Canuckistanian]

35. Interesting, never heard that before

And welcome to DU!
:toast:
:hi:

[pecwae]

39. Yogi philosophy? nt

[HockeyMom]

40. You are dealing with ignorant people

I had one woman write to me saying that a woman with a tubal should stay in bed until the baby was big enough at about 21 weeks to survive. Then a C Section could be performed. Mind you this was a WOMAN saying this. Didn't this female ever see a picture of a fallopian tube? 21 weeks?

My tube burst at FIVE WEEKS. I got banned from the site for saying that. I guess ignorance among these people IS bliss.

[KingFlorez]

2. This is totalitarian

They should not be allowed to buy the building to usurp right.

[Freddie Stubbs]

7. It's totalitarian if the government does it

[KingFlorez]

9. It's still totalitarian

What difference does it make? They are still trying to usurp people's legal rights

[Freddie Stubbs]

11. Please read the definition of 'totalitarian'

Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed

http://www.answers.com/totalitarian&r=67

[PansophicOne]

19. They're not forced to sale them.

If they were forced to sell the buildings then that would be one thing, but they agreeing to sale the buildings.

[Bridget Burke]

33. The clinics do not own the buildings.

The anti-abortion folks buy them & kick them out. Finding new space takes time & money.

[PansophicOne]

55. I gotcha...

[slackmaster]

37. Not any more totalitarian than The Nature Conservancy buying land

Think of the poor real estate developers who have been denied their rights to tear down pristine natural areas and build houses.

But seriously, I can't picture any political response to this tactic that wouldn't violate fundamental principles of our market economy. If they can afford to buy the property and the owners are willing to sell, there really isn't anything government could do that would not (properly IMO) be seen as setting foot on a slippery slope.

It's not totalitarian, just economically oppressive. But so are similar methods used by pressure groups to put bars, adult theaters, miniature golf courses, or whatever out of business.

[geomon666]

4. Fine.

So when do we start buying churches and converting them into women's health clinics? Free condoms can be picked from the holy water reservoir.

[PittPoliSci]

28. hahahaha

there's actually a church for sale in a town near my house. it's a big old cathedral type one too.

[LisaM]

6. What, those rusty trailers and rundown shacks they call churches?

I was in Swannanoa, NC last year and was shocked not only by the number of "churches" (there were ramshackle buildings called churches all over the place), but also at the fact that people were clearly keeping themselves in poverty to support a huge, glistening "Christian" academy that dominated the town. These people are brainwashed (IMHO) and changing the name of one building for another isn't going to change them. Education might.

[JVS]

8. Just because they bought that place doesn't mean a new place can't open

[Demeter]

21. Two Words: Zoning Laws

If one group has a stranglehold on local politics, they can block anyone else doing anything indefinitely. No doubt the center had been renting, and the landlord was made an offer he couldn't refuse, and bye-bye, women's health care.

[omenapoint]

10. What's the problem?

What's the problem here? I see a person who owns a legal business selling his legal business to somebody else. It is irrelevant what the new owner of the business wishes to do with it, unless he does something illegal.

I don't see this as a very smart tactic. If another business wishes to offer the abortion service, then it could open its own facility, provided that it is profitable to do so.

Under current law, one has the right to obtain an abortion, not the right to easy access to a facility.

[Bridget Burke]

18. Nobody is selling the businesses

Buildings that may have rented space to the clinics will now kick them out. So the clinics will have to spend time & money finding new locations.

Abortions are becoming harder to obtain. But that's a woman's problem.

[omenapoint]

20. Thanks for clarifying...

I misread and thought that the pro-life crowd was purchasing the business, not the buildings that the businesses lease/rent. However, the business can relocate, so it is no big deal. The pro-lifers know own the building, they can do what they want with it, as long as it does not discriminate against a "protected class" of people.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

12. Nothing new...

... the Abstinence Clearing House (snicker) bought Dr Buck Wiliams old women's services office building at the busiest intersection in South Dakota (41st and Louise in Sioux Falls), upon his retirement, and put in a "pregnancy counselling" office. Leslie Unruh was absolutely giddy with joy that she could possess the cast away property (and she paid for it, LOL) of the person she came to hate so badly.

BTW, Dr Buck Williams has proudly stated "I carry my .45 with me at all times, you never know when one of those loonies is going to try to kill me."

[omenapoint]

13. I do too!

I carry my .45 with me nearly all the time.

[Endangered Specie]

43. can't blame him...

wonder what his carry gun is.

[Turbineguy]

14. It's unfortunate

but really no different than the Nature Conservancy buying property to protect it from development. A clinic can open someplace else. It's better than bombing and more expensive as well. These people cannot very well buy every building in town.

[Dkoi]

15. I'm sorry, not quite sure I understand...

What's the big deal about this? Sure, the motivation behind it isn't exactly something worth bragging about, but it's a legal business transaction. Hell, I see a good potential business opening up.

Sell abortion clinic for more than it's worth.
Build/buy a different clinic.
Sell aforementioned clinic for more than it's worth.

With the proceeds from repeating that process, you could set up an abortion clinic in every state and make the first six months of "business" free for all clients.

(No, I know, it's impractical. On my computer, the Smilies lookup table won't load, so I can't throw down the Sarcasm tag.)

[Megahurtz]

25. And in the meantime while the bullshit "business deals"

are wasting time going through more women who need access to abortions are twice as fucked because they cannot get an abortion because of the time it takes to buy and sell
and on and fucking on........

Seriously I personally could give a shit about "business".
I want to see women keep their rights to have access to abortion.

What's with this "business" shit anyway?

Sounds like the Cold Corporate American attitude thanks to the BushCabal!

[Dkoi]

34. I think you misunderstand my intent.

I was attempting to put an obviously sarcastic, Pug spin on the whole thing. However, without the availability of the Sarcasm tag, I think my post fell short of the mark...

In the long and short of it, I agree with you. However, could you longhand the "Sarcasm" smiley for me? Blasted thing is elusive.

[Megahurtz]

42. Oooops, Sorry!

Sometimes I get a little defensive about those subjects and and I jump too soon.:blush:

Welcome to DU! :toast:

[Dkoi]

47. No problem! :)

My rather... um... "unique" sense of humor is often misunderstood. Most people, even in real life, don't understand my sarcasm. I can imagine it won't work well on the net, either. :P Thanks for the welcome!

[anotherdrew]

16. nobody really gives a damn, let them win, we don't care enough to win

where is there any organization with this kind of money participation and dedication, that can fight these anti-choice zealots? nowhere, it's hopeless folks, women don't even care enough, you'd think there would be a huge national organization with millions and millions of dollars on the pro-choice side doing everything it takes, but no, we've got nothing with any impact... why? Why is it apparently impossible to get even half as many people to work half as hard for our goals as they work for theirs?

[denverbill]

23. Nice way to bankupt anti-abortion groups.

Keep selling them the buildings at inflated prices, then relocate.

[Bridget Burke]

26. I don't think the clinics own the buildings.

They rent the space. And they don't have tons of extra money lying around.

[PittPoliSci]

30. just keep raising your bid until it's astronomical...

then the loonies get stuck with a piece of inflated real estate.

i like the way you think.

[lynne]

31. Seems to me that the lesson here -

- is that pro-choice groups and clinics must purchase real estate to avoid their buildings being sold from under them.

Certainly there are pro-choice individuals and organizations looking to make real estate investments that would be willing to participate if they were aware of what was going on.

[slackmaster]

36. Yes, any business that leases is vulnerable in that way

Subject to being financially forced out of business by people who don't like it, or by a pissed off landlord.

Ask anyone who runs a bar, especially if he or she doesn't own the building.

Certainly there are pro-choice individuals and organizations looking to make real estate investments that would be willing to participate if they were aware of what was going on.

Indeed. This is an opportunity for a group like Emily's List to form a Real Estate Investment Trust or some other such instrument.

Summon the lawyers and accountants.

:hide:

[Massacure]

32. I should start an abortion clinic and sell for twice as much

money than it cost to build. Theres profit to be made at the expense of these religious wackos. :D

[pokercat999]

49. A new niche in the commercial real estate market, I like it.

[NC_Nurse]

50. National Memorial for the unborn?

I want a National Memorial for the Undead! Zombies unite!

What the F$%k ever!

[onager]

51. There are plenty of Zombie Memorials already!

They are called "Xian churches." In honor of that one zombie from the Middle East, you know, that carpenter guy who allegedly came back from the dead after 3 days.

His name will come to me in a minute. It's right on the tip of my tongue.

[Tight_rope]

52. LMBAO...My thoughts exactly!

[gristy]

53. What a dumb-ass headline - completely misleading; a lie, really.

They are buying the buildings, not the "businesses", which, of course, aren't for sale. And note the source of what you have posted.