Ahmadinejad promises Muslims will 'rejoice' soon

[sabra]

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Ahmadinejad promises Muslims will 'rejoice' soon

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday promised a "rejoicing" for Muslims in the Middle East "soon," the Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

Speaking to university officials in the town of Mashhad, Ahmadinejad said the "volcano of rage" at the "arrogant powers" was "on the verge of eruption."

Referring to escalating violence in Lebanon and northern Israel, he was quoted as saying, "The Zionists themselves have realized that they have launched a risky move and are aware that the flame of the fury of the regional states will set them ablaze."

[Julius Civitatus]

1. Gulp!

:wtf:

Now I'm officially creeped out!

[Dhalgren]

3. Both sides in this thing are insane!

What is the US and Israel hoping to gain out of this escalation? Maybe a guarantee of "endless war"? It seems to be what they are after...

[Tesha]

24. Bush wants war with Iran. Eventually, he'll get what he wants.

We'll just get it. :-(

Tesha

[ShockediSay]

36. Give Iran nukes and let them and Israel bomb each other to hell n/t

[Tesha]

43. The trouble is the damage wrought on everyone else.

That's an interesting thought, and if Iran and Israel lived
together but otherwise alone on an asteroid out in space,
it might be a constructive suggestion.

But we share the planet with these nutcases, and if they
start hurling nukes, we'll all suffer from the fallout
and other ecological damage. Plus, both combatants have
friends so it's not at all clear that a nuclear exchange
between these two wouldn't spread into a generalized
nuclear war that engulfs the planet.

We really can't allow a nuclear war to occur.

This may require disarming Israel, of course, a thought
that is not yet acceptable to a lot of people.

Tesha

[ShockediSay]

50. Tesh, disarming Israel in favor of a nuke free Iran works for me

you?

[Tesha]

53. Works for me. (NT)

[INDIA]

51. On edit...

After a few deep breaths....I feel that your post was idiotic.

[stop the bleeding]

2. funny cause that is the same line the fundies are using over here

WTF is right

[Marie26]

12. They're on the same side.

Though completely opposed in ideology, religion, etc. They both want war.

[0rganism]

38. See? Everyone's a winner!

The religious nuts are happy because they get to sacrifice their sworn enemies for their various gods.
The oil tycoons are ecstatic because the price of crude went through the roof.
The weapons dealers rejoice, because business is booming.
The expansionists are thrilled at the prospect of annexation.
One man's Armageddon is another man's Opportunity!

[Norquist Nemesis]

4. The mullahs need to muzzle that little troll!

Honestly! The average person thinks this whacko is the equivalent in government power as a U.S. President over his country. It's not the same. Statements like that are suicidally stupid. :banghead:

[MADem]

5. Oh, please, like the Sunnis are even gonna listen to that guy

Like they LOOK to his scruffy ass?? Gimme a break--that's like the Pope listening attentively to Jerry Falwell.

Even his own folk in Iran are sick to death of the bullshit. They just want to live their lives with minimal interference. It ain't playing in Persia, and it sure as hell isn't playing in the Arab end of the Muslim world.

Of course, it's a good rallying article for JPOST to run...gotta make that enemy appear closer than he actually is.

[NoodleyAppendage]

6. Jerusalem Post...now, there's an unbiased reporting source. Oh, please...

I'm so sick of the pro-Israeli/Mossad propaganda. If you want to take out Iran's nuke facilities, then just do it. Quit trying to gin up coverage for what's already been planned (for probably months).

Jesh...

J

[BushOut06]

31. Like Iran's never made any hostile remarks before...

Let's not fool ourselves, shall we? Are you so sick of Israel that you can't acknowledge that *maybe* the leader of Iran is a little bit nuts? He's been spewing this sort of stuff for awhile now, I don't see why this is so hard to fathom.

[Dhalgren]

39. the President of Iran is not the "leader of Iran". He is a figurehead

with no power. The Imams rule Iran and they have made very few nutty remarks. I have a suspicion that President Ahmadinejad is serving his last term...

[sui generis]

7. something just occurred to me

are there ANY sane national leaders?

We have the be all end all of dumbfuckery as president here, but I'm just sort of skipping through the heads of every country I can think of while spinning the globe, and they should all be marked damaged and returned, starting with that flaming poodle of a PM Tony Blair.

[mom cat]

8. Hugo Chaves and Evo Morales!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

21. That's what I'm sayin'!

:thumbsup:

Also Kofi Annan

[mom cat]

23. And Obrador, once the votes are counted!

[Bacchus39]

44. no, he/she said "sane" not lunatic

n/t

[Marie26]

11. Michelle Bachelet, nt

[ladjf]

9. I wish that he would shut up. He is not helping with his outrageous

verbal attacks.

[Marie26]

10. What is with this?

Three seperate threats, from three seperate Iranian leaders, each promising retribution. If I didn't know any better, I'd say they're planning something.

[dionysus]

14. my guess is they are bluffing...

but i wouldn't put money on it :(

[Mojorabbit]

13. Well why don't we just have a nice proxy war

China and Russia will just love it if we endanger their deal for energy from Iran. They will be sure to back Iran while we back Israel and to hell with the small countries in the area who get caught in the middle.
Let's just blow up the whole goll dammed world. I am so sick of this shit.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

15. I'm still reading the book....

But in the "One Percent Doctrine" the unwritten policy from the Administration (Cheney's brainchild - Post 9/11) can roughly be described as, if there is even a one percent chance that a country/organization/group has or could be a threat with a WMD, then (due to the significance of the threat) the US must act as though it is a virtual certainty. Preemptively.

Does vague and general rhetoric, when combined with a stated and known nuclear ambition meet the one percent pre-requisite for WAR in these NeoCons minds.

I have to think so.

The U.S. will be raining bombs on IRAN before the year is out.

[eagler]

16. No, just before the election.

Can't you guys understand that our government and Islamic radicals are both EXTREME right-wing fundies?

[NaturalHigh]

17. What a moron.

Does anyone really doubt that it will get nasty if this idiot gets his hands on nukes?

[Marie26]

30. When is his term over?

Anyone know?

[IndianaGreen]

18. Would anyone be surprised if the WTC had been attacked this September 11?

Would anyone shed any tears for the our dead had the attack on WTC had occurred after the US invaded Iraq and given unconditional support to Israel's bombing of Lebanon?

[megatherium]

40. Please reflect on the fact that September 11 happened

before the US invaded Iraq and gave unconditional support for Israel's bombing of Lebanon.

[CJCRANE]

41. Sept 11 was fallout from the first Gulf War

including sanctions etc.

However, it only happened because Bushco facilitated it, al-Qaeda didn't have the capability or funds to carry it out on their own.

[megatherium]

46. I'm still skeptical of MIHOP/LIHOP. And if September 11

was fallout from the first Gulf War and the sanctions, then Bush was exactly correct to go into Iraq.

From this point of view, the only thing Bush has done wrong was trying to do Iraq on the cheap, with much too few troops. (Recall the Pentagon people thought 350,000 troops were required but the civilian leaders--Rumsfeld--thought 150,000 would suffice. To bring Hussein down, yes, but not to secure order and prevent/destroy any insurgency.)

For a few months after September 11, I supported all out war in the Middle East. My big fear in fact was that Bush would wimp out as soon as the shock from the attack wore off. Then I hoped that we would go into Iraq, because I thought if we did go into Iraq, it would set off a regional conflagration--World War III. Only then, I thought, would we be forced to bring down the Islamic regimes and dictatorships that threaten our future. I had the image in my mind of an American Hiroshima (as al Qaeda supporters call it) eventually happening. Of course, my thoughts were colored by my deep rage at what had happened; and I began to calm down. By the time the vote by Congress to approve the Iraq war was taken, I was opposed to the war and asked my congressman and senators to vote against it.

I now think the correct read on September 11 is: a small group of individuals, with limited funding from certain Saudis, conceived of a diabolical plan and actually managed to execute it. The plan only cost $500,000. Luck was with them (earlier plots were canceled or disrupted). Their motives included anger at the Gulf War and sanctions, but primarily US support of Israel and the Saudi royals. (See Imperial Hubris by Anonymous, who of course is now known to be Mike Scheuer.) Their long-range goal is to re-establish the Caliphate, which would require destabilization of some perhaps fragile regimes--which project was undoubtedly furthered by our war in Iraq.

I think at this point we need to get out of the Middle East entirely--or else prepare for all-out war. We should now be in a desperate effort to secure energy independence--or else prepare for a huge oil shock.

[CJCRANE]

47. Your basic take on 9/11 makes sense

however I think the hijackers had a little bit more than luck (David Ray Griffin's "New Pearl Harbor" lays out the options pretty well).

I've haven't read Imperial Hubris, however I've read some of Mike Scheuer's stuff and he generally seems to be on the ball, although sometimes he does seem to have a slant*.

* on edit: removed "hidden agenda", and left it at slant because my hunch is that Scheuer is totally pro-CIA, which is fair enough given his background but I feel that may lead him not address certain things.

[smirkymonkey]

52. Why do I have the feeling that if anything happens in this country

it's going to be in NYC again. There are more Jews here than in Israel and our own Government hates all of us liberal, athiest, homosexual protesting freaks, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was another "collaberation" sometime between now and election day.

[TheWraith]

19. This guy desperately needs some less florid speechwriters.

Yeesh. Okay, yes, you're a bad boy. Now shut the fuck up before I have to listen to any more of your bullshit about the flame of dark things lighting the candle of bad imagery.

[kineneb]

25. florid speeches

may be due to the nature of Farsi language. It is a language of poets- Khayyam, Ferdowsi, Rumi, and others. "Fancy speech" is sort of a national tradition.

[TheWraith]

29. Then he need better florid speeches.

Because the ones he's got right now come off as cliched. Either that, or the AP needs better translators.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

20. Gotta love that PNAC plan for a stable Middle East!

Thanks guys!

[fujiyama]

22. How does one say

"Bring it on" in Farsi?

[kineneb]

26. close as I can come

with my limited Farsi vocabulary is "bia in-ja" which means "come here". Don't ask me to render it in script.

[Recursion]

48. In script...

بىا ان جا

Or something like that. Farsi is Greek to me, mostly...

[greccogirl]

27. Should anyone be

surprised at this?

[toopers]

28. This guy is going to get himself killed . . .

along with a multitude of his religious advisers, and citizens.

[judaspriestess]

32. He and Bush both look like chimps

I wonder if they are related.

[CJCRANE]

42. Yes, except for the beard, they both look quite similar..nt

[lovuian]

33. He Knows this is WWIII

just biding his time...

[JackNewtown]

34. I will rejoice when he loses power

He cannot be allowed to have nukes. He is a nut and threatens another holocaust if he gets nukes.

[K8-EEE]

35. He Would Fit Right In At Fox News

They are all but frothing at the mouth with the WWIII stuff....

[FormerDem06]

49. I can't stand that WW-III stuff...

But if you look around the world, there are conflicts on every continent. India vs. Islamic pakistan funded separatists. Afghanistan Taliban vs US and Afghan coalition. Russia vs Islamic Separatists.

North Korea and Japan are close to duking it out, Tribal wars in Africa are rampant. There are terrorists bombing in the Philippines and Europe.

China and Taiwan are going to have fisticuffs sooner or later. Europe is due for an Islamic Revolution from folks inside their own borders at some point in the next 20 years.

It's just not a defined World War to be honest. There are no formal declarations and the like, but there is more war and hurt in the world now than there has been in about 50 years.


Islamic folks are behaving as they always have for hundreds of years. 90%+ of them are sane normal folks, but the other 10% are raging wars to expand the religion. Are you familiar with how Islam spread over the middle east and Northern Africa? It was by the sword, and to be honest not much has changed in the past 1500 years.

We are just one nutty Iranian guy with a Nuke away from the whole world exploding. I pray every day that it doesn't happen.

[Endangered Specie]

37. If he really wants alot of people to rejoice...

he could try jumping off a cliff.

[Igel]

45. He's in a win-win-win situation.

If Hezbollah gets slaughtered, he can rejoice in so many martyrs finding their reward in heaven. Muhammed loves the slaughtered martyrs.

If Hezbollah kills Jews, he can rejoice in the victory of Islam over the children of pigs and apes. Muhammed loves the slaughter of those that don't submit.

If Hezbollah merely gets weakened and marginalized, he can twist in the profound sense of victimization that seems to give some kinds of fundies into some kind of morally-wronged-but-still-supreme high, because surely Allah will eventually set things right and put the Best Race in position of trammeling all the lower races, if only they believe more and kill more and provide more social services in exchange for believing his variety of preachers. And he can be secure in his belief that people will regard the movement actually fuelling this as religion, and therefore inviolate.