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cannabis_flower (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:15 PM Original message |
Machine Vote-Flipping Claimed in McKinney Primary |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. If it had happened to me and they told me nothing could be done... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Me too |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. I hope EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS that this is what is going to keep on happenin |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. If you're right, they can't get away with it forever |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #73 |
95. The Republican solution for the Diebold controversy.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:16 AM Response to Reply #95 |
100. That would be very interesting indeed |
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fearthem (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. They take advantage of people they know will not challenge them... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. How could the machine sense who would challenge and who would not? |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
57. If the machine is calibrated wrong |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:08 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Sooner or later that will happen to a Howard Beale |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 08:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
97. I've worked on calibrating touch screen systems (for a mfg application) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. As a bank systems analyst I saw the same problem with ATMs |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
69. As a precinct election judge, you wouldn't have had to call 911 |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:39 AM Response to Reply #69 |
94. Something stinks to me as well |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-28-06 05:36 AM Response to Reply #94 |
125. McKinney was beaten in a PRIMARY, not a general election. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 08:35 AM Response to Reply #69 |
98. Fine! Throw me in jail! Call the media and have it all filmed, too!! |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:37 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Will do, just please tell the media you are an independent. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Yeah, something does stink with the original story. |
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unda cova brutha (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. yep |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:38 AM Response to Reply #75 |
105. Have a good time in jail. |
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unda cova brutha (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. they can lock me up for doing that |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Just telling you the facts. I work the polls and there are proper ways |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. Did she lose the Primary? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Not according to what I heard on NPR |
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cannabis_flower (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. No, but.. |
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greccogirl (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. No, but |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
79. McKinney came in 4 points ahead of her opponent |
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toopers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:48 AM Response to Reply #79 |
92. There were three candidates in the primary . . . |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
88. It does not matter that she won anyway |
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fearthem (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. Who is going to fix this before November???????????? |
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canadianbeaver (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. What are you going to do to help get this fixed.??? |
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fearthem (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I've taken to the streets, holding signs in the last election, I'm willing |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. May I suggest that someone first get some hard evidence of a problem? |
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maryallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
62. They HAVE evidence.... |
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Ka hrnt (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Evidence and "hard evidence" |
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Ka hrnt (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 09:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
65. Very good point here: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Why not explain how her track record would benefit Republicans? |
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Ka hrnt (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. It's all about appearances |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:41 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Deleted message |
bunyip (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Do not assume |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #35 |
112. why all these idiotic red herrings and simplistic faux logic |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #112 |
121. Phrasing your straw man and ad hominem as questions doesn't help |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. No One - This Happened In The 2004 General Election |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. One other element missing |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. 1st Person Witness Is Not Good Enough For You I Guess. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Although I don't know you personally I have no reason not to trust you |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I Was A Sworn Election Clerk For Dallas County Texas |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I believe you completely! |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
63. Not the standard of proof even in a criminal trial. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. IMO the evidence I've seen couldn't pass the reasonable doubt test |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:29 AM Response to Reply #72 |
91. You Choose To Ignore The Obvious |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:10 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Are you choosing argumentum ad hominem? |
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TiredNow (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
114. Slackmaster, you seem very logical and pragmatic to me. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. The machines need to put out a hard copy for auditing purposes, and |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #72 |
109. A preponderance of the evidence (51%) standard should apply. |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
40. we are, we need to bust into and destroy these god damn machines |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
6. Why would the Repukes (or Diebold) manipulate a Democratic primary? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. She's seen as a far left liberal by conservatives |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
41. they owe her one |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
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orwell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. How is Fantasyland? |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Wait a minute... the run-off is open to votes from both parties? |
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greccogirl (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. That is how they got her out |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. They couldn't tip the machines enough for a deffinitive win without... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. It would have raised too much suspicion, no doubt, as she is far |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Some answers |
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greccogirl (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. McKinney is pretty much |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #25 |
82. "punching the cop" is RW spin |
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xzyra (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
116. exactly. Don't believe everything you read! |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
34. I Personally Witnessed ES&S Machines Change Democratic Votes |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. OK, this is prima fascie evidence |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Reported It To The Democratic Party - They Did Nothing |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Did you try the Secretary of State or whoever is in charge of elections |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Dallas County Registrar of Elections Ignored It |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. "Could not be reproduced at will" |
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mhr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. See My Other Post - No Flawed Observation Because Voters |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I appreciate you taking the time to write your account |
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3waygeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I'm a software developer... |
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zonkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
10. Only solution -- EVERYBODY MUST BRING A CAMCORDER INTO VOTING BOOTH. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If SOMEBODY had done that just once I'd find this easier to believe |
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greccogirl (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. This was being |
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BronxBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
59. But you bring up another point...... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
71. Here in San Diego we had over 5,000 who couldn't do a write-in vote |
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JanusAscending (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I've never voted on a Diebold machine, but I saw some |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. We have Sequoia, and my husband had to press Kerry THREE |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Exactly.. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
70. GREAT IDEA! I'm going to take one in for the 2006 election vote. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
113. Excellent idea! |
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pushycat (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. Can't understand how people put up with this charade of voting - |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
19. As in the past nothing will be done and in Nov nothing will be done. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
84. There are election reform groups all over the country |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. "their vote had been compromised, as if it had been stolen" |
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lithiumbomb (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
21. i don't buy it |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. This is surely the wrong place to call Democratic voters stupid. n/t |
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greccogirl (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Exactly. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 09:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. Wrong. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
58. The poll workers told them that they couldn't change it |
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lithiumbomb (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
76. right, but why? |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:12 AM Response to Reply #76 |
90. A 3rd person account is how you would hear about it first. |
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lithiumbomb (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 08:18 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. i'd be more convinced from multiple sources |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 07:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
123. It's evidence of a problem, intentional or not. NT |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:24 AM Response to Reply #21 |
85. Why should anyone have to guess if their vote was counted? |
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BadGimp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
23. Welcome to November 2006 |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
32. There were many reports of touchscreens changing Kerry votes to Bush |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
47. I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in there. nt |
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WilmywoodNCparalegal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
54. *puts on flame suit* |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. The ones who voted for the opponent weren't the ones complaining. n/t |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
56. This is why we have to get rid of electronic voting machines, |
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tinfoil tiaras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-19-06 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
66. Will these people stop at nothing!?!?! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 06:25 AM Response to Reply #66 |
93. which people? this was a Democratic primary. |
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NVMojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
78. this nation needs to cop a clue for putting up with this bullshit |
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droidamus2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:59 AM Response to Original message |
83. Not too hard |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:26 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Welcome to DU. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #83 |
101. One major problem with your theory |
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droidamus2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Question for you |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 10:59 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. I don't know, but it's certainly not the corrupt application developer |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
87. Thank you Cathy Cox, Scty of State, failed Dem Gov Candidate (WARNING!) |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:02 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Does she know she's a traitor? |
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xzyra (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
117. she lost the gay vote when she didn't even have to say anything |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
124. haha...It's a combination deal... |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
111. Is that Medea out on the dance floor with Cynthia? |
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xzyra (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
115. bring a video camera, and do not leave the booth! |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. BINGO!!!! nt |
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seriousstan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Better yet, call over a poll worker from each party, a DEM and REP. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-20-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. I don't think the R's would do this |
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