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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:36 PM
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U.S. official: Israel needs time to 'defang' Hezbollah
U.S. official: Israel needs time to 'defang' Hezbollah
Secretary of State Rice won't travel to Mideast before next week
By Elise Labott
CNN Washington Bureau


Wednesday, July 19, 2006; Posted: 5:11 p.m. EDT (21:11 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will not go on a peace mission to the Mideast before next week, giving Israel time to "defang" Hezbollah, a senior administration official said Wednesday.

Rice, who's set to travel to New York to meet with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Friday, has said the U.S. would support a cease-fire in the seven-day conflict between Israel and Hezbollah "when conditions are conducive to do so."

More than 300 Lebanese have been killed and more than 1,000 injured after a week of Israeli airstrikes, Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said Wednesday. Israel's military said 29 Israelis have died in the conflict, including 15 civilians. (Full story)

Senior administration officials said more time is needed to shape the diplomacy and to create conditions on the ground for a permanent change of the situation -- not merely a cease-fire. Israel needs time to "defang Hezbollah," said one of the officials, who asked not to be named in light of the ongoing diplomacy.
(snip/...)

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/19/mideast.diplomacy/index.html
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:36 PM
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1. A milk factory is defanging Hezbollah
randomly killing the civilians -- who may have voted for a Hezbollah candidate???

Sorry -- but bombing the infrastructure of a whole country is called collective punishment.

Endless bombing of Gaza and the destruction of Jenin -- did not change the fact that Israel is treating a whole group as third class citizens.

Bottom line -- Israel is founded solely for one race -- Jews. I am a Gentile and I would not be welcome in Israel -- perhaps to spend tourist dollars -- but I am a "less than" . . ..

Jews and Gentile -- I was educated about this distinction by a Jewish friend.

"Why do you support Israel", she asked? I responded with the usual mantra --

She pointed out that since I was a Gentile I would not be welcome -- Israel was for Jews, it was established for Jews.

She said that in many places in Israel she would not be welcome because she was not Orthodox Jew -- even though her parents were Jewish (and German concentration camp survivors).

I believe that if the tax payers of the US knew just how much of our tax money is being shipper to Israel -- plus the fact that they as Gentiles would be discriminated against if they lived in Israel --- Americans would rethink their blind support of what ever Israel does.

Way back in my pedigree there may be a Jewish line -- Spanish Jews who fled the Inquisition and eventually made their way to the Colonies. I suspect that most of us (if not ALL of us) have a few drops of Jewish blood from our distant ancestors (or nearer).

Gentiles . . .

Gentiles

(Heb. Gôyîm; Gr. ethne, ethnikoi, Hellenes; Vulg. Gentes, Gentiles, Graeci).

A word of Latin origin and usually employed in the plural. In the English versions of both Testaments it collectively designates the nations distinct from the Jewish people. The basis of this distinction is that, as descendants of Abraham, the Jews considered themselves, and were in fact, before the coming of Christ, the chosen people of God. As the non-Jewish nations did not worship the true God and generally indulged in immoral practices, the term Gôyîm "Gentiles" has often times in the Sacred Writings, in the Talmud, etc., a disparaging meaning. Since the spread of Christianity, the word Gentiles designates, in theological parlance, those who are neither Jews nor Christians. In the United States, the Mormons use it of persons not belonging to their sect.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06422a.htm

The word Gentile from the Latin gentilis, can either be a translation of the Hebrew Goy/גוי or of the Hebrew word Nochri/נכרי. In the most common modern use it refers to the former being derived from the Latin term gens (meaning "clan" or a "group of families") and it is often employed in the plural. In late Latin gentilis meant "pagan", and the term gentile has equally come to be used as a synonym for "heathen" or "pagan" (Nochri/נכרי).

In English translations of the Bible the word gentiles is most commonly used as a translation of the Hebrew word goyim (plural of Goy/גוי); in the King James Version the first and only such use in the Pentateuch is in the book of Genesis 10:5. Christian translators of the Bible use this word in the meaning of non-Israelite, to collectively designate the peoples and nations distinct from the Israelite people; the word is used that way over 130 times in the King James Version of the Bible. In the New Testament the word is used more specifically to indicate non-Jews.

As in the King James Bible, from the 17th century on this term was most commonly used to refer to non-Jews. However, this usage was in the context of European Christian societies with a Jewish minority. In multireligious and multiethnic societies the term is typically not seen as a synonym for "non-Jew", except in restricted contexts. Outside of Jewish circles, referring to a Chinese person as a "gentile" would be unusual.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:47 PM
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2. I wonder if Condi has read what her Bible says about Lebanon
Habakkuk 2:17 (New International Version)

17 The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you,
and your destruction of animals will terrify you.
For you have shed man's blood;
you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:48 PM
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3. Needs more time to destroy last shreds of it's credibility is more like it
Hizballah, like Iran in the Iraq war, will come out of this smelling like a rose.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:49 PM
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4. "Defang", right
Except that once Hezbollah's wealthy backers gear up, re-arm them, Hezbollah will come roaring back because they can't be de-fanged, only temporarily beaten back. And once Hezbollah gets to inflicting on Israel the kind of havoc Israel is current wreaking on its neighbors, then and only then will the Bush administration jump in and say "Now, now, everybody play nice."

But why do the "islamofascists" hate America so much? Maybe because we don't lift a finger to stop Israel from blowing them to bits.
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Sam Odom Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:53 PM
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5. No difference between KKK & Hezbollah ideologies
Both need to be defanged or more!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 05:58 PM
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6. War crimes are war crimes, even when committed by Israelis and Americans
Tonight NBC News showed Senator Rick Santorum saying that all life was precious, as he argued against the stem cell research bill. Today that same Senator Santorum voted for a resolution that said that some lives were more precious than others, that Lebanese lives have less value than Israeli lives. Santorum was joined on a voice vote by other Senators too eager to please the Israel Lobby, but not so eager to have their names on another prowar resolution that may come back to bite them in 2008.
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AliceWonderland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:14 PM
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11. Thank you, IndianaGreen
I had the exact same incredulous reaction when I heard Senator Santorum's remarks on the precious nature of human life.

All we need to do to stop the anti-stem cell crowd is tell them the embryos are Arab.

I believe that all human life is precious. But I am being bombarded with sick messages that some live are more precious than others. Some violence is fine, when clothed in military uniform and wealth. What sick shit this all is.

Damn, I hate war.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:01 PM
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8. Every innocent who is killed will score Hezbollah one more militant
You're going a heck of a Job Israel! :thumbsdown:
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 06:01 PM
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7. i cannot imagine them doing the same for ANY other nation in a
similar circumstance. this affair has really exposed Bushco.'s mideast agenda.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 07:01 PM
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9. War criminal. I hope I live long enough to see Condi and her husb...tried
and executed for war crimes and treason. Also, the Neocon murders leading Israel.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 07:09 PM
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10. "de-fang" is just another soundbite...
Just another juicy delicious bon bon to feed the noise machine. Cute, glib, visual, easily repeated as if it really meant something other than the bloodshed and sorrow that is engulfing the whole region.

It's a mouth bauble for pundits.
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AnOhioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:30 PM
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12. Our gov't is complicit in the carnage.
It is now wonder we have lost almost every shred or respect we ever had in the world.

Helluva job Georgie.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 09:38 PM
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13. gee, demonization much, eh?
It's coming to get you ...



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