Bush faces backlash for stem cell veto

[deminks]

Experts condemn 'setback' for research into life-threatening ailments
THE international medical community condemned President Bush’s veto yesterday of a Bill that would have allowed federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. It claimed that millions of patients worldwide would suffer as a result.

Doctors and scientists expressed dismay that Mr Bush chose the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, passed by 63 votes to 37 in the US Senate on Tuesday, as the first Bill that he has vetoed since taking office.

Lord Rees of Ludlow, the president of the Royal Society in London, said that Mr Bush’s veto was “slowing down the global effort to develop therapies for a range of diseases and illnesses . . . that could eventually help millions of patients in the US and the rest of the world”.

Mr Bush supports adult stem cell research. But even some doctors opposed to embryonic stem cell research on moral grounds expressed anger at recent comments by Karl Rove, the President’s chief adviser, that researchers have found “far more promise from adult stem cells than from embryonic stem cells”. Markus Grompe, director of an Oregon stem cell centre, said there was “no factual basis to compare the promise” of the two stem cell sources.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2277642,00.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. The only backlash Bush would care about

is amongst his base, and those people apparently are suffering under the delusion that he's just "saved" thousands of "fetuses" or even "babies" from being "murdered" when that's not what is happening at all.

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. Yeah, I think he's pandering to his base

Which is surely white fundamentalist evangelical Christians, if the dog and pony show was anything to go by... not a person of color in the entire room.



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[stepnw1f]

11. Not Really

He's just keeping the people's government from controlling stem cell technology and research. Which, as we have seen before, is detrimental to society. Only the uber wealthy will be able to afford to invest and use this technology.

[VegasWolf]

25. Exactly, China will do it better and we know that poor China needs the

money. Fuch Bush, but with those narrow-set eyes, we know he has no vision.

:puke:

[PsychoDad]

26. Yep...

Got to keep that backwash of 30% happy.

There will be no backlash as long as they own the voting machines....

Peace.

[Sam Odom]

2. Who thinks * cares about backlash ? n/t

n/t

[jobycom]

3. I wonder if he even knows why he did it. He's not up for election, his

"religion" is just a put-on. Why does he care? Sometimes I think all of his decisions are just to mock the people who voted his father out of office. "Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to be Bushed."

[samsingh]

5. the deaths of millions of children don't seem to bother bush

[DELUSIONAL]

6. I hope that the Democratic party uses this issue in Fall campaigns

[Tellurian]

7. I hope Mr. Bush doesn't become a QUAD anytime soon and have to suffer

under his own lack of good judgment..

[neoblues]

16. After all...

That wouldn't be a case of poetic justice, would it? Oh, it rather would? Indeed.

Alas, you're right though, to wish such things upon another--no matter how harmful they are or have been to literally everything and everyone in the world--would harm oneself more than them, and so would be pointless. Still, one can say with all honesty that he deserves worse (worse than most of us can imagine--though Christians themselves do come close with their own concept of eternal suffering/burning in a lake of fire for eternity in Hell (though their notion that one can avoid such justice by a mere belated expression of belief or any other such 'easy' salvation should be excluded, at least in such cases)).

Methinks *'d better hope there is nothing to the notion of Karma.

[neoblues]

8. I are the decider.. "an I'm Not Going To Allow It"

It represents a departure from the policies supported by the Congress for the last 10 years (so Bush says; and is probably not totally inaccurate); but George seems unable to conceive that sometimes, based on new information, it's proper that people should "change course".

That is, we have a President (pretender) "who believes the same thing on Wednesday that he believed on Monday, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED on Tuesday". People once believed his "stay the course" was a sign of strength, courage and determination... instead, he simply hasn't a clue how or why to change course and "doesn't wanna". More comfy in his limited, closed, unchanging little world, he doesn't want change.

Worse, he actually thinks it's his job to decide--according to his own personal preferences--to veto the will of Americans. No doubt he thinks he's right on the issue itself, but this is a second issue--that of whether the President should obstruct a bill that reflects what the people and their representatives want. When should the Executive seek to overrule the legislative? Somehow, I don't think this is one of them--though I seem to be having difficulty with being able to make an argument why. Anyone who has some good thinking on why Dubya shouldn't be using his veto power on items like this...

Still, what arrogance and hubris it is for the man to stand up and tell America, both the people and their Congress (who happen, for once, to agree--owing to Congress finally being more or less on the correct side of an issue), the "He" won't allow it. "He" knows better. "He" is our "moral compass". "He" is our leader (ie. "Ruler"). Heaven forbid (even if there's no 'Heaven').

[crossroads]

18. He couldn't even spell decider before and now he are one! lol

:mad:

[Ian David]

9. We have to save the Petri-Americans! n/t

[HuffleClaw]

13. BWAHHAHHAHAHAAAAA

'petri-americans' !!!!!

[Spazito]

27. ROFL!

That's a keeper!


:rofl:

[footinmouth]

37. Petri-Americans BWAH

You just made my day. :bounce:

[Thor_MN]

10. What chaps my hide: The embryos in question are about to be destroyed

anyway. The choice for the "parents" are use them, destroy them or donate them. Due to "custody" (think divorces) issues, most places will not let you store them anymore. So it's use 'em or lose 'em.

Basically, Bush is saying that it is better to destroy embryos than have any use come from them.

[Tellurian]

15. Can they exercise their voter's rights before the final flush? n/t

[Thor_MN]

28. Who? The donors of the egg and sperm? I suppose so...

Or are you maybe refering to the ball of cells that is either going to be tossed in the trash or used for research? Do you understand that the extra embryos are going to be destroyed in any case? The veto of this bill does absolutely nothing to save any embryos.

Read it slowly. NOT ONE EMBRYO has been "SAVED" by this veto.

The options for storing embryos have become extremely limited as getting caught in the middle of a "custody" battle is not in the fertility clinic's interest. So-called "Snowflake" babies, i.e. adopted embryos are an option of last resort (virtually everyone prefers to use their own genetic material). It's great if it happens and there are probably some wonderful kids born this way, but more embryos are created than are implanted.

Bottom line - the extra embryos are going to be destroyed.

[crossroads]

12. Did you notice

at his press photo op, there were children at Bush's back who were making noise... when he announced his veto...
They had to put the kids there to show he is really concerned for the unborn and the family IMO! What a phony! What about our kids dying in Iraq because of his distain for human life!!!

[DemoTex]

14. The Bu$h legacy is written in blood, oil, money .. and pure, raw power.

Other than exalting those four gods that rule his miserable, cursed life, Bu$h has no interest in ever redeeming himself or his name. Tonight, I think seriously that Bu$h is the anti-Christ. I would say damn Bu$h to hell, but that, I am afraid, is from where he came. He is as soulless a man as has ever walked the face of the earth.

[KatyaR]

17. Don't discredit this--this veto makes him look strong, like he

stood up to the heathens in Congress and defended the helpless.

I think this is basically a election-year strategy. In another year or so this will come back around again. It's like Rachel Maddow said this morning--this "stem-cell farm" bill that was passed today is legislation against something that doesn't exist. This is election-year posing, that's all.

[rodeodance]

19. people need to remember this come Nov (and nov in a few years).

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[MichiganVote]

21. BS. These are cells, not babies. Take your morality and stuff it.

[CountAllVotes]

22. I agree!!!

:grr: :argh:

[MichiganVote]

23. Thank you. And may I say,

Viva cannibalize a'la republicans!

[CountAllVotes]

24. maybe they love their little babies

but remember, they also love to rape, murder and kill living babies too! I guess they don't count in Iraq and elsewhere do they? :grr:

U.S. OUT OF IRAQ!

[saigon68]

35. Au Revoir

[samsingh]

29. as he should. This has removed hope from many - but only until

bush is kicked out of office

[sabra]

30. Scientists blast Bush for stem cell study veto

http://www.unison.ie/worldnews/stories.php3?ca=30&si=1656262

Scientists blast Bush for stem cell study veto

THE international medical community yesterday condemned President George Bush's veto of a Bill that would have allowed federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

It claimed that millions of patients worldwide would suffer as a result.

Doctors and scientists expressed dismay that Mr Bush chose the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act, passed by 63 votes to 37 in the US Senate on Tuesday, as the first Bill that he has vetoed since taking office.

Although two-thirds of Americans support government funding of embryonic stem cell research, which scientists say could lead to cures for many life-threatening and disabling ailments, including Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases, spinal cord injuries and juvenile diabetes, Mr Bush has been adamant that he would block such legislation on moral grounds.

...

Mr Bush supports adult stem cell research. But even some doctors opposed to embryonic stem cell research on moral grounds expressed anger at recent comments by Karl Rove, the President's chief adviser, that researchers have found "far more promise from adult stem cells than from embryonic stem cells". Markus Grompe, director of an Oregon stem cell centre, said there was "no factual basis to compare the promise" of the two cell sources. (©The Times, London)

[Erika]

31. Karl Rove is the Bushbot who knows how to deliver the

23% club to the GOP.

[jerry611]

32. He's got to keep the brainless 40% happy!

Too bad it's at the expense of everyone...

[Kurovski]

33. See post #1!

:-)Even folks who still may "approve" of george are for the research, and understand why it's important.

[Kurovski]

34. It's post #31, now that the threads were combined.

[saigon68]

36. The Chimp wants Creationism taught in Religious Public Schools

Its a movement to turn people into right wing fundamentalist nut jobs