400,000 Frozen Embryos (only 128 'snowflakes' have been adopted)

[johnfunk]

So, maybe we can get the former Texas governor to use the unitary executive bully pulpit to find 400,000 evangelical Xtian couples to adopt a snowflake, don'tcha think?

400,000 Frozen Embryos
...But only 128 'snowflakes' have been adopted. Will the stem-cell veto hurt the GOP?
by Eleanor Clift

...

There are 400,000 embryos languishing in storage tanks at fertility clinics; only a very small number are candidates for adoption. “Even with federal funding available to encourage adoption, the number is 128, which makes it conclusive that these 400,000 embryos will either be used for scientific research or thrown away,” said Republican Sen. Arlen Specter, who supports expanded research. The legislation, which passed by wide margins in the Republican-controlled House and Senate but fell short of a vetoproof two-thirds majority, would only use embryos that would otherwise be discarded, and then only with the written consent of the couple that created them.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. any info on who paid for the snowbabies

travel to Washington for Boy George's dog and pony show that Snow denied he would have?

(Come to think of it, we need to hijack the snowflake term.
LET'S USE IT FOR TONY SNOW witicisms instead! Watch how quickly they drop its usage)

[Fridays Child]

9. Snowflake detainees?

[johnfunk]

10. Heeeere comes.... Tony Snowflake...

Dressed in a J. Press suit,
Lie, lie, lyin' like he did on FOX
So much it makes you puke.

Here comes Tony Snowflake;
Soon you will hear him say,
"Helen Thomas speaks for Hezbollah,
I wish she'd go away.

When I'm speaking for the Bush Boy,
I fool the public, one, two, three.
If you wanna smear a liberal --
Heck! The filth's on me!"

Here comes Tony Snowflake,
Keeping our nation dumb,
Bringing joy to ev'ry Neocon,
H's still media scum.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. with all the bad news, your post is most welcome.

[TheSubliminableKid]

15. ROTFLMAO! Best Chimpmas Carol EVER!

:rofl::applause::spray::applause::rofl:
:spray::spray::spray::spray::spray:
:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:

Some innovative DUer should record this and get it off to Randi Rhodes, Stephanie Miller, Ed Schultz...

[Up2Late]

27. Sorry, I'm having trouble with the tune, is this set to "Here comes...

...Peter Cotton Tail..." or "Here come Santa Clause..."???

Help me out here?:shrug:

[johnfunk]

29. Here Comes Suzy Snowflake

You can hear an MiDi version of the tune here (click the MiDi link). Rosemary Clooney's cover of this song is one of my favorite old-fashioned holiday pop songs. And people of a certain age who grew up in or near Chicago may well remember a wonderful little stop-motion animated version that WGN would play on Saturday mornings during the holiday season.

[Up2Late]

40. Excellent, that helps a lot

Fits perfectly.

[saigon68]

11. The Chimpanzee had us pay to kill 10,000 or more children "Blown to Bits"

That's OK tho

Their parents were Muslim wearing rag-heads

[Canuckistanian]

2. Free the Snowflake 400,000!

They are being held against their will in a cryogenic prison! Oh, the microscopic humanity!

[Joe Bacon]

24. When is Sam Brownback gonna inplant the remainig 399,872 flakes?

I guess if he can't find enough Christian families to take them, he'll just flush them down the toilet in the name of Jesus.

Oh, just praise the Lord!

[Canuckistanian]

38. I guess he's busy

Although the thought of Brownback pesonally implanting all those blastocysts into willing uterii is grossing me out.

[rodeodance]

3. wonder if this veto pen with show up in his Library?

Bush banned the media from watching him wield his veto pen, the first of his presidency; then he welcomed cameras as he explained his decision at a White House reception surrounded by “snowflake babies” and their grateful parents.

[54anickel]

16. Yep, being framed as we speak - it's the red one on the right.

[MissWaverly]

4. A voice of reason in the GOP

these "embryos" are only a few cells, smaller than a pencil point, there is no way they will be used, I knew a couple that went through this. They wanted a baby, not to repopulate the planet. I think that the process had resulted in 10 or 11 of these
embryos with 2 of them viable.

[napi21]

5. Don't you think the donor parents may have a problem with

someone "adopting" their fertilized eggs?

I've been thinking about this since Shrub started publicizing the Snowflakes. Don't you think some people would be concerned about WHO might be adopting "their" potential kids? I think the legal problems could be resolved, but I'm talking about emotional ties. I think at least some people would prefer their leftover embryos to be used for science instead of never knowing if or where their offspring were.

[LA lady]

14. Very few

Only 2% of the fertilized embryos have been allowed to be adopted. Parents are very wary of letting their genetic material out.

Most end of being unusable or being destroyed.

Many are given to private research labs doing embryonic stem cell research. Just no federal government funding. (I have MS so I keep track of this!) Many MS patients are already reciving stem cell therapy from UMBILICAL cells or from our own marrow. Very promising.

[napi21]

22. That's what I expected. I only knew one couple who went through

a fert. clinic. It's very expensive, and takes a lot of effort and dedication to accomplishing what you want. I would have been shocked to hear that very many were willing to just give the OK to someone unknown to use their genes.

Good luck to you. I hope they come up with a cure soon.

[bluerum]

6. If the embryos are human - isn't this like selling people?

Even with federal funding available to encourage adoption

Is this true - there is a federal government program to fund the acquisition human beings!! They call it adoption but the embryo's will be sold. Why do we fund this insanity and not fund research?

[Deja Q]

35. Oy! That's intellectualism! Don't display it!

Can't have logic being used!

Good job, your observation. :) :thumbsup:

[onehandle]

7. Hey, Bush. When are your healthy daughters going to sign up?

They could carry one "snowflake" to term, every year, for the next twenty years or more.

Stand by your "beliefs" and get those daughters impregnated!

[kskiska]

21. The Bush Twins ARE snowflake babies

Laura Bush underwent fertility treatments. I guess that's why she had twins. Who knows? Maybe she'd have had quintuplets and aborted the rest.

[MADem]

34. Hell, they could do it two at a time, like mama did NT

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. If I was a snowflake

I wouldn't mind being used to help someone else live. It would certainly be better then getting thrown in a garbage pail.

[bluedog]

12. ad in flyer in St Pete.Fl...$18,000 to be surrogate

never seen this ad before.........comes from Open Arms

all GOP woman should get busy.....hey.they even make money on this deal

http://www.openarmsconsultants.com/index.php?action=main

[fasttense]

17. Do you know why they call them snowflakes?

Because no two are alike and they are all white. On the Daily Show the other night.

[grahamhgreen]

18. Can I adopt 1.000 and write them off on my taxes as dependents?

[Up2Late]

26. Actually, you might have just nailed this scam, because only about...

...1 of 7 or so, of these frozen, soon to be discarded, leftover Early Blastocyst (NOT Embryos!) even end up working out to make a child.

I bet they do get a tax break for each one the "adopt."

If this wasn't mostly just bogus propaganda, and they applied ALL the laws they keep preaching, all these people would be up on several counts of murder for ALL the Early Blastocyst that die in the process.

Here's a link to the Visible Embryo, an excellent website that shows the stages of development, a stage 3 or 4 Early Blastocyst is what we are talking about here:

<http://www.visembryo.com/baby/stage3.html>

<http://www.visembryo.com/baby/index.html>

[krkaufman]

19. Eureka!

Maybe this is the answer to John Gibson's dilemna. I look forward to hearing John call for his listeners to adopt all these frozen souls.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

20. 28 years and 3,000,000 babies,Talk back in 1978:Test Tube master race?

"On July 25th, 1978, Drs. Robert Edwards and Patrick Steptoe deliver the world’s first test tube baby. Louise Brown is the daughter of Lesley and John, a couple from Bristol, England, who have been trying to conceive for nine years. Their miraculous success gives hope to millions of infertile couples but arouses deep concern in others. Should man play God? Will scientists soon be able to manufacture a master race? On CBC’s Radio Noon phone-in program, callers give their opinions.http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-75-610-3415/science_technology/infertility/clip2 Rabbi Gunther Plaut, the in-studio guest, is skeptical about this scientific advancement. Having escaped Hitler’s Germany, he’s all too aware of the possibility of genetic engineering. Some of the show’s callers are more optimistic, seeing the possibility of offering motherhood to all. Fifteen per cent of couples suffer infertility. In Lesley Brown’s case, blocked fallopian tubes are the problem; her eggs cannot travel from her ovaries to her uterus. Her only hope was an unproven procedure - in vitro fertilization." Some people thought that in-vitro fertilization was the heralding of a Brave New World, and that it would replace natural procreation?
Well, it turns out that argument was total bulls**t...it brought hope to millions of infertile couples.

[superconnected]

23. Do ppl ALLOW them to keep the embryos?

I doubt it.

WTF.

[Up2Late]

25. "Human life...should never be...put up for sale..." GWB SOTU 2006

Remember when "the Decider" said this!!!

"...A hopeful society has institutions of science and medicine that do not cut ethical corners, and that recognize the matchless value of every life. Tonight I ask you to pass legislation to prohibit the most egregious abuses of medical research: human cloning in all its forms, creating or implanting embryos for experiments, creating human-animal hybrids, and buying, selling, or patenting human embryos. Human life is a gift from our Creator -- and that gift should never be discarded, devalued

or put up for sale....":hi:

--- George W. Bush, January 31, 2006 STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS United States Capitol
Washington, D.C. 9:12 P.M. EST <http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2006/index.html>

The selective morality of the GOP is just STUNNING on this one! Because unless they are giving these "snowflake embrios" away FOR FREE, which they are NOT, they are "...creating or implanting embryos for experiments...and buying, selling...human embryos." "...Human life...should never be...put up for sale...." :banghead:
:rant: :nuke:

Anyone have one of the Snowflake Baby press conferences on tape or your DVR? This would be an easy attack ad to edit!

[chat_noir]

31. Up2Late, your post deserves a recommendation

You should give it a separate thread.

[Up2Late]

43. I agree, here's the link...

...I hope you will be one of the first to give it a kick in the morning, and a recommend would help too.

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1708392>

[daleo]

28. So one "snowflake" in 4000 gets to live

Of all the ludicrous political issues, this one stands out.

[screenplaya]

30. But, its science!

Why don't these greedy nuts start adopting? Using embryos to turn into soldiers of the abortion movement seems so self serving and expensive.

[kestrel91316]

32. I think every "christian" couple who has opposed abortion in any way

should be forced to "adopt" these embryos and carry them to term, one at a time, until there are no more left.

Maybe 80,000 couples, with 5 forced pregnancies each. Works for me.

[yorkiemommie1]

33. How about those rw fundie preachers

make this a topic for their sermons?

They like to mix religion, and politics and put their own spin on it so why don't they push snowflake adoptions every Sunday? Think of the possibilities for bake sales and craft fairs and the creative Snowflake cookies and cupcakes and baby clothes these folks could make to help their members who want to adopt a snowflake.

Why this could become a new Project for Pickles!



:sarcasm:

[HockeyMom]

36. Even IF 400,000 embryos

were implanted in other women, they will NOT result in 400,000 babies. Simple biology. Every fertilized egg does not result in a full term baby, even with natural intercourse. Duh? That is the REASON they create multiple embryos in the first place.

But then, this administration wants to rewrite science back to the stone age to fit their Fundie agenda.

[daleo]

37. You mean God murders embryos, too?

I am shocked, shocked I say.

[johnfunk]

39. When it comes to embryos God's his nasty Ol' Testament self

All that smiting and unleashing of His Wrighteous Rath®, don'tchaknow...

[lindisfarne]

41. Too bad there isn't as much concern for the non-white non-embryo children

sitting in orphanages and foster care.

[NMMNG]

42. That's one reason the fundies push so hard for abortion to be outlawed

Must increase the pool of adoptable white babies.

[johnfunk]

44. They're "Snowflake children" 'cause no 2 are alike and they're all white!

NT

[colorado_ufo]

45. Only 399,872 uteri left to find.