Israeli warplanes kill 3 fleeing Lebanese

[leftchick]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060723/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes struck a minibus carrying people fleeing the fighting Sunday in southern Lebanon, killing three people, Lebanese security officials said, and Israel said it would accept a NATO-led international force to keep the peace along the border.


Hezbollah rockets killed two civilians in northern Israel, and a member of the U.N. observer team in south Lebanon was seriously wounded by guerrilla fire.

The top U.N. humanitarian official, touring Beirut, said billions of dollars will be needed to repair damage from 12 days of warfare.

Israeli troops continued to hold a Lebanese border village that they battled their way into the day before, but did not appear to be advancing, Lebanese security officials said. Its warplanes and artillery, meanwhile, were battering areas across the south.

Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz told the Cabinet that the current offensive is not an invasion of Lebanon, but rather a series of limited raids into the area.

[partylessinOhio]

1. What were the "blanks" raiding on the minibus?

This is all BS!

The world remains silent letting innocent people be incinerated by the precision guided phosphorus incendiary devices.

[UpInArms]

2. are they targeting white flags or white clothing?

http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2000/investigative-reporting/works/AP10.html

the more things change, the more they stay the same :(

[xultar]

3. Oopps. Bush calls the Israeli PM. I told you to watch the civilians now

I can't hold this shit off if you keep doin that shit. Shit. Oh Shit. I'm gettin hot..wanna massage?

[DELUSIONAL]

18. WOW -- you channel bushie really well.

<rofl>

[DoYouEverWonder]

4. You know the Israelis don't target civilians

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[LostinVA]

9. I know, and anyone who says they do

just doesn't want the Israeli government to defend themselves from civilians fleeing the area of S. Lebanon JUST LIKE THEY ORDERED THEM TO DO OR BE KILLED.

Talk about going beyond jumping the shark...

[Malva Zebrina]

5. Oh, this is new

Israel said it would accept a NATO-led international force to keep the peace along the border.

Just in time for Condi's appearance after her staying in the background for twelve days. She is gonna bring the peace to the ME now!

[Buzz Clik]

6. NPR this morning: a family in a car blown up

...within 100 feet of a hospital.

Hospitals are no longer off limits?

My sympathies for the Israelis are dwindling.

[951-Riverside]

7. Israel has a right to defend herself

...against anyone who is 1-2 shades darker :sarcasm:

[atfqn]

15. These were exactly my thoughts.

DU seems to have been overrun with Israeli apologists of late. Calling posters who question Israeli wisdom in their attacks on citizens anti-semitic etc. etc. etc. Unfortunately for all parties involved this Israeli invasion of Lebanon over two captured soldiers will only help to destabilize the region and provide the catalyst needed for Arab nations to band together. No, this will only bring more hardship and loss.

Interesting side note it seems this plan of attack has been planned for over a year:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1709626

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[kamtsa]

8. Self editing?

Hmm, the title of that article is 'Civilian deaths mount in Mideast violence" and not "Israeli warplanes kill 3 fleeing Lebanese".

I can think of two explanations for the inaccuracy of the posting

1. A biased DU'er
2. Last minute reediting of the title by Yahoo.

Knowing the integrity of my fellow DU'ers, it must be #2.

[54anickel]

14. CBS. ABC and Forbes still have it under the original title. Wonder if

they'll change them soon?

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=Israeli%20warplanes%20kill%203%20fleeing%20Lebanese

[cali]

10. Tragic

all of it, and that includes the two Israeli citizens who lost their lives this morning, too.

[The Stranger]

11. But there is a whole lot more tragedy for one side than the other,

and that tragedy is being bought with U.S. tax dollars.

[cali]

12. Do you actually have a problem

with my recognizing that the deaths of the two Israelis are also tragic?
One shouldn't have to offer a disclaimer after a brief statement saying that all civilian deaths are tragic.

[The Stranger]

16. Resorting to "it's just so tragic for everyone" can easily become a smoke-

screen and blunt the force of moral responsibility. I'm not saying this was your intention, but it may be the intent of others.

Far more innocent Lebanese have perished at the hands of the IDF than Israelis have perished at the hands of someone who doesn't even represent the Lebanese.

Saying "it's all so tragic on both sides" just doesn't quite seem to get it.

[cali]

17. I've condemned Israel's actions

ad nauseum. As I said, I shouldn't have to issue a disclaimer. And you shouldn't be attempting to figure out whether posters have hidden motives. Not one person on the thread had mentioned one word about the Israeli civilian deaths written about in the article. Recognizing the common humanity of all the victims, is not putting up a 'smoke screen'. It's a pity you don't seem to recognize that.

[The Stranger]

26. Israel is using U.S. weaponry to bomb innocents who never attacked Israel.

So in a thread about Israel using that U.S.-made weaponry to murder innocent civilians who never had anything to do with attacking Israel, the response you posted seems to from both to deviate from the subject of the original post in the thread and, honestly, to misdirect moral responsibility where it truly belongs.

[nashville_brook]

23. what's with the bullying?

is there ONE thread you haven't responded to regarding the war against lebanon? is there one thread -- just one -- where we can see cali at his or her best: forming relationships and not just swinging wildly at everything in sight?

it's been days. it's going to be weeks. pace yourself.

[daleo]

13. Why did they attack a fleeing minibus?

Did they think Hezbollah fighters were in it? That's the only halfway reasonable excuse I can think of.

The Israelis should explain their actions in these cases, in detail. Otherwise it is natural to assume they are just strafing civilians to create chaos and as collective punishment of the people for supporting Hezbollah.

Today's CNN report said the U.S. population was something like 55% to 35% against Bush's handling of this situation (and by proxy Israel's, in my opinion). No doubt it is these continual civilian deaths that are responsible for the numbers.

[IndianaGreen]

20. Israel's attitudes towards her neighbors are driven by racism

and what Israel is doing in Lebanon is the same thing the Luftwaffe did to Poland in 1939, the indiscriminate bombing of cities.

[saigon68]

21. Or what the Luftwaffe did to Guernica

[Marie26]

27. It looks like

the Air Force is targeting anything vaguely similar to a truck. Trucks might carry arms, or people. They'll sort it out later.

[Nihil]

32. But I'll bet that the brave pilots ...

... would scream like hell if a survivor of one of their "mistakes" was
to take out some of the Air Force barracks (complete with any innocents
in the area ... hey, they're just "potential targets" anyway aren't they?).

[The_Casual_Observer]

22. As they say, they are fighting teaawor with teaawor

[FreeStateDemocrat]

24. Must be bad even ABC showed seriously wounded Arab boy on evening news.

It was a heart breaker with little boy in hospital bed badly busted up and grieving mother beside him having, I believe, also lost her husband. My only thought was this has to stop right now and that Dim-son is an evil heartless bastard to allow this to continue without US efforts to halt it. How can the ignorant SOB believe in hell and not act if only to save his own worthless immortal soul, what a degenerate hypocrite. Comparisons to Hitler are becoming quite justified.

[IndianaGreen]

25. Israel tells civilians to leave, then she shoots them as they flee

Robert Fisk: A war crime?

This mother and son were in a convoy fleeing danger yesterday when the Israeli air force bombed the rear minibus, causing carnage.

Published: 24 July 2006

They are in the schools, in empty hospitals, in halls and mosques and in the streets. The Shia Muslim refugees of southern Lebanon, driven from their homes by the Israelis, are arriving in Sidon by the thousand, cared for by Sunni Muslims and then sent north to join the 600,000 displaced Lebanese in Beirut. More than 34,000 have passed through here in the past four days alone, a tide of misery and anger. It will take years to heal their wounds, and billions of dollars to repair their damaged property.

And who can blame them for their flight? For the second time in eight days, the Israelis committed a war crime yesterday. They ordered the villagers of Taire, near the border, to leave their homes and then - as their convoy of cars and minibuses obediently trailed northwards - the Israeli air force fired a missile into the rear minibus, killing three refugees and seriously wounding 13 other civilians. The rocket that killed them is believed to have been a Hellfire missile made by Lockheed Martin in Florida.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1193097.ece

[Scurrilous]

28. Senior British MP calls to halt weapons exports to Israel

<snip>

"The leader of Britain's opposition Liberal Democrats on Monday asked Prime Minister Tony Blair to suspend arms exports to Israel after fighting that has killed hundreds of civilians.

In a letter, Menzies Campbell urged Blair to halt the trade following the Israeli offensive against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, launched after two soldiers were kidnapped in a cross-border raid earlier this month. Israel retaliated with punishing airstrikes on Lebanon's airport, ports and roads - while Hezbollah fired rockets into Israel.

"In light of disproportionate military action by Israel in Lebanon and Gaza, the U.K. government must suspend any further arms exports to Israel," Campbell wrote.

He said that over the past 18 months, the government had licensed the export of arms to Israel worth over 25 million pounds, ($45 million) including components for naval light guns, military utility helicopters, aircraft radars and electronic warfare equipment.

"(UN Secretary-General) Kofi Annan has said attacks in Lebanon are inflicting collective punishment on the Lebanese people and the UN Emergency Relief Co-ordinator has described attacks on Beirut as a violation of humanitarian law," Campbell wrote. "The Government must now comply with its own arms export rules and institute an immediate suspension of all U.K. arms exports to Israel."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/742205.html

[Poll_Blind]

29. (Photo)Dying Lebanese mother comforts her son after Israeli attack on car

Article here.

PB

[gulfcoastliberal]

30. Why do you despise Israel?

Perhaps you should live amongst the Taliban and see how you're treated. Or Iran, Saudia Arabia, and perhaps Somalia as well. Then lets here about how great those societies are...

No country is perfect - case in point, we've called plenty more muslims in Iraq than Israel has in its history. Try reading some history before posting such hate.

[armin]

31. all she did was post a news article

but it is pretty despicable to bomb people as theyre running away

[Nihil]

33. She posted an article which adequately explained why.

The Taliban, Iran and Saudi Arabia are not killing innocent men, women & children
with the approval of the US, UK and other puppy-dog nations. I seem to recall a
recent media blitz on Iran, whilst the same people ignore the mass murder (and
other war crimes) that the "Chosen People" are applying to their neighbours.
This two-faced immorality is why people currently despise the Israeli state.

> ... we've called plenty more muslims in Iraq than Israel has in its history.
> Try reading some history before posting such hate.

Presuming that you mean "killed" rather than "called" then yes, you have killed
plenty of muslims in Iraq. Is that meant to make everything ok? Israel hasn't
killed as many in Lebanon (this time) as America has in Iraq (this time)?
This means that Israel gets a free pass until it can catch up?

If you read a little history you too would recognise why these events are so
wrong ... they are the replica of the events that preceded the establishment
of Israel but with the so-called "righteous" party on the wrong side.
All you need is the armbands to complete the picture ...