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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:45 PM
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Gunmen hit radio station in Oaxaca
Gunmen hit radio station in Oaxaca
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0607240199jul24,1,5979840.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed
Published July 24, 2006

OAXACA, MEXICO -- Gunmen attacked Oaxaca's university radio station, authorities said .... The university radio station has supported a wave of protests aimed at ousting Oaxaca state Gov. Ulises Ruiz, who is accused of rigging the 2004 election ... Dozens of protesters arrived with sticks and stones Sunday to guard the radio station.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 04:53 PM
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1. It's too bad I can only give one recommendation to a post because...
...this deserves alot of attention in my opinion. My axe is our interference and participation in Middle Eastern politics but this Mexican election (or faux-election as it might be more-correctly termed) conflict is going to have a tremendous impact on the United States, especially if Calderon can get away with the theft.

  This attack is something I've been scanning the news for recently- the leftists in Mexico are not taking this theft sitting down like most Americans did when it happened to us. I expect to see a rise, and likely a sharp one, in violence against leftist Mexican protesters. Once this bottle has been opened, as it appears in this incident, it is going to be very difficult to put the d'jinn back into it.

  Because Fox is supporting Calderon (surprise) I fear what sorts of para-military groups are forming to break up the protestation against this electoral theft.

PB
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:22 PM
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17. Given the protest is about a 2004 fixed election
We can take a real lesson from the Mexican activists. Don't let an election theft go unanswered, even years later.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:33 PM
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2. some thoughts
i just returned from mexico and was there DURING the election and the recent aftermath

and on that note...

i have not seen any evidence, but would love to see some, that the election was fixed

it was a close election, and i am not surprised that the (apparent) loser would make that claim. but claim =/= evidence

i generally follow the precept of 'don't discuss politics with strnagers while in a foreign country", however i did discuss it with friends while i was down there

support for both candidates was pretty strong. they were pretty different. iow, it was a very heated election

i had friends (mexican citizens) on both sides.


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LeighAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:39 PM
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3. Ummmm... ballots at the landfill?
In how many cities did they find ballots in the landfills? Let's see... there were more shenanigans, I need to look them up.

~*Peace*~

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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:40 PM
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4. shenanigans?
is that like hijinks?!?!

:)

like i said, i am open to evidence iow links or something
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:58 PM
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6. .
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 06:00 PM by skids
http://www.narconews.com/Issue42/article1972.html

(For the record Oaxaca and the national election are not as related as might be construed by onlookers.)
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:08 PM
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8. thx for the link
i am mildly familiar with the whole chiapas/zapatista thang

that's also a big mexico issue and has been for some time
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 07:38 PM
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18. Also go to gregpalast.com. he has written several articles about
the theft of the mexican election. he is there, in mexico City.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:32 PM
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12. Mexicans have real backbone about integrity == Great read, thanks
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 06:35 PM by L. Coyote
Remember, the revolution continued for nearly a century the first time around, before fully and permanently institutionalized.

"... as La Jornada filed its story last night and, at press time, the ten IFE officials and the PAN truck chauffer, caught red-handed, were still held prisoner inside the offices ..."

by local citizens who caught them in the act.

"....If they truly believed their own publicly stated hype – that the Supreme Electoral Tribunal (Trife, as it is known) will not require a recount – there would have been no need to sneak into enemy territory and illegally open ballot boxes. The criminal operation would only be necessary if a recount is in the cards and, thus, the need to disappear López Obrador’s votes. The other presumption that this crime story unmasks is that the IFE and the PAN know that a recount will show López Obrador the rightful winner of the presidential election...."

http://www.narconews.com/Issue42/article1972.html
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:58 PM
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20. Thanks for posting this EXCELLENT information. n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 06:45 AM
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27. kick
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:43 PM
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14. The bigger problem for ... Bush ... is awakening historic memory
More:

"...The bigger problem for George W. Bush than that of who is president of Mexico is that of who is president of the United States. The exploding story of massive electoral fraud in Mexico next-door is having an unintended consequence: It is awakening historic memory of the electoral frauds carried out to make Bush president up North..."
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 08:56 PM
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19. 2004 vs. 2006 fixed election issues
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 08:56 PM by L. Coyote
"Oaxaca and the national election are not as related as might be construed by onlookers..."

2004 state governor election vs. 2006 presidential election.

What is consistent, both are fixed election issues. They sure seem related. But, 2000 and 2004 in USA do seem more related!!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:42 PM
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13. Here ya go.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:46 PM
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15. thx
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:49 PM
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16. np
What was the general mood of the people you were around? I bet Mexico is a very interesting place to be right now.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:19 AM
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26. Any objections to counting the votes one by one then?
Why do you need 100% proven evidence of fraud just to count each vote one by one in an election this close?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:46 PM
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5. Looks like the handiwork of PRI
the other corrupt party, the PAN being the other.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 05:59 PM
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7. MEXICO: Gunmen attack university radio station
MEXICO: Gunmen attack university radio station


New York, July 24, 2006—The Committee to Protect Journalists condemns an attack by gunmen on a university radio station in Oaxaca, southeast Mexico, which has backed efforts to oust the local state governor.

At least 10 men in ski masks sprayed bullets at Radio Universidad on the evening of July 22 as it was on the air, Mexican and international media reported. Nobody was hurt in the attack. The gunmen rode in four vehicles with Mexico City license plates.

Francisco Javier Merino, a reporter for the station at the Universidad Autónoma Benito Juárez de Oaxaca, told CPJ that staff dove for cover as the attackers drove around the buildings firing at the offices and antennas. María del Carmen López Velázquez, who was broadcasting at the time, made an on-air appeal for help before the transmission was cut.

Merino said the gunmen left as neighbors arrived. Staff recovered more than 50 bullet casings.
(snip/...)

http://www.cpj.org/news/2006/americas/mexico24july06na.html






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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:10 PM
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9. sources say
this attack was in response to the radio station's decision to host a 24 hr Yanni only playlist
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:19 PM
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10. I feel like tearing stuff up just thinking about it!


Shove off, Janni
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 06:20 PM
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11. ahhHHHHH!H!H!H!@H!@H
my EYES! make it stop

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 09:35 PM
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21. I met someone from Oaxaca today.
She didn't even know this shit was going on.

Glad to give this nom #10.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:07 AM
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28. Perhaps she considered these shenanigans beneath her...
Was she vacationing in Tiburon?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:19 PM
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22. "...three “camionetas”, about 25 “paramilitares” carrying “cartuchos”..."
Radio Universidad Attacked
By Nancy Davies,
At 9:15 PM July 22 shouts interrupted on-the-air Radio Universidad - a shout for help, while in the background I could hear the doors being pounded as if someone was trying to smash them, and a women screaming. A male voice managed to shout, “We are being attacked!” There was a sound like glass breaking. Then the station went silent......
The single cry for help that made it onto the air brought people from the neighboring streets, but the students and people inside managed to beat back the attackers.
With the station back on the air, the men now speaking are wild .... The men on air identify the attackers as thugs brought in by three “camionetas”, about 25 “paramilitares” carrying “cartuchos”. The arms are the type used only by the military, that is, high powered automatic weapons.

Nobody was shot. .....

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/story/2006/7/23/21854/1627
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:32 PM
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23. Paramilitaries....... Doesn't sound good, does it?
They must realize it could get very ugly by now. So many people are invested in this bogus election, going all the way to Washington.

Thank you for posting this article.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 10:40 PM
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24. The 2006 Election = OPEN MIKE Citizens Denounced Electoral Fraud
Edited on Mon Jul-24-06 10:48 PM by L. Coyote
This is the radio station that broadcast the call-ins about election fraud. It is also the station that was recently occupied and taken over by teachers during the strike, when a state assault dismantled their radio station. That strike is over, and the station is back in the hands of the students and University.

Oaxaca Voters Punish the PRI
Citizens Denounce Electoral Fraud In a Show of Democracy from Below
By Nancy Davies

http://www.narconews.com/Issue42/article1958.html

"Why was this election in Oaxaca different from all other elections? For one thing, the students at Radio Universidad, the station of the Benito Juarez Autonomous University of Oaxaca (UABJO in its Spanish initials) opened their phone lines for citizens to call in with accusations of electoral fraud throughout Election Day.

"I monitored during one hour, from 2:15 to 3:15 P.M.. In that time eleven citizen calls from different areas of greater Oaxaca City were aired. Three reported that there were no ballots available: voters had been waiting three hours, six hours and seven hours, respectively. One caller said her credentials for voting were rejected. Four calls reported that the ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) was handing out food and staples in exchange for votes. One reported that in the town of Zaachila nobody marked off names of those who had already voted. ...."

Sounds like Ohio 2004, everything except in Ohio they didn't buy poor and hungry votes with food.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-24-06 11:16 PM
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25. Online: Radio Universidad de Oaxaca
Universidad Autónoma Benito Juárez de Oaxaca
XEUBJ Radio Universidad de Oaxaca.

Para poder escuchar Radio Universidad ... translation: to be able to listen....

http://www.uabjo.mx/radio/radioOnLine.php

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:42 AM
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29. Kick ass people! Don't let them take your democracy!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:05 AM
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30. Una patada (one kick) n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:58 AM
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32. y un otra!
:kick:
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Acadia Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:13 AM
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31. Another Right Wing hit by Mexico's corrupt fascist leaders. GW wants
the USA to be like Mexico and the republicans are working hard to make this happen.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 12:15 PM
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33. Finding news on the status of the recount is almost IMPOSSIBLE.
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 12:19 PM by Judi Lynn
Finally located this article after searching for hours:
Calderon rejects leftist's call for Mexico recount

8:29 p.m. July 24, 2006

MEXICO CITY – The conservative winner of Mexico's disputed election rejected his rival's call Monday that he endorse a vote-by-vote recount and said there was no evidence of the widespread fraud claimed by the leftist.
Felipe Calderon, who won the July 2 vote by a hair's breadth, refused Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador's plea that he also press for a recount.

Lopez Obrador, a fiery left-winger, claims vote tallies were rigged in the July 2 election to help the ruling party's candidate, and he wrote Calderon a letter saying that if Calderon agreed to a new count, he would abide by the result.

The decision to order a recount can only be made by the electoral court, which is examining Lopez Obrador's fraud allegations. But he argues that if Calderon were confident the election was clean, he would push for a recount.

“If you pronounce yourself in favor of a recount of all the votes and the electoral court orders this step, then I offer a promise to accept the results, if they favor you, and not to call more protests,” Lopez Obrador wrote.

“In the same way, you would have to accept the court's ruling if I end up winning in the recount,” he said in the letter, printed on his Party of the Democratic Revolution's letterhead bearing a beaming Lopez Obrador giving the thumbs up.
(snip/...)
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20060724-2029-mexico-election.html

On edit:You have to wonder why there's a news blackout here on Mexico's pResidential Bush-supported candidate's election status!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 12:07 PM
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34. Internet offers radio stations in Mexco. Listen to Belize (English).
Unfortunately, there are no English stations there. However, they speak English in Belize....

Here are the Belize radio stations:

http://radiostationworld.com/Locations/Belize/radio_websites.asp

And the news links:

http://www.belizeweb.com/news-and-weather.htm
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